KI-popped-NM Stealing

[Eeek]

No, it implies there are more asshats from america, on average.

No, it implies that anyone who believes that all Americans are jerks and all JPs are saints need to turn off the computer, take down their anime posters, step outside their house, and join the real f**king world.

[blowfin]

No, it implies that anyone who believes that all Americans are jerks and all JPs are saints need to turn off the computer, take down their anime posters, step outside their house, and join the real f**king world.

I don't think that's what was said, but don't let me or rationality stop you from being extremely creative and taking personal swipes at people.

[Greatguardian]

No, it implies that anyone who believes that all Americans are jerks and all JPs are saints need to turn off the computer, take down their anime posters, step outside their house, and join the real f**king world.

This ^. JP players, EU players, NA players, it makes no difference at all. You may only see more NA asshats because you actually speak the language. If you could read moonspeak you'd see just as much asshattery there too.

Personally, I'm able to cooperate a lot more readily with NA groups specifically because we can speak the same language. The auto-translate function is nice, but a good deal of people (from every country) refuse to use it or respond to it. It is also impossible to expand the auto-translate dictionary right now so any phrases that are not present will not be added later. When people don't speak the same language, they are less likely to put forth the effort to try and negotiate with one another.

Likewise, full-of-crap generalizations like the ones demonstrated on the last page also work against us. I've been told by bilingual JP players I know that, often times, they expect NA players to be assholes to them so they won't even bother attempting to negotiate and will go straight to competing. Likewise, many NA players I know on my server believe that our JP population are assholes and will thus assume that they will have no interest in negotiating and cooperating.

People are people. Internet culture is internet culture no matter where you're from. I'm not being P-C, I'm being real. To honestly think that more Americans are assholes, or more JPs are "nice", is just deluded. Though, to be fair, a low sample size probably doesn't help people's perceptions. NAs get a lot more exposure to the NA playerbase, and vice versa. Familiarity breeds contempt. That's pretty much all it comes down to.

[svengalis]

Placing the blame on American players only is bias and untrue.

Even saying "majority" still implies "more than average" which is also very untrue.

Its a mixture of people who do it. You only see one type because that one type are generally online when you are online. I'm very sure that Chinese, Australian, French, British, and Latin American players have also "stole" mobs from other players. Placing the blame on the "majority" of American implies that all American players are bad players.

No it is not. I play during both peek times so I know what I am talking about.

[Greatguardian]

The plural of anecdote is not data.

[svengalis]

No, it implies that anyone who believes that all Americans are jerks and all JPs are saints need to turn off the computer, take down their anime posters, step outside their house, and join the real f**king world.

I didn't say all I said a lot. Actually I don't think I have ever seen a Japanese person do it. Not saying they don't do it just that I have never seen it.

[blowfin]

No it is not. I play during both peek times so I know what I am talking about.

Same boat here, 6 years of playing in JP prime and 2 years of playing in NA prime I can conclusively say the NA population is prone to more asshattery. At least on my server, mileage may vary.

Going as far to say that certain nationalities are more prone to vulture your NM's though... well that might be a bit of a stretch.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

Witty comebacks don't change people's experiences.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Your experience doesn't change it from being an anecdote.

[Greatguardian]

And just because it is witty does not make it less true.

Like I said previously, on my server I've had significantly more poor experiences with the JP playerbase than NA. I'm simply not ignorant enough to draw conclusions about a 500,000 player population based on my personal experiences.

[blowfin]

Your experience doesn't change it from being an anecdote.

Sorry I should have rephrased that. 6 years of playing in JP prime and all of about 2 weeks of playing in NA prime made it pretty clear.

As I said though, maybe it's based on server, but the NA population on Shivzander certainly don't do any favors to dispel the notion that american's are loud, pushy and aggressive.