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    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    Actually, I generally see PUPs busting out 3k stringing pummels like it's their jobs, their pets just add backup damage that doesn't compare to their owners.
    If their pets aren't also busting out 2-4k weapon skills or nukes, then they're doing something wrong. The automaton doesn't just add "backup damage." For most players, it should be 35-50% of your damage (race affects this somewhat, with Taru having more of the damage come from the pet and galka/elvaan having more of the damage come from the master)

    Also, Victory Smite > Stringing Pummel.
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    So because BST and PUP pets do more damage than DRG wyverns, DRG wyverns can't be considered pet jobs?
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    RIP Shadowix 75 DRG-WAR-DRK

  3. #33
    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dauntless View Post
    So because BST and PUP pets do more damage than DRG wyverns, DRG wyverns can't be considered pet jobs?
    As someone else said so eloquently: It's not a Pet Job, it's a Job with a Pet.

    The pet is not the focal point of the job, it is simply there as a sidekick and to augment things the master does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runespider View Post
    atmas arent buffs?
    Primeval Brew would like to laugh at you. Is that ok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmer View Post
    I'd really hate to see the melee DDs you kill NMs with then if you feel they can be replaced by a jug pet.
    I said the majority of melee dds, not people I do stuff with. You'd be surprised at the amount of incompetence and bad gear choice in most pickup exp alliances or seal runs. I stand by my earlier statement that i'd choose a jug pet over some random dd until they prove me otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    As someone else said so eloquently: It's not a Pet Job, it's a Job with a Pet.

    The pet is not the focal point of the job, it is simply there as a sidekick and to augment things the master does.
    Pet job is the term for all jobs with a pet. Just how healing jobs are jobs with healing skills, not necessarily limited to only White Mage. (Even if White Mage currrently is the only acceptable main healer)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malamasala View Post
    Pet job is the term for all jobs with a pet. Just how healing jobs are jobs with healing skills, not necessarily limited to only White Mage. (Even if White Mage currrently is the only acceptable main healer)
    So paladin is a healing job even though no one would ever use one as a main healer ever? And Dark Knights are nukers too right? Also WHMs RDMs are melee jobs because they WHM has Hexa Strike, RDM has Enspells. Clearly we should make a WHM(tank it has flash yo) WHM(DD) RDM BRD PLD DRK pt with the WHM and RDM SCing the DRK MBing and the PLD main healing. No, that's stupid, just because a job is CAPABLE of something doesn't mean its good at or should pretend to be good at those things. When people say healing job they're referring to WHM RDM SCH or SMN despite the fact SMN doesn't actually have native cures while PLD does. At what point does something become a "healing job" or a "nuking job"? I think anyone would agree that its not just the ability to do something but also a level of competency at it that determines a jobs role.
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    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    Pet job is the term for all jobs with a pet.
    As the above poster illustrated, no, it's not just the term for all jobs with a pet. Paladin isn't a healer because it has cures- it's a tank because that's what it was built to do. DRG doesn't and can't do many of the things all other pet jobs can do. Until the last major update, they couldn't even tell their pet to do anything other than go away. The wyvern isn't a pet, it's a sidekick.

    However, I would sound a note of caution at reading his post, because some of thsoe jobs CAN be decent to good at the listed things if people put forth the required effort in them. A DRG can never do the things that the other jobs with pets can do - pet pull, pet kite, do good damage with the pet, etc.

    (WHM and also SMN can actually fight a decent fight- but you need specialized gear for it, most of it isn't just something you can just buy or get easily)
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    Last edited by Alhanelem; 06-06-2011 at 01:43 AM.

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    I know WHM can tank decently and go melee(I'm friends with a Mjollner one) and PLD can easily get a better cure set than a SMN with comparable MP at the cost of BP Wards. I was just illustrating a ridiculous party set up that could potentially happen despite the fact that with proper investment all the jobs except DRK(only because it lacks high-tier nukes) can actually do the roles I gave them somewhat well you aren't going to ask a random WHM off the streets of Jeuno to come tank Vrtra or zerg Absolute Virtue because chances are they haven't gone out of the way to get the gear needed to do that.

    Still, you're never going to find a DRG who can use their wyvern in a manner that is even close to how BST, SMN, PUP can use their respective pets. First off, wyverns are about as bulky as paper airplanes. Second, there just isn't the gear or JA support for them. Until DRG got its 2 pet commands at 90, it had as much control over its wyvern as a BRD has over a Virelai'd monster.
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