Quietus improvement, can I have it?

So, first off I do not have redemption (though I have been working on it) or the fake one (+2) so I do not have a 'perfect' understanding of what this ws can do. That being said the general opinion of quietus and the polearm empy ws (as I understand they are exactly the same, not counting animation and name) is that they are trash and not really worth getting. This, for me is unacceptable. Both scythe and polearm are the primary weapons of the jobs using them and while great sword does deserve a little attention that doesn't mean quietus should be trash. Now i'm sure not all of you will say its trash, that it will do fine outside of abyssea in the future, this may be but regardless of how you look at it the ws is not worth the time put into it.

As I understand it, quietus is 3x damage with a % def. ignored increased with tp ( mods: 40% mnd and str , 3x across the board ftp)

• just for comparison, torcleaver is 3x but with ftp multipliers up to 6.5
• the nin empy ws is 4x with reasonable ftp multipliers
• even sidewinder, a ws earned through normal skilling is 4x with high ftp modifiers
• and I cannot be sure but i believe you may even do better using spinning slash or ground strike under the right conditions

Many single hit (regular) weapon skills will hit stronger than quietus under the right conditions.

This (these, drg should get something nice too even though they have a host of decent polearm weapon skills as is... and scythe ... has guillotine... which is also not so great) weapon skill needs a fix of some sort. I have heard some things about SE doing some upgrades to relics sometime soon, if that is true this should get a boost at the same time.

I really wouldnt be able to suggest any way for them to upgrade the weapon skill without someone complaining about it (I don't think) but if you guys have ideas on how they could, post them. Personally, I would say make it x5 rather than x3 maybe with an increase in the amount of def ignored with tp (maybe 20% at 100, 40% at 200, and 60% at 300?) .... I dont think thats too much ... but ANYTHING to make it actually worth something.

Note: I know empys have a reputation of being extremely easy/quick to obtian, but you need the correct setup to do that. I would say the 'average' player either will not obtain one or take a good bit of time to get one. No evidence backing that up aside from my own experience, hated to do lotto spawn nms and doing Chloris.

Please THINK before you go ego crazy to put down the idea. That being said, discussion is welcome, this is a forum after all.

I have to agree Quietus needs an improvement from all Ive been hearing from Drks who have obtained the weapon and upgraded it to 90. They say the weapon is junk and far prefer Apocalypse to it or even Guillotine as opposed to the actual empyrean weapon skill itself, i myself have nearly completed both relic and empyrean scythe and will be able to test myself eventually which comes out on top, but from what i hear Redemption is a waste of time and Quietus is often seen as a joke of a weapon skill. If it is to become a more useful weapon something has to be done to make Quietus do more damage, because its going to be sad to say "I have a 90 Redemption and i prefer Guillotine over Quietus"

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Originally Posted by Natasha

• just for comparison, torcleaver is 3x but with ftp multipliers up to 6.5
• the nin empy ws is 4x with reasonable ftp multipliers
• even sidewinder, a ws earned through normal skilling is 4x with high ftp modifiers
• and I cannot be sure but i believe you may even do better using spinning slash or ground strike under the right conditions

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idk about any of the rest of that, but Sidewinder is a single hit WS with a static 5.0 ftp modifier.

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Originally Posted by Raksha

idk about any of the rest of that, but Sidewinder is a single hit WS with a static 5.0 ftp modifier.

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read all the weaponskills descriptions. they said quadruple damage and such~ that's what he means by the 3x and 4x

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Originally Posted by Raksha

idk about any of the rest of that, but Sidewinder is a single hit WS with a static 5.0 ftp modifier.

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yes, the description is : "Delivers an inaccurate attack that deals quadruple damage. Accuracy varies with TP."

If in saying that it had higher ftp modifiers you got confused I am sorry, I simply meant that the multipliers are higher.

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Originally Posted by Natasha

yes, the description is : "Delivers an inaccurate attack that deals quadruple damage. Accuracy varies with TP."

If in saying that it had higher ftp modifiers you got confused I am sorry, I simply meant that the multipliers are higher.

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so you quoted him to say the exact same thing?

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Originally Posted by Jar

so you quoted him to say the exact same thing?

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I quoted him in an attempt to clarify.

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Originally Posted by Natasha

I quoted him in an attempt to clarify.

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fantastic?

Id like to see both torcleaver and Quietus buffed i have Caladbolg and it is lame to see a war raging rush for more than torcleaver..

I imagine that is inside abyssea?

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Originally Posted by Natasha

I imagine that is inside abyssea?

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yeah RR not even close outside

Just curious but did you upgrade a Redemption when you already knew that Caladbolg was both better and easier to upgrade?

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Originally Posted by Jar

Id like to see both torcleaver and Quietus buffed i have Caladbolg and it is lame to see a war raging rush for more than torcleaver..

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If Raging Rush is out damaging Torcleaver either the WAR has better atmas than you or you're doing something wrong. Ukon's Fury yeah, but Raging Rush? hell no.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

Just curious but did you upgrade a Redemption when you already knew that Caladbolg was both better and easier to upgrade?

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I have not yet upgraded it fully. When I started no I did not know, I found out not long after though. Still I vastly prefer to use scythe over great sword.

Knew, didn't know, it shouldn't matter.... all of the empy weapons should be effective....

Edit: I plan to get redemption regardless, just would be nice if I actually had a decent scythe ws for once.

2500-3500 norm with spikes up to 5k happening frequently is not out of the ordinary for Raging Rush inside abyssea.

Great Sword is more fun anyway. Scythe is great, But should never limit your damage based on warped RP interpretations of the job. You should get both, Caladbolg is laughably easy anyway :P

Though, Quietus shines outside of Abyssea really, its quite effective there. It could use a Larger fTP, however SE said in another thread here (The Full break one) They had intentions to adjust multiple weaponskills, This may be one of them.

If we're handing out buffs to them though, I'd like to see Camlann's Torment get a buff, Rudra's Storm couldn't hurt to buff because it sucks without SA/TA, so DNC is kinda boned. (Strictly speaking for empyreans).

I wouldn't say I limit myself, I'd gladly pick up both ... >_> gonna start with this one and see where the road takes me~

Its a Solid weapon in terms of DPS, but you will be disappointed by the WS. Severely. At least inside Abyssea.

However I have been told and shown its rather decent outside. At the same time though, It could use a small buff, it just doesn't really shine as opposed to the other ones.

But at the same time, It has the Quality to Ignore DEF, Not Sure how potent it is, but it can be quite powerful on high DEF mobs, So it might become really good once we step outside Abyssea into the new NMs/Voidwatch System where we won't have Overwhelming Attack and buffs.

We'll See ;o

The argument for what weapon is easier really is invalidated by having the correct setup makes obtaining one relativley pain free.

/gets on rocking chair/ Why I remember back in the daaaaaay, where certain Dynamis shells could pump out Relic weapons with relative ease in one severe case a weapon every 2-3 weeks.

If you don't have a good group or a very large HNMLS already, getting an empyrean weapon is quite a monumental task considering they aren't even done yet and the trials once you get the 75 version (Which I know there isn't) are not monotonous (BUT EASY) kill 2000 things or WS kill 2000 things (and if I recall these requirements were drastically lowered but the Relic people STILL whined about this, but thats another story).

Quietus isn't a crit WS, so it sucks in abyssea - you don't get free 60% damage. I think however it could use a buff of some kind, an FTP mod or a better effect: I heard its only a chance activation.

The weapons aren't done yet I wonder what stats and if they'll make them more unique as time goes on.

It also looks uglier than apocalypse and I honestly thought that was impossible. Oh SE.

While all Empyreans are simple to an extent if you have help, Theres varying levels of "Easy" XD.

Caladbolg Requires Carabosse. 2 key Items, Simple NMs, about 10 feet from eachother and Carabosse pop. Chloris however, Requires very many NMs/Key items, Including Sub NMs to pop the NMs to get the Key items. So in the end i guess i should say, Caladbolg is much quicker to obtain. If two equal footed groups set out after both items, Caladbolg would be finished probably twice as fast.

Also, It is terribly Ugly. Looks like a Colibri head stuck to the end of a pole.

I would actually be a lot happier with an improvement to Quietus and Insurgency than I would Guillotine. According to a recent post, the developers are already planning some adjustments to current Weapon Skills. Let's hope at least one Scythe Weapon Skill gets an improvement. As much as I like Guillotine, I'd like to move on.

If i had a choice i'd make Quietus a magical WS like Wildfire rather than a Crit WS.

I agree massivly with Kagato i've seen that gullotine animation for 6 years~ now i'd like to look at something new lol.

As a side note i think Insurgency was the most uninventive WS SE ever added it looked Really cool but was almost identical to guillotine and by almost i mean it's slightly weaker ... i mean wtf.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Its a Solid weapon in terms of DPS, but you will be disappointed by the WS. Severely. At least inside Abyssea.

However I have been told and shown its rather decent outside. At the same time though, It could use a small buff, it just doesn't really shine as opposed to the other ones.

But at the same time, It has the Quality to Ignore DEF, Not Sure how potent it is, but it can be quite powerful on high DEF mobs, So it might become really good once we step outside Abyssea into the new NMs/Voidwatch System where we won't have Overwhelming Attack and buffs.

We'll See ;o

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I have actually heard that generally its pretty much on par with guillotine and sometimes weaker, and tbh it makes sense.... with it being 3 ftp multiplier across the board there are many ws that are stronger, i imagine that spiral hell could possibly out preform it... depends on the mob.

Really, this ws is most usefull when your guillotines suck because of high def... only other advantage is it makes darkness with itself.

There is really no excuse, the ws is simply not good enough.. Just like people who would say guillotine is a good ws. It is not, you can get decent numbers with it but its not a good ws.. .85 ftp multipliers, 25% str mnd mods and a silence that serves little purpose. Its about as good as you get with scythe but it is quite weak for a multi-hit ws. Again, it works to some extent but that doesnt make it good. (not suggesting a guillotine change, just stating my support for a good scythe ws)

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Originally Posted by Dart

2500-3500 norm with spikes up to 5k happening frequently is not out of the ordinary for Raging Rush inside abyssea.

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The Caladbolg wielding DRK in our LS pops off Torcleavers for 4k+ on average with spikes up to 6k. Admittedly he has perfect gear. Torcleaver has a monstrous damage multiplier (4.75-6.5) and if you aren't averaging at least 4k inside Abyssea with it you are doing something wrong.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Great Sword is more fun anyway. Scythe is great, But should never limit your damage based on warped RP interpretations of the job.

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Also, Guts uses a GS...

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

But at the same time, It has the Quality to Ignore DEF, Not Sure how potent it is, but it can be quite powerful on high DEF mobs, So it might become really good once we step outside Abyssea into the new NMs/Voidwatch System where we won't have Overwhelming Attack and buffs.

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Ignore defense is 10%/20%/30% at 100%/200%/300% TP. As the fTP doesn't vary with TP it's never justified to save up 300% TP because 3 Ws with 10% ignore defense will always out damage 1 WS with 30% ignore defense.

Torcleaver beats Quietus inside Abyssea or outside it because it's just a straightforward massive damage multiplier with no gimmicks. Hell it probably beats Ukon's Fury outside Abyssea too for the same reason.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

The Caladbolg wielding DRK in our LS pops off Torcleavers for 4k+ on average with spikes up to 6k. Admittedly he has perfect gear. Torcleaver has a monstrous damage multiplier (4.75-6.5) and if you aren't averaging at least 4k inside Abyssea with it you are doing something wrong.

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he /thf? i have nearly perfect gear and i go 2.5K-3K

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

Also, Guts uses a GS...




Ignore defense is 10%/20%/30% at 100%/200%/300% TP. As the fTP doesn't vary with TP it's never justified to save up 300% TP because 3 Ws with 10% ignore defense will always out damage 1 WS with 30% ignore defense.

Torcleaver beats Quietus inside Abyssea or outside it because it's just a straightforward massive damage multiplier with no gimmicks. Hell it probably beats Ukon's Fury outside Abyssea too for the same reason.

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I don't recall saying Quietus > Torc :| in fact mostly the complete opposite.

Just sayin' i remember it being a decently reliable WS outside of Abyssea (where content is headin'). But i know Torc Stomps on it <__<

It desperately needs a buff, It just falls short of useful on about everything. D:

I have near perfect gear for Torcleaver and don't average 4k, somebody is lying~

he could be buffed out the ass, getting his own personal cor with chaos/war rolls.

EDIT:: nvm

on a side note since the game is easy mode now.

Seriously can we unnerf rng to the old days? The rest of the DD jobs could still keep up. I miss playing rng :/

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Originally Posted by Dart

on a side note since the game is easy mode now.

Seriously can we unnerf rng to the old days? The rest of the DD jobs could still keep up. I miss playing rng :/

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I second this, but you should probably take that to the RNG boards :\

I don't want to dirty up the rng boards with my drk emoness.

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Originally Posted by Gradd

I have near perfect gear for Torcleaver and don't average 4k, somebody is lying~

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YOU'RE ALL JUST PUSSIES IN HORRIBLE CRAP.


Kidding aside.

Seriously. No really though. Average 4k? What the fuck is he eating, dragon hearts, with Thor's testicles and a side of Odin Blood?

I do 2.5-3k averages but that's like on garbage, on garbage I can do 4000+.

I'd like to average 4,000, not /thf.

On a side note I can do 2100+ Infernal Scythe's with MAB/Cosmos,+mab drink - with the 2-4 hit scythe, /rdm. So yea, I'd be down for buffing Infernal Scythe. [Yes Please.]