KI-popped-NM Stealing

[Sama]

Example: Whenever you see Cep-Kamuy ready Charmga, simply have your healer cast Flash or Dia on it so that they have claim on the monster. Then, when the melees are charmed, Cep will never go Yellow.

TL;DR, Suck Less.

Greatguardian you are right and I believe there are 10 thousand ways to do it also. Just take yours for example, your whm flash, he dies, then mob goes yellow and all the sudden someone took it, what would you do? You can buy pop item from AH for Cep-Kamuy that's no problem go ahead and take it, but for some other NM you needs lots time and manpower to get KIs.

Just like my previous post, the NM should at least remain claimed for a short period of time. The charming one is something else, tho.

[Greatguardian]

Greatguardian you are right and I believe there are 10 thousand ways to do it also. Just take yours for example, your whm flash, he dies, then mob goes yellow and all the sudden someone took it, what would you do? You can buy pop item from AH for Cep-Kamuy that's no problem go ahead and take it, but for some other NM you needs lots time and manpower to get KIs.

Just like my previous post, the NM should at least remain claimed for a short period of time. The charming one is something else, tho.

Brain fart, I meant Cirein-Croin. Cep doesn't charmga.

But if a WHM flashes and then dies, that's their own fault. WHMs are sturdier than melees anyways, and practically invincible in Abyssea. That's not the point of course, the point being that when the last person to act on the mob dies that the mob goes unclaimed. However, this is incredibly easy to avoid if people aren't being stupid.

And as I mentioned in the same post, the original party has a 2:1 advantage on re-claiming the monster as long as they are paying as much attention as the "stealing" party. No one should ever be anything less than alert when a body drops while fighting an NM anyways. Losing claim to inattentiveness is perfectly fair, and can happen to either side.

[blowfin]

Brain fart, I meant Cirein-Croin. Cep doesn't charmga.

You're lucky Khajit is your friend, or he'd postulate that you'd never done Abyssea before.

[Henihhi]

I am curious. What NM exactly takes a lot of manpower to get KIs from? Or hours to get a KI for that matter?

[Khajit]

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There actually anything even left to say on this topic that isn't a rehash of old info?

I am curious. What NM exactly takes a lot of manpower to get KIs from? Or hours to get a KI for that matter?

The only 2 possible mobs i can think of is that annoying ironclad in ulegrand if it isn't killed asap and the chariot with discoid but those aren't even an issue of time as much as manpower if you have improper jobs.

[Leonlionheart]

What about you, you never been on Asura either?

I was talking about old school system, not current one. Of course nobody would do that, that would be a major waste of time. What I did state was before the cap increase, and when Futchy was on Asura. Since he is currently not on Asura, and I was talking about stuff that had some merit prior to Abyssea, I figured you would put two and two together. Guess I overestimated you. Sorry, won't happen again.

You know what they say about people who just assume.

I was on Pandemonium forced onto Asura, and didn't play the endgame scene on Asura either so it's not like I had prior knowledge of the situation.

My point was that whole groups still /follow you around when you are fighting almost anything. Some servers it happens and you gotta live with it, some servers there's a 'honor code.'

[Korpg]

You know what they say about people who just assume.

I was on Pandemonium forced onto Asura, and didn't play the endgame scene on Asura either so it's not like I had prior knowledge of the situation.

My point was that whole groups still /follow you around when you are fighting almost anything. Some servers it happens and you gotta live with it, some servers there's a 'honor code.'

Wait, I'm confused.

You state that you know what went on prior to everything, then you admit that you don't. And you admit that people don't follow others around, but you just said here that people sometimes do?

What is your angle anyway?

[Leonlionheart]

Wait, I'm confused.

You state that you know what went on prior to everything, then you admit that you don't. And you admit that people don't follow others around, but you just said here that people sometimes do?

What is your angle anyway?

Maybe you have me confused with someone else... I knew it (NM stealing) has always happened, but I was never a part of it before Abyssea, on Asura anyway.

I sarcastically asked if you have ever been to Asura because NM stealing and /follow is so rampant on that server, while you were saying that only this "Futchy" did it. I doubt I would admit that people don't follow others around, because I take part in it on Asura in certain situations, and have had it happen to me often.

My "angle" is that I don't want it to change because it actually brings a reason to not suck and zombie everything to death.

[Korpg]

I sarcastically asked if you have ever been to Asura because NM stealing and /follow is so rampant on that server, while you were saying that only this "Futchy" did it. I doubt I would admit that people don't follow others around, because I take part in it on Asura in certain situations, and have had it happen to me often.

If you mean when people hang around after you are fighting a NM, and trying to steal your claim if it goes yellow, I think that happens everywhere, especially if that other group is going to fight the same mob you are currently fighting now.

What Futchy did was intentionally MPK entire shells just to steal their NM. He would have his entire shell in the middle of the fight area just to lag out people, and make it hard for the WHMs to cure the tank. He would also have his BRDs continue to cast songs just to make people get red dots. Which worked half the time. Which people GM him for, but they never do anything to him or his shell.

There is a difference between the two. I doubt that people actually /follow you to another pop. I think that is just your paranoia in action there.

[Swords]

The claim system is surely so deeply embedded in the game's code that it cannot be changed without drastic and unintended effects throughout the rest of the game.

Actually, that's probably easier to fix than one would think. SE used object oriented programming when developing this game meaning that the math variables and everything that configures hate and enmity is likely set off in it's own seperate file. Proving that SE had done this, changing the math that would configure hate should'nt be too hard. Even if it was something like, changing it to where the mob's hate will not drop below a certain level no matter how little hate is being generated, as long as some action or move is performed within 15seconds by someone on the mobs hate list (excluding death which still erases hate). While maybe not a total fix it would keep mobs from going unclaimed right away when using a hate erase move followed or proceeded by some form of potent paralyze, stun, or petrification.