ATTN: Dev/Comm. Rep -Relic & Mythic Weapons Reborn {Yes, Please}- レリックとミシックの強化

[Taint2]

90 Amano is slightly better or slightly worse depending on what you're fighting, but it's safe to say they're pretty much the same.

and the only empyreans that are better then relics and mythics are great axe, katana, h2h, bow and sword. so 5 out of 14? weapons. OH NO GUIZ EMPYREANS ARE OVERPOWERED

Amano is not beating Masa. ODD, 15str, and a WS with not only a higher base ftp but also one that scales with tp gain.

Emp ODD tips the scale on almost every weapon.

[Sama]

Please provide update info Moogle~

Either tell us wait more or no buff; just tell us something please~~~~~~~~~~~

[Kiba]

Please provide update info Moogle~

Either tell us wait more or no buff; just tell us something please~~~~~~~~~~~

Yes, it was so nice to finally check the dev tracker and see something related to relic and mythic weapons. Now if we can get an update on when the implementation of adjustments is planned it would be very much appreciated Community Devs & Development Team

[Coldbrand]

We are aware that there currently exists a major difference between the strength of Empyrean weapons and that of Relic and Mythic weapons.

In regards to that balance issue, we are planning to make adjustments. We plan to create a higher level of balance by strengthening both Relic and Mythic weapons instead of simply weakening Empyrean weapons.

Along with that, we are also planning to make adjustments to both the time and cost required to create and strengthen Relic and Mythic weapons. Eventually, we would like to even out the differences in the amount of time required to create and strengthen these weapons.

Hey Gildrein I'm wondering if I can get an answer as to whether or not certain Empyrean weapons which are lacking will also see buffs, or at least certain Empyrean WSs? I know Camate said WSs are being rebalanced, can you give us an idea of when, and will you be looking at some of the EMP WS that trail behind? (Camlann's Torment)

(Not to mention the OaT Lance beats out the freaking Empyrean (--; )

[Malacite]

Does it really? Even with aftermath and the difference in base D?

Also, I'm not seeing how Mandau beats Twasthar, at least for a THF anyway - Yes, Rudra's pretty much requires either SA or TA behind it, but otherwise it's quite nasty and again, aftermath dramatically tips the scales towards Empyreans.

Same deal with Annihilator - how the heck does it win over Amrageddon exactly? It only has 1 more base damage, and from what I've read Wildfire is capable of some truly horrific damage, especially with a Brew lol (I've heard reports of 70k+ dmg with brew)

No, the only relics that are "better" are Mjollnir & Mandau (RDM & BRD only) really. Aegis is situationally useful for PLD against mobs that spam a lot of magic, but otherwise Ochain beats it pretty hard with its absurd block rate & dmg reduction. Gjallar loses out as well at 90 due to the 3rd song, especially during soul voice. The gap's only going to widen if & when BRD gets a 3rd march song.

Apocalypse you can kind of make an argument for, I guess, since that 10 haste aftermath is kinda nice but in all honesty the recent gear we've gotten lately makes it a moot point. The gap isn't quite as wide with some of the weapons, but it's still undeniable that Empyreans > Relics, and most of the mythics save for a few of the really nice utility ones (Yagrush, Kenkon etc)

[Coldbrand]

The point is you're not supposed to be using Drakesbane anymore once you have the Rhongomiant. Otherwise it's just like some deranged Ryunohige wannabe'. It's not different than the fact that it's wrong that I'm sure Gungnir users still use Drakesbane too. You know who should be using Drakesbane? Ryunohige owners.

Also, since you seem to think that universally all Empyreans are better, you should know that Ryunohige handily beats out all the alternatives for Dragoon. So please don't act like my post is wrong without knowing the math.

I really would appreciate a CM response.

PS: Not looking for a crit ws nerf (I really hope that isn't happening), just wondering if the devs are aware that some Empyreans lag behind too. And that Relic and Empyrean Lance owners don't use their relic and empyrean WSs (except for aftermath in Rhongomiant's case.)

[Dart]

The point is you're not supposed to be using Drakesbane anymore once you have the Rhongomiant. Otherwise it's just like some deranged Ryunohige wannabe'. It's not different than the fact that it's wrong that I'm sure Gungnir users still use Drakesbane too. You know who should be using Drakesbane? Ryunohige owners.

Also, since you seem to think that universally all Empyreans are better, you should know that Ryunohige handily beats out all the alternatives for Dragoon. So please don't act like my post is wrong without knowing the math.

I really would appreciate a CM response.

PS: Not looking for a crit ws nerf (I really hope that isn't happening), just wondering if the devs are aware that some Empyreans lag behind too. And that Relic and Empyrean Lance owners don't use their relic and empyrean WSs (except for aftermath in Rhongomiant's case.)

this is true if you only use torment, the more drakes you can get in and still keep AM up, the more empy lance pulls ahead.

also drg has absolutely nothing to complain about. Do mythic lance and enjoy the only weapon that can compete with ukon from a math perspective.

[Kiba]

Camate I just read your response to the Abyssea VNM Congestion issue

Sorry for the late response on this topic!

Would it be possible if we can have the same courtesy on an update on this implementation? When we can expect adjustments to relic and mythic weapons to take place. Thank you thank you.

[Coldbrand]

What's so hard to understand about the point that if you make a lance that has a unique WS to the lance and it took you countless hours to make (don't bother dickwaving, I don't care how fast you made yours if you did) then you shouldn't just keep using the same exact WS you had before you made it? Or for any other emp/relic weapon for that matter.

[Atomic_Skull]

What's so hard to understand about the point that if you make a lance that has a unique WS to the lance and it took you countless hours to make (don't bother dickwaving, I don't care how fast you made yours if you did) then you shouldn't just keep using the same exact WS you had before you made it? Or for any other emp/relic weapon for that matter.

Hi I'm a Mandau THF welcome to my world.

Oh wait no, its not my world because Drakesbane is one of the strongest WS in the game inside Abyssea or outside it while Evisceration is merely "ok", and only in Abyssea while outside it's substandard.