HQ king triggers

[HFX7686]

1/4 KB triggers dropped on TH7-9 off Behemoth for my group.

Not a good drop rate at all.

[Nynja]

What exactly are you trying to measure? Drop rate or drop rate under TH effects?

If someones foolish enough to fight these without attempting to stack TH, then they're flat out retarded...

[Raksha]

brah, you so cool, you come in here with your small sample size, and discount anyone that says your wrong, refusing to put your seals where your mouth is, disregarding scientific method for your own convoluted ways

You do realize he is keeping track of them separately also, right?

ps, you do know that if you would have gotten that drop rate first, you never would have started this because "OMG 30% DROP RATE" remember way back when, when you said 25% would be great

The only drop rate anywhere close to that is the aspid one, which has the lowest sample size. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but every post you make leads me to believe that you lack a fundamental understanding of just about anything.

We are aggregating drop rates, it's a work in progress. We realize the sample sizes are too low, we are constantly updating them. Get off our nutsacks and let us present our data.

[Sureal]

hows about you get data BEFORE you present it, thats generally how things work, just saying

[Catsby]

hows about you get data BEFORE you present it, thats generally how things work, just saying

Pretty much. Test still isn't internally valid.

[Sureal]

true, presenting this as a work in progress has no problems persay but that is not how this was presented, it was presented at "this is the way it is, i have only done a small number but i can assume that my drop rate is accurate"

this thread was made to complain about a drop rate that was not yet known, and is still not known

[Catsby]

Whatever. I ain't even mad.

I only started posting in this thread because the OP was complaints without solid grounds for them. As long as he/she keeps getting more people's support that's great. My only concern is that he/she is trying to narrow in on supposed drop rates without knowing how much each increment in treasure hunter affects it and more importantly whether treasure hunter affects it at all.

[Nynja]

hows about you get data BEFORE you present it, thats generally how things work, just saying

Pretty much. Test still isn't internally valid.

You're both inept...clinging onto ONE argument over and over. SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES

However, since the galka edited his post after I replied, I missed this gem

refusing to put your seals where your mouth is

I already stated these fights cost 99KS, and I've already demonstrated the math of how long it would take 1 person solo to get sufficient KS to initiate another fight (1 seal per 5 min, presumed even distribution of 50% between kindred and beastmen, 990 minutes or 16.5 hours...and if you go "well just team up duh pfft stupid", theres still only so many mobs available). Believe it or not, I actually DO have a job, and actually do enjoy attempting to have a social life, so spending every awake moment (sleep 7.5 hours, farm 16.5 hours, dont eat dont shower dont piss dont work dont pay for internet nor ffxi...) farming colibris for kindred seals for the next year just to satisfy your primal urge for a sample size of 500...not gonna happen.

From a statistical standpoint, sure, chant SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES SAMPLE SIZES allllllllllllll you want. From a logical standpoint, theres a pattern I see, a ridiculously low drop rate considering what you need to start it up. Yeah, I would have been happy with 25% drop rate, HQ kings open on day 3, and contrary to your "they usually take 2 weeks to spawn", they usually spawn by day 6-7. But the difference between a 25% drop rate, and the 10% drop rate were seeing is an average of 396 seals per spawn and 990 seals per spawn. Your AVERAGE player probably wont amass more than 1500 KS in their playing career, but they probably also used a bunch in the past 7 years on KS30 and on KS99's when were first introduced and had big money. Seeing as how the game is basically Abyssea Fantasy XI now, and kindred seals dont drop there (or very very rarely)...the only way you're going to get seals now is by attempting to farm them, instead of previous method during FFXI of getting them while you xp. However, where people opt to xp/merit is not SE's problem in this case.


As to that gem of a quote I forgot to emphasize on. I had 11 KS99 worth of seals on my main, and 2 each on my 2 mules. Would that satisfy your urges for a sample size? thats only 15, FIFTEEN. That's a mockery of your desire for sample size. Since the addition of the triggered kings NM's, I'm down to 0 attempts on both my mules, and 5 on my main. So even if I "put my seals where my mouth is", you'd still whine about my sample size.

inb4 "just make 3 parties with your 2 mules"

[Catsby]

Christ dude, calm down. If anything we are trying to help. This isn't something you can easily do in a week or even a month unless you managed to find a ton of people to help. You just need to make sure everyone who does help knows what you want them to do. Are they testing with or without treasure hunter? if it is with treasure hunter then how much?

edit: validity of tests isn't simply your sample size.

[Sureal]

i never said they usually take 2 weeks to spawn, i said that was the longest that i had seen


and just because you are unable (and im not saying this in a bad way, because you are right, ks's do take a while to farm) does not justify lower sample size


and yes, i will chant sample size until i die, because THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES TO GET A CORRECT ANSWER