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    Quote Originally Posted by Sureal View Post
    lol, no i could care less about his "wasted" ks, what i care about his him complaining about a drop rate that he does not have sufficient information about yet
    Then use YOUR ks and help my sample size if its not sufficient, because you seem to think getting a sample size of 1000 is ohhhhh so easy. Put up or shut up.

    Oh, updated drop rate is now 10/78, 12.8%. It just keeps going down...
    Heres what people have posted on the wiki:
    Behemoth (3/26) 11.5%
    Adamantoise n/a (the item just isnt listed on the adamantoise page lol, no one cares about aspi)
    Fafnir (1/32) 3.1%

    That Fafnir one looks ugly, but I checked the update history, and none of them look like vandalism attempts, the editors who posted big jumps all have contributed elsewhere.

    Fafnir: Duzell-Levi 0/5, MasterEx 0/11, Mitsukai-Hawke 0/5, Dewzedo 1/10, Zatias 0/1
    Behemoth: Sixo 0/4, Duzell-Levi 1/3, Zirael.Ragnarok 1/3, Kutsurabi 1/13

    Since none of those people have contributed to my previous sample size, I'll allow it! Which puts the drop rate at 14/136, 10.2%
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    Last edited by Nynja; 05-28-2011 at 12:51 AM.

  2. #32
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    im not saying it will be easy, but if you want the correct answer (which you obviously do not) it is necessary


    and fyi, im seeing a fairly large discrepensy with drop rates, showing aspid pop item to be worst, but that doesnt matter at all does it, i mean they are all the same right, oh wait.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sureal View Post
    im not saying it will be easy, but if you want the correct answer (which you obviously do not) it is necessary


    and fyi, im seeing a fairly large discrepensy with drop rates, showing aspid pop item to be worst, but that doesnt matter at all does it, i mean they are all the same right, oh wait.....
    Probably because aspid has the lowest sample size. You haven't forgotten about sample size have you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sureal View Post
    and fyi, im seeing a fairly large discrepensy with drop rates, showing aspid pop item to be worst, but that doesnt matter at all does it, i mean they are all the same right, oh wait.....
    Sample Sizes brah

    wait, what the heck are you talking about? Are you smoking something?
    Me: 2/6, Gwynplaine: 5/10, Karb: 0/3

    That's 7/19, which is the best reported drop rate of over 35%.

    Fafnir:
    Me: 0/3 BG: 0/3, Rak 1/8, Karb 1/3, Wiki 1/32
    3/49 6%

    Behemoth:
    Me: 0/4, BG: 0/3, Rak 1/8, Karb 0/4, Saca 0/8, Wiki 3/26
    4/53 7.5%
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    Last edited by Nynja; 05-28-2011 at 10:45 AM.

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    brah, you so cool, you come in here with your small sample size, and discount anyone that says your wrong, refusing to put your seals where your mouth is, disregarding scientific method for your own convoluted ways


    can i one day grow up to be as cool as you, i know its a stretch, and i would have to huff a lot of paint, but i think i can do it


    ps, you do know that if you would have gotten that drop rate first, you never would have started this because "OMG 30% DROP RATE" remember way back when, when you said 25% would be great
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    Last edited by Sureal; 05-28-2011 at 10:46 AM.
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    Seriously, is that your argument? "SAMPLE SIZE SAMPLE SIZE GET MORE SAMPLE SIZE". Theres one other person who clings to that argument as much as you are, and his name is Pchan. Well I guess two if you include catsby.

    As I've said, if you want to say that our "sample size" is just bad luck, feel free to donate your seals and your friends seals and show that its just bad luck on our end. I've got sufficient confidence in this sample size to believe its not just bad luck, because its not just me reporting garbage drop rates. If you want a bigger sample size, feed me data.


    I went 2/6 on Aspi pop item, and Gwynplaine went "4 or 5 on 10". But he also went 0/10 on KB...and described the Aspi drop rate as "decent". I've added the Red Pondweed to the adaman page, hopefully some people will post their drop rates as well.
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    Last edited by Nynja; 05-28-2011 at 10:52 AM.

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    all im saying, is that you are trying to first, combine all the drops together, which you cannot do to get an accurate picture of the drop rate

    secondly, do not say, "oh i got 0/10, drop rate sucks" you can complain that im not spending my seals to see, guess what i dont have many seals, but i do have an orb that will be used on wyrm, when my ls gets around to it, ill let you know how it goes


    as much as you may want to complain about it, THE ONLY WAY TO GET A GOOD PICTURE OF THE DROP RATE IS TO GET A LARGER SAMPLE SIZE, and no 4 or 5 out of 10 does not work, need actual working good counts, get me 100 counts from FAFNIR ALONE, do not mix them together, and then ill start to take your argument seriously, until then, no you have no argument
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    What exactly are you trying to measure? Drop rate or drop rate under TH effects?
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    I see some of you(catsby, sureal) skipped the statistics day in math class.
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    1.96*SQRT((3/22)*(19/22)/22) = 14.3%

    So we can be 95% sure that the drop rate is between 0 and 28%.

    Considering that pop rate used to be about 20-25% per day after window opened (even distribution, iirc). Now you have to do a little work, but you might be getting about that high a pop rate per NQ kill.

    No Math Version: STOP WHINING. START WINING! (honey wine, that is!)
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