ATTN: Dev/Comm. Rep -Relic & Mythic Weapons Reborn {Yes, Please}- レリックとミシックの強化

[Zyeriis]

Actually, I believe Relic and Mythic GKT are pretty close. I think relic gun is actually better than empy for RNG, Not sure about Bow but SAM can use bow as well so thats a use.

As for as Scythe, not sure since DRK is generally a dead job anyways.

From what ive heard, people make a big deal but only H2H, Gaxe, Katana, Sword ( im pretty sure) and gun for COR are better then their relics.

Last I checked there wasn't a relic weapon for Corsair. Just a Mythic and an Emp. There is a relic gun but, suffice to say, it's RNG only.

[Atomic_Skull]

Mandau is better than Twastar if you're just spamming Evisceration but Rudra's Storm stomps all over Mercy Stroke when stacked with SA or TA.

One thing I don't understand is how Blade: Hi can out damage a stacked Mercy Stroke from lvl 90 Mandau.

Mercy Stroke stacked on Sneak Attack is a critical hit with an fTP of 3.75 on a weapon damage of over 200 if you have a good DEX/STR set and RR (SA adds your DEX to your weapon's DMG for that one hit)

Blade: Hi is fTP 4.0 AGI 60% on a DMG 53 weapon.


So why does Blade: Hi consistently out damage a SA'ed Mercy Stroke by a large margin?


One theory I've heard floated is that empyrean WS ignore level difference in the same manner as Y/G/K i.e. they have a bonus to cRatio. After seeing them do basically the exact same damage on everything from EP to HNMs I'm starting to believe that this is the explanation.

[Kimble]

Last I checked there wasn't a relic weapon for Corsair. Just a Mythic and an Emp. There is a relic gun but, suffice to say, it's RNG only.

Yeah, sure im didnt word it right, but I meant that relic gun is better than empy for RNG., buts great for cor.

[Toren]

Depends on what area, earlier I mentioned there are Relics that are superior outside of Abyssea the 90 Amanomurakumo, Spharai, Annilihator, Mjollnir can beat their Empryean counter parts in a parse. Its also safe to say Relics are also easier to come by now as I know people who are farming a average of 200~300 coins every day with just a group of 4~6 people.

Edit: Outside of Relics the 90 Ryunohige will destroy the 90 Rhongomiant.

[Bumbeen]

Spharai are not better than verethragna anywhere. Same for amano, although amano is much closer to masa than spharai is to vere.

[wish12oz]

Spharai are not better than verethragna anywhere. Same for amano, although amano is much closer to masa than spharai is to vere.

90 Amano is slightly better or slightly worse depending on what you're fighting, but it's safe to say they're pretty much the same.

and the only empyreans that are better then relics and mythics are great axe, katana, h2h, bow and sword. so 5 out of 14? weapons. OH NO GUIZ EMPYREANS ARE OVERPOWERED

[Sparthos]

Bow is debatable. Ranger is w/e atm.

You get a superior WS on Gandiva but it's superiority and RNGs lack of survivability means you'll likely be eating floor reducing your DPS to tatters. Great for making fireworks though.

Yoichi gets a beefed up Namas which isn't quite Jishnu's but delays your inevitable trip to the ground. Obviously using Barrage can be a quick death sentence but in terms of complementing RNG, the relic options are superior to the Empyreans.

H2H, Katana and Gaxe are better examples of weapons where the Emps totally trash the Relics on all fronts.

[Auredant]

That is like saying sky is good and so much to do because it has 5 zones, no its one event, same princaple, its like saying there is so much to do in dyna because there is 8 zones, things drop, you get items to +1 them.

dyna is one event, abyssea is one event, einherjar is one event (10 zones), limbus is one event ( lost count) and so on.

abyssea is the first time ever we ran into one event outdating everything, doing one thing is boring. abyssea was a nice change yes but it should not be the only thing to do. (even exp for lower levels)

abyssea is also the first time you got exp while farming for gear, abyssea changed FFXI more then you realize i think.

It's the only thing to do if you let it be...i still regularly enjoy doing limbus...also do sky and sea on occasion...will prolly look into doing salvage again soon as well.

[Bumbeen]

OH NO GUIZ EMPYREANS ARE OVERPOWERED

You are correct!


edit: also to be clear y/g/k do not ignore level diffference, they have an attack bonus. Or they ignore some % of defense if you want to word it like that.

[DrStrangelove]

Depends on what area, earlier I mentioned there are Relics that are superior outside of Abyssea the 90 Amanomurakumo, Spharai, Annilihator, Mjollnir can beat their Empryean counter parts in a parse. Its also safe to say Relics are also easier to come by now as I know people who are farming a average of 200~300 coins every day with just a group of 4~6 people.

Edit: Outside of Relics the 90 Ryunohige will destroy the 90 Rhongomiant.

See post above mine, but just to chime in, Motenten did detailed calculations on H2h and Spharai loses by 10%+ ouside Abyssea and around 35%+ in Abyssea,

As far as gun is concerned, relic vs empyrean look similar stat-wise but here it ends. Outside abyssea, the extra DD aftermath from Armageddon blows away the +ratt and +racc on Annihilator, but worse still is that not only does Wildfire have an ftp advantage (5.5 to 3.0), but it is elemental not physical thus both reducing the damage reduction. Also note that it gives one the option to add more damage in ear slots and main weapon slots for magic attack bonuses which dwarfs the benefits coronach gains. In Abyssea where one can use +50 MAB atmas x2, it's purely obscene. (Unless you haven't seen it, brewed wildfires easily can hit 50,000+ damage. Nope, brewed coronach's don't come close.)

The same analysis can be done across most of the weapons, and as I mentioned earlier, mythics are even more in need of an upgrade.

This is really not a close issue IMO. Empyreans simply do much more damage and are much much easier to get. Had they been introduced first, there would likely not have been more than 50 relics and mythics ever made.