Raise the Minimum Requirement for entering Abyssea to Lv70 or 75

[Sesh]

Am I wrong though then? Playing since years back you should have seen the natural progression of easier exp it should be something that doesn't bother you anymore by this point. Take pride in the fact that you level jobs when exp was hard and you suffered through it. The noobs leveling to 90 in a day or whatnot can't take that away from you so just brush it off and enjoy what other aspects of the game you still like doing.

[Olor]

where are these noobs getting 90 in a day?

I think people are over-estimating how easy it is for someone starting from scratch to get in on Abyssea exp. My experience has been of sad horrible slow soloing - especially now that I am over 65. I would rather SE made it more feasible for people like me to actually be able to participate in Abyssea vs. being stuck in a horror show of grotesquely boring grinding, alone.

[Olor]

I mean the one thing the old days had over the new days is that at least in the old days one could pick up a job that was needed in parties and get your first job to cap.

Now... ugh. I hope you like soloing if you don't have cruor or an army of friends who want to powerlevel you

[Akujima]

I would rather SE made it more feasible for people like me to actually be able to participate in Abyssea vs. being stuck in a horror show of grotesquely boring grinding, alone.

The only reason you're out there grinding alone, is because all the veterans are leeching inside Abyssea, instead of outside PT'ing with you.

[Sesh]

where are these noobs getting 90 in a day?

I think people are over-estimating how easy it is for someone starting from scratch to get in on Abyssea exp. My experience has been of sad horrible slow soloing - especially now that I am over 65. I would rather SE made it more feasible for people like me to actually be able to participate in Abyssea vs. being stuck in a horror show of grotesquely boring grinding, alone.

I dunno how it is on other servers but Phoenix has leech pay2play FC's average around 150k an hour or so (titan b4 they merged with us said they let all leeches in for free etc which I don't believe but that besides the point) My group charges 500k for 6 hours (the first hour is free cause that involves getting lights etc) and in those 6 hours we always get all the payee's from 30 to no less than 85+ most of the time we go a lil extra and most walk away with 90 in about 6 hours time. Is it fair to the old players? No. But times change and we have to embrace the change if we continue to play. If we don't embrace it then you'll just end up miserable and bitter, and at that point is there really any reason to play anymore? I dunno, there wouldn't be a reason for me at least.

Note: Someone brand new who has to do genkai still has some work to do for sure, but I think it's safe to state that many of these leeches are still "noobs" in a general sense in the fact that even after all genkai are done they don't know what they're doing most likely.

[Olor]

Yeah, well, I don't think the solution is to nerf abyssea. I would much rather see SE create comparable exp elsewhere. I am pretty confident that most people would rather do something they participate in rather than leech. I don't blame anyone for wanting out of the terrible grind and frankly I don't want to force people to go through what I am going through right now, with or without a party.

GoV is a step in the right direction - (where mob placement isn't stupid anyway) - however - it is more useful for low level people than high level people because of the mob HP issue. It just takes too long to take down 60+ mobs for it not to feel like an agonizing chore regardless of page exp.

Honestly - it is the kill time that annoys the crap outta me more than anything.

Anyway, I would much rather SE make events like besieged and campaign as rewarding as Abyssea so that people 50-75 don't have to choose between either agonizingly slow grinding or afk/keying in abyssea.

I tried to solo campaign but it was not as fun as I remember it being with lots of people and I died and with no raise, I ended up wasting an hour (running back and forth, renewing my medal etc) and getting no exp.

Christ I remember when WotG first came out, doing campaign as a 40 whm, and when I died people practically fought over being able to raise me.

Anyway, sad to see the event abandoned. I am all for giving people choice so I don't think that raising the level for people to enter Abyssea is the solution. People just need to be given a real choice. Right now you'd have to be a complete idiot to choose the slow horrible grind over Abyseaa if you have the option.

[Panthera]

leeching is free and not against the TOS, terrible example is terrible.

I didn't say that leeching was against TOS. I didn't say leeching wasn't free. And it's not an example, it's a metaphor. Well trolled, sir.

What I meant by the metaphor is that while having a level 90 job and doing end game events is supposed to be fun (i.e. having the model airplane), leveling is supposed to be fun in and of itself(building the plane).

Leeching used to mean coming as a less powerful job to an otherwise strong party, but at least you did what you could for what it's worth. We used the term "leeching" inaccurately, for lack of a better word. Leeching now standing around and contributing nothing while the rest of the ally does the work. Now we can use the term leeching to mean what it means.

Honestly, what's the point? Standing around while everyone does the work so you can get to max level, so you can stand around and wait to proc something if you can, or wait for the kill order...what has this game come to?

[Akujima]

Obviously, those with the best gear and focus on task contribute the most damage, yet everyone benefits equally in experience points. But that does not mean that those who contribute less contribute nothing, which seems to be what you contend. An unequal symbiosis? I'll give you that, but calling a level 90 in full Aurora a leech is hyperbolic, just as hyperbolic as these mythical champions that everyone else just leeches off of. What bothers me are people who go AFK indefinately and nothing is done about it. That's leeching.

Wow, ahahaha, I couldn't stop laughing at that part... This guy seriously believes he's some kind of God amongst men.

Way to post, Panthera.

[Leonlionheart]

@OP: Yes, that's how it should be.

Why it's not that way: Leveling 1~75 SUCKED. It was horrible. If you think its any different than the mind numbing disgusting idea that is general ToM, then you are silly and quite frankly so biased to the point where fact just goes straight through you. ToM = killing the same mob until you finish a trial. Leveling up = killing the same mob until you finish a number of levels. How is it anything other than that? You can say that you needed a certain setup and skill set to kill mobs to level up, but really it boiled down to NIN BRD RDM THF DD DD (you could even leave out enmity control if your NIN had half a brain to buy both SH and Haubergeon).

If you liked old-style leveling but dislike ToM, then take off the nostalgia goggles. You liked playing a game because you were playing it.

Go play FFXI, if you're not having fun go play something else. Stop trolling these forums with the same rehashed point. Seriously all of your posts/threads say the same thing: "QQ I am somewhat displeased that this game has changed for the first time in 8 years! I want to go do the same thing over and over again like I used to!"

[Akujima]

Stop trolling these forums with the same rehashed point. Seriously all of your posts/threads say the same thing: "QQ I am somewhat displeased that this game has changed for the first time in 8 years! I want to go do the same thing over and over again like I used to!"

Actually I've made a total of 4 threads so far, 4/4 of them being hot topics and all having around 10 or so thumbs up.

If you think I'm QQ'ing, then you obviously don't know how to take a joke. Some of my posts are meant to be satirical, while others just simply have some humor thrown in. Most of my posts bring up very good valid points that I think aren't being given enough attention, other posts are to support people whom also make very strong points about the related topic. If this weren't true, then those threads would get very little replies or none at all.

What usually happens is people pick them apart and point out very very minor inconsistencies, all in an attempt to stray away from the topic at hand.

No, I don't like ToM. And using the excuse of doing something over and over again can back-fire on you pretty easily. At least when you hit 75 back before they announced the LvCap increase, there was a variety of endgame content to do. Now at Lv90, you're stuck with doing Abyssea, over and over again.