Our solo in abyssea is over~

[Glamdring]

precisely, the issue was the holds, the "exploit" complaint was simply a way to disguise the hold complaint. Same thing happens with any other job that tries to solo, but they don't get complained at because the complainer relies on the same mechanism they would have to complain about to be able to solo it themselves. The next complaint won't be to get rid of evasion or regen atmas, it will simply be to get rid of Atma on pets altogether because the pets can hit harder than players. It has the added convenience that it doesn't even have to be true... and it allows my dnc to take the NM that your bst/pup/smn/drg no longer can!

It is for precisely this reason that I solo in Aby now with my bst or my pup even tho' my dnc or thf can do it just as well but without the expense of the jug/food/oil, to annoy the QQ. If it sounds like I don't care about their concerns... good, since that is precisely the message I'm trying to get across. I really need to work out a method to solo this crap on my bard, that'll prolly take 2-3 hours a kill...

[Aldersyde]

For most, waiting was never the issue, just playing your job with a little more skill than an almost invincible pet allowed. Bst is an awesome job but noobs using it in this way was really sadening, good bsts will still get their kills, just with a little more ability and knowledge than abusing a broken mechanic.

Really? You might want to go read Ilax's original post in the locked thread again. Waiting an hour for "his" nm seemed to be the primary motivation behind the post in the first place. General whining about 'noob' groups taking too long to kill nms on other ff forums is pretty consistent.

[Aldersyde]

Because its been tested to be about that already.

All it took away was the ability for gimp bsts to throw a pet at some mob and afk for an hour, like nearly everyone expected and wanted.

Good bsts are mostly unaffected.

On jugpets? You're going to have to provide a link to prove that.

[Khiinroye]

Here you go (clicky)

[Gotterdammerung]

Because its been tested to be about that already.

All it took away was the ability for gimp bsts to throw a pet at some mob and afk for an hour, like nearly everyone expected and wanted.

Good bsts are mostly unaffected.

You can still "afk kill" with ducal MC and stronghold. U keep acting like this is sumthing we did. Nobody AFK kills. Even if we can, we dont.

[Khiinroye]

Obviously some people did, though. Just because good bsts don't, doesn't mean that gimp bsts didn't.

Edit: All this update did was force the bottom tier of bsts to step up their game and learn the job better. I think everyone can agree this is a good thing.

[Glamdring]

Obviously some people did, though. Just because good bsts don't, doesn't mean that gimp bsts didn't.

Edit: All this update did was force the bottom tier of bsts to step up their game and learn the job better. I think everyone can agree this is a good thing.

actually, I prefer bad players to just die and delvl.... unfortunately XP is too easy for that to be an option.

[Aldersyde]

Here you go (clicky)

Cool, tyvm. Was there an update overnight? Or is there possibly another fix coming?

[Khiinroye]

The update was about an hour ago. It's about 200 files to download when you log in next time. No more changes have been mentioned yet.

[Agetos]

Wait so have they fixed it with the update today? Has it been confirmed because i haven't seen anybody post about it yet.