Sentinel VS Last Resort

[Himrik]

Hello,

Looking at the last update, i thought of a way to really increase PLD's effectiveness at tanking without changing his role.
Since Last Resort got an increased duration, why couldn't Sentinel be given the same upgrade ?
Think about it: Enmity+100, PDT-90% decaying over time, and Guardian, for a full 3-minutes time.

PLD's role has always been to tank with it's JA, and this will follow the same path. No uber-DD capabilities needed, or new effects that we'll never see anywhere in the game, only increasing an existing ability.

The question is "Will it be usefull in Abbysea, where any DD can tank ?"
Any DD can tank, providing there's a full time healer covering their back. But what if PLD can survive long fights without the help of a WHM ?

There would be parties revolving around a DD+WHM combo, and parties revolving around a PLD.

This way, no job is necessary, but all are usefull.

Please SE, hear my pledge

[Zagen]

Sounds potentially broken but if the decay is fairly quick still I think it would be ok.

The question is "Will it be usefull in Abbysea, where any DD can tank ?"
Any DD can tank, providing there's a full time healer covering their back. But what if PLD can survive long fights without the help of a WHM ?

The problem isn't the damage taken it is the damage dealt. A DD tank will kill a NM faster than a PLD. The DD can hold back when needed to make a monster live longer. A PLD can't do that because they don't deal damage in the same range as the DD.

For example currently the "best" job at not taking damage in the game is a BST, well the BST's pet since it can currently achieve -100%PDT. How often has a BST pet tanked mobs for your group?

[Himrik]

Indeed a DD will kill faster than a PLD, but 5 DD and 1 WHM won't kill faster than 5 DD and 1 PLD.
It takes a DD and a healer to hold hate and survive. If a PLD can do this by himself, it will be very efficient for low-man groups or against NM without many AoE moves.

[Greatguardian]

5 DD and a WHM will kill faster than 5 DD and a PLD.

Paladin can't cast Haste.

Zing.

[Zagen]

5 DD and a WHM will kill faster than 5 DD and a PLD.

Paladin can't cast Haste.

Zing.

PLD/WHM can! the new butter sheep! >.>

[Laciante]

lol, but then it won't have Provoke

[Judge]

pld doesnt need voke to tank lol

regarding OP.. i agree it would be helpful for soloing and withstanding bigger NM's. but ppl wont like to use pld still for the simple mindedness that bigger dmg is better tanking.
pumping up sentinel however would mean that pld could use more DD oriented accessories and join the DD's more often with the bloodlust and WS spam

[Zagen]

When PLD was used for tanking it didn't need Provoke to keep hate, PLD/NIN says hi.

pumping up sentinel however would mean that pld could use more DD oriented accessories and join the DD's more often with the bloodlust and WS spam

What DD oriented accessories wouldn't you use on PLD?
I ask because the only way my PLD has performed in any respectable manner has been to gear with DD items not "turtle" items. Not counting macro swaps for PDT/MDT/MDB obviously.

[Defiledsickness]

Pld can hold hate with RR and enough defensive gear to not take dmg. /nin and wearing gear that reduces hate lost with dmg you can tank decently. add an almace and ur good ^^

however it requires work from the pld and the DD to make sure you keep hate. but xp parties required Drk/Sam/Blu to be careful before abyssea so they didnt steal the hate. i never see Thf's SATA plds in abyssea either...

to the OP sentinel definitely needs this boost. Fan Dance pretty much mops sentinel up only sentinel increases enmity.

[Zagen]

however it requires work from the pld and the DD to make sure you keep hate. but xp parties required Drk/Sam/Blu to be careful before abyssea so they didnt steal the hate. i never see Thf's SATA plds in abyssea either...

Probably because even after TAing a 3k WS the THF will be tanking in the next 5-10 seconds assuming they're both capped on hate, so it still keeps the THF tanking or any DD recapping hate faster than a PLD can.

My NIN can do almost as much damage as my friend's THF when we kill Briareus but most of the time it locks on him longer than me, Triple Attack Merits + Atmas + Haste + Haste Sambas are hard to compete with but then again I wouldn't have it any other way, I'm only NIN/DNC to keep the TP gain manageable and to stun all TP moves.

DDs don't need to hold back anymore because there is no need, aside from Ochain PLD they take just about the same amount of damage as a PLD, even a turtle PLD.