Bring back Long spawn/Rare WORLD HNM but put drops in legion/einherjar/other bc also

Bring back Long spawn/Rare WORLD HNM but put duplicate drops in legion/einherjar/other bc also

i think this would satisfy both crowds. People who enjoy camping and hunting for the gear, and people who don't wish to camp or compete for it, can do legion,einherjar 2.0 or other BCNM for the drops. If they complain about not actually fighting the new mobs, quite simply add reskinned duplicate mobs in the BCs as well. Simple fix, now the casuals can't whine and the hardcores can't control loot.

I enjoy camping the rare/long spawn HNM. Always exciting for me to see new one coming out and setting out to hunt them. That's the content I enjoy and hope they add, and if they add the drops/mobs to alternate bcs, casuals have no wiggle room for complaining about it, and you don't have botters controlling the market. I think this is a great medium.

please LIKE my post. I think we can unite and agree a solution like this would be perfect for both crowds. This type of content existing in both an INSTANCED/BC type manner as well as a long spawn/rare world spawn would please everyones playtype and time.
Please support it and LIKE it, as it benefits everyone.

Bad content makes the game look bad.

Poorly designed and badly thought out activities like HNM makes the game look bad by encouraging MPK and botting. It makes the community look really awful if the supposed best and the brightest are treating one another like absolute trash.

HNM makes the game look impossibly boring and non-interactive. I've seen so many people over the years comment on how the best part of HNM was being able to watch TV between windows. Imagine that sort of comment appearing in a review. Be totally objective and answer this: If you saw in a game review that the most fun to be had in an integral part of a game was idling your character while watching TV, would you seriously consider buying it?

So, no, I won't support the return of HNM even with alternate loot distribution methods. I'd rather have content that makes the game looks at least somewhat modern.

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Bad content makes the game look bad.

Poorly designed and badly thought out activities like HNM makes the game look bad by encouraging MPK and botting. It makes the community look really awful if the supposed best and the brightest are treating one another like absolute trash.

HNM makes the game look impossibly boring and non-interactive. I've seen so many people over the years comment on how the best part of HNM was being able to watch TV between windows. Imagine that sort of comment appearing in a review. Be totally objective and answer this: If you saw in a game review that the most fun to be had in an integral part of a game was idling your character while watching TV, would you seriously consider buying it?

So, no, I won't support the return of HNM even with alternate loot distribution methods. I'd rather have content that makes the game looks at least somewhat modern.

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This is pretty much the point I tried to make in the previous HNM topics. No company in their right mind would want to reintroduce content that effectively isn't entertaining. A game that fails to entertain is a game that cannot accomplish the core reason anyone would play a game, fun.

This thread is about discussing the content in the OP.

Camii u have commented several times in every thread on this issue. Mods have said before you don't need to comment in every thread about it, it's not doing anything.

If you don't support the thread, go trash talk it one of the other threads. This thread is not for people who are opposed to reasonable game suggestions and I will be reporting people who can't stay on topic.This is not a "we don't want that! thread. Camiie reading your previous posts, uve said that 8 DIFFERENT TIMES.

This suggestion is for those that do support it, there are thread where you can whine and complain elsewhere. This thread topic of interest is discussing the possible content suggested in the OP.
If you don't have anything to add to the discussion, gtfo...

"That makes the game look bad!"

"its not entertaining enough!" is spam. and reported.

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This thread is about discussing the content in the OP.

Camii u have commented several times in every thread on this issue. Mods have said before you don't need to comment in every thread about it, it's not doing anything.

If you don't support the thread, go trash talk it one of the other threads. This thread is not for people who are opposed to reasonable game suggestions and I will be reporting people who can't stay on topic.This is not a "we don't want that! thread. Camiie reading your previous posts, uve said that 8 DIFFERENT TIMES.

This suggestion is for those that do support it, there are thread where you can whine and complain elsewhere. This thread topic of interest is discussing the possible content suggested in the OP.
If you don't have anything to add to the discussion, gtfo...

"That makes the game look bad!"

"its not entertaining enough!" is spam. and reported.

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ummm... actually, Camii is on topic. Opposition to the concept, and an explanation of why. Your reply actually has the potential to derail the thread.

On topic:

It would probably be better for them to follow an instanced method then a timed spawn, and just avoid all the drama over the issue. So long as there is only one shot every x hours/minutes/days at claiming either a mob or a ???, there will be an issue with people fighting over their "right" to get that claim. By making it an isolated instanced event (BCNM) or at least providing multiple force pop ???'s in an area, there would only need to be one version of the item, and it could be made a sellable item. Otherwise, they would have to make the timed respawn (be it the actual NM or a single ???) drop the R/E and make the instanced/forced pop fight drop the sellable version, as they have done in the past. By making them isolated or multiple pop events (ie BCNM style, or multiple ??? points) only from the start, they avoid all the potential drama associated with camping a single timed respawn.

I think what they could do is have like others have said 2 ways to get the same piece of equipment, One maybe with a glowing effect from the HNM and another from a BCNM or other.

But i think what they can do to stop any chance of bots or in game monopolizing is make the monster drop a casket after every death with no way to put in the pool and that would stop any chance to sell it to an outside source after the fight. I've seen it happen with KingB for the blackbelt items back in the day, if you wanted the item if it dropped you had to pay the LS Xgil to get invited and lot on it. By putting said items in a chest it locks it to only the members in the fight. I see that as an all around way to solve the HNM issue.

They are fun to fight, i've fought the king crab guy before with a friends LS. Its fun when the fight starts but only if your in the fight itself. Make the pop windows smaller or right from the start introduce an alternative way to release the item so everyone can have it (just make the alternative way a little harder to get, not like 50% harder like 10% harder)

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This thread is about discussing the content in the OP.

Camii u have commented several times in every thread on this issue. Mods have said before you don't need to comment in every thread about it, it's not doing anything.

If you don't support the thread, go trash talk it one of the other threads. This thread is not for people who are opposed to reasonable game suggestions and I will be reporting people who can't stay on topic.This is not a "we don't want that! thread. Camiie reading your previous posts, uve said that 8 DIFFERENT TIMES.

This suggestion is for those that do support it, there are thread where you can whine and complain elsewhere. This thread topic of interest is discussing the possible content suggested in the OP.
If you don't have anything to add to the discussion, gtfo...

"That makes the game look bad!"

"its not entertaining enough!" is spam. and reported.

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Mods have also said from previous topics (which they closed), they've gotten a good idea of what the community thinks on the world spawn/HNM issue, so this whole topic is spam.

A pig slathered with lipstick is still no more than a pig slathered with lipstick.

Disagree with the whole premise of world spawn, free roaming HNM.

Spam thread report. Stupid idea, by the way.

Anyone that wants to sit there for 3 hours waiting for a monster to pop to lose it to someone that bots can simply sit in Jeuno and get the same experience. If your biggest thrill in this game comes from beating another group in claiming a mob after waiting several hours then I can't begin to imagine what's wrong with you.

Others have mentioned the drama aspect of HNM and I think that's a very important point. Not only does this drama cause rifts within linkshells and the community, but it also causes problems for SE (if anyone besides SE cares). I wonder how many GM calls they had to deal with because of the drama from HNM. I would imagine that they'd prefer to avoid content that's going to generate more calls.

I would like for you, Tuna, to answer me, Trisscar, this very relevant question: "What's in it for me?"

You see, only a handful of players (whom all seem to have severe anti-social disorders) want these world spawn HNMs. So, at some point, you are going to need me in order to fight this thing for you. Not just me, but a lot of people just like me. All for an item that's no better or worse than what we can more easily obtain by some other methods all for a cosmetic difference that serves to illustrate how anti-social you really are... Just so you can gloat how much of a 'better player' you are compared to everyone else.

Make no mistake, that's all it boils down to here. So, again: "What's in it for me?"

Honestly with how you describe it, sounds exactly like afterglow.

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Honestly with how you describe it, sounds exactly like afterglow.

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It does, now that you mention it. Makes me wonder if the people advocating this nonsense are even in their right minds.

"Pay out XX million Gils to XX number of normal of people to waste 4 hours of their lives every 3-5 days for a piece of shiny that makes me feel better about myself."

Sure, sounds legit to me.

Actually even billions from what I see on Phoenix even, thats why I said before that Afterglow is outrageous. 3000 Riftblahblah for 600~800k, 250 Marrow for 15~20Mil, and I have never seen PWs items sold or really shouted for much at all so I have no idea about Mythic, either way prices for these things are well into the billions and completely outrageous especially when you know its only a glow on a weapon for looks not even for effect.

But yeah I know what you mean, it makes you wonder why they bother putting it in really, especially because in my opinion its actually a mark down on you. You got afterglow means you are a completely selfish person most likely. I mean instead you could have bought enough AC for like 25 Relics from start to finish +lv99, but instead you wanted your weapon... to glow.

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I would like for you, Tuna, to answer me, Trisscar, this very relevant question: "What's in it for me?"

You see, only a handful of players (whom all seem to have severe anti-social disorders) want these world spawn HNMs. So, at some point, you are going to need me in order to fight this thing for you. Not just me, but a lot of people just like me. All for an item that's no better or worse than what we can more easily obtain by some other methods all for a cosmetic difference that serves to illustrate how anti-social you really are... Just so you can gloat how much of a 'better player' you are compared to everyone else.

Make no mistake, that's all it boils down to here. So, again: "What's in it for me?"

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I like you. You say what most of us are thinking. ^_^ Thank you.

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please LIKE my post. I think we can unite and agree a solution like this would be perfect for both crowds.

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3 likes, compared to the original opposition post which has 11. Looks like youre losing!

Also, next time you make a thread, at least present new information that wasnt covered in the other 15 threads about the topic, like I did.

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Actually even billions from what I see on Phoenix even, thats why I said before that Afterglow is outrageous. 3000 Riftblahblah for 600~800k, 250 Marrow for 15~20Mil, and I have never seen PWs items sold or really shouted for much at all so I have no idea about Mythic, either way prices for these things are well into the billions and completely outrageous especially when you know its only a glow on a weapon for looks not even for effect.

But yeah I know what you mean, it makes you wonder why they bother putting it in really, especially because in my opinion its actually a mark down on you. You got afterglow means you are a completely selfish person most likely. I mean instead you could have bought enough AC for like 25 Relics from start to finish +lv99, but instead you wanted your weapon... to glow.

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Actually what they're asking for is much worse than all that combined.

PW, Qilin, and ADL can be spawned as many times as you like, pop items and time constraints permitting. So these 'hardcores' asking us 'casuals' to help them get these items isn't too painful for us and we get something out it.

HNMs they're advocating for is asking us to suffer 4 hours to try and claim an over camped monster so these 'hardcores' can claim 'superiority' to everyone that just helped them if they get their shiny, with rewards going only to those who 'truly deserve it' (meaning them and their ilk, apparently).

Yeah... I'm not exactly feeling the motivation to assist, here.

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I like you. You say what most of us are thinking. ^_^ Thank you.

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I have that tendency to speak my mind. My shell mates say I'm too negative, though.

Oh I know, I'm just saying I agree I don't understand why SE makes or would make content that is inaccessible, pointless, rare, and worthless like Afterglow or items from HNMs that have slight differences. However at the same time if it keeps me from having to do the same HNMs the way they want while still getting the same gear just without a glow or something, I'm more than happy to accept it.

tunasushi

I'm hardcore (time) player...

and I got a few questions,

1 WHY does the hnm need to be on long spawn timers?

2 How is putting the hnm on a long pop timer benifitcial to the game?

3 How is putting the hnm on a long pop timer good for the community?

4) How are putting hnm in bcnm/ksnm helping the "casual" players?

if you can please answer those questions I can comment.
And I would like well thought out replies, not "I want it because I want it".

I'm still wondering why casuals are feeling entitled to only having their crowd tended to, or that they must do HNM if added, along with sub content that provides the exact same gear. Not supporting the OP it's jus a general observation thru the past what.. 4 HNM threads?

Let's go back to znm style NM, simple to farm, fun fights, no drama, good drops. I miss systems like that ^^

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Let's go back to znm style NM, simple to farm, fun fights, no drama, good drops. I miss systems like that ^^

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This is what most of us 'casuals' want. See? We can meet at the middle.

I'm an ex hardcore HNM player, and I hella enjoyed znms, gave me the same thrill of fun big team fights with no time constraints or limits and the rewards were awesome, and at decent drop rates. Gave the same fun as HNM and a need for a LS, pls reintroduce!!!

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I'm still wondering why casuals are feeling entitled to only having their crowd tended to, or that they must do HNM if added, along with sub content that provides the exact same gear. Not supporting the OP it's jus a general observation thru the past what.. 4 HNM threads?

Let's go back to znm style NM, simple to farm, fun fights, no drama, good drops. I miss systems like that ^^

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I'm an ex hardcore HNM player, and I hella enjoyed znms, gave me the same thrill of fun big team fights with no time constraints or limits and the rewards were awesome, and at decent drop rates. Gave the same fun as HNM and a need for a LS, pls reintroduce!!!

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It was fun. But, they screwed it up with that stupid picture taking. I understand some of the grinding stuff. But, that just took the wind out of everyone's sails. I know they raised the value of the photo's now. And, at 99, it should be easier for players to hold a mob to snap photos. But, I know a lot of people who won't return to it as long as that component exists. Just left a bad taste in everyone's mouth.

That ZNM idea had a lot of potential--later realized in Abyssea--but for that curveball S-E threw with the picture-taking system which basically added up to a gil sink no matter how you slice it. That pretty much sapped any motivation for me to get into that content.

I thought the same way about the Mythic weapon quests when they were first mentioned. Any alternative to shoveling obscene amounts of gil for a trophy is welcome to me. However, SE again threw that 12-6 curveball in the form of absurd amounts of Alexandrites (combined with making the acquisition of said items ridiculously slow), absurd amounts of event currency from events that have little (if any) relevance to the Mythic weapon storyline, and requiring items dropped from top-tier ZNMs. Again, any motivation I had was taken down to 0. About the only thing S-E got right was allowing an alternate quest for the Mythic Weapon Skills which, oddly enough, they got quite wrong in regards to Empyrean weapon skills.

Why not, instead of having a ridiculously large window, have a small window at a specific time of day, or during the week.

The camping aspect is 100% lame, for addicts only. But that doesn't mean all NMs should be easy, and making NMs appear infrequently is fine.

by the way my set of questions is something you should Always think of when making a suggestion. SE (or any other company) need good reasons too look into content making as it does take time and money to make. More thought out your idea/suggestion is more SE as to work with to make it how everyone likes it. To suggest something based on your self is never wise.

So if anyone in agreement with tuna, can you please reply the questions. It well help your cause out greatly.

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I'm still wondering why casuals are feeling entitled to only having their crowd tended to, or that they must do HNM if added, along with sub content that provides the exact same gear. Not supporting the OP it's jus a general observation thru the past what.. 4 HNM threads?

Let's go back to znm style NM, simple to farm, fun fights, no drama, good drops. I miss systems like that ^^

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Honestly, I really didn't care before if certain players wanted free-roaming hnms back. I had a pretty live and let live attitude towards it. But over the last week or so, the supporters have been so trollish, obnoxious, and just downright offensive that it just pissed me off. I honestly don't give a #@!* if they quit the game because they don't feel like they're being catered to (but lol ya right). In fact, I think the game would be better off without them.

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tunasushi

I'm hardcore (time) player...

and I got a few questions,

1 WHY does the hnm need to be on long spawn timers?

2 How is putting the hnm on a long pop timer benifitcial to the game?

3 How is putting the hnm on a long pop timer good for the community?

4) How are putting hnm in bcnm/ksnm helping the "casual" players?

if you can please answer those questions I can comment.
And I would like well thought out replies, not "I want it because I want it".

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Figured id answer and retort with questions of my own, considering youve asked these questions like 4 times with no response.

1. They dont need to be on timers that are obnoxiously long, whomever says they need to needs to realize a lot of us are not teenagers anymore. Secondly if content is made readily available to obtain the same crap, why do you care so much?

2. You asked the same question practically three times. How is easy mode content beneficial to the game other than temporary satisfaction because it becomes beaten so quickly?

3. To answer # 2-3 here since they are practically the same, it benefits the people who want it, it sparks linkshell activity, which ultimately benefits a lot of people in the long run, considering alternative content is added like the old days with the same/Equivilent gear, people get to stop duoing and soloing and start to rebuild strong groups for raids. just the like old days of big linkshells, this is an MMO, not a single player/small lobby online game. On my server specifically i know of 2 large linkshells on the entire server, this is unacceptable, as the rest are between 6-10 people linkshells. Tell me how does a small 6 man LS do things like legion, Provenance, New limbus, New Odin, without having to worry about pick up group people ninjaing everything? Linkshells having a point and meaning again yes please.

4. KSNM, BCNM, ect. have been out from the beginning, and have always been nice for everyone. And they more than likely will continue to be. If you want to be technical about it, Back when HNMs were out, Limbus held Homam which was really great gear for a ton of jobs, and it came from an instanced event. The same would be held true to ZNMs if people had the patience to zeni farm which im sorry really wasnt that bad if you compare it to competing for a fafnir. Einherjar was instanced event too, Odin as well, Odin dropped HNM gear along with his own stuff that was awesome. Tell me, BESIDES WAIT TIMES IN BETWEEN ENTRIES. How were any of the above bad content to accompany HNMs massive c**kblock?

Not tryin to troll you, im making a point however, for a self proclaimed veteran and hardcore FFXI gamer, you complain HNM content along with non HNM content that actually serves as a relief from them and a means to gain great items, im unsure exactly where youre coming from. You cant tell me Voidwatch how it is at the moment is better than how sea, sky, einherjar, limbus, ZNM were as non HNM related content back when. Voidwatch in itself is a bigger c**kblock than trying to get a ridill on 95% of occasions unless you have insane luck, or now, obnoxious amounts of money to buy what you need.

You asking how instanced events and such would be beneficial outside HNM content makes me wonder why youre even screaming about HNMs in the first place.

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Notice i didnt add salvage? *#&$ salvage drop rates massive rng f**k system.
Forgot to add Nyzul Isle, that crap was fun as hell and dropped hella great stuff! Neo Nyzul does too!

@ winnie
Instead off tossing venom, you may want to see who you are replying to then what "flag" they fall under. I thank you for replying to my questions. But no need for the venom. That is how fights start and threads close.

My opinion has been and will always be that we should have hnm.. but in away that everyone can kill them. With out worry about botting and drama.
I have suggested several means of spawning hnm that does not include 24+hr cool downs and 3 hour windows. Even as a Hard core I thought this to be rediculous.
Only reason I want hnm more so on shorter spawn times is to liven the world up. One of my fav moments in the past and me and my then b/f was going to bearclaw pinical. (sp?) it was a blizzard and as we walked a massive dragon like creature came into view. We avoided it and made our way to one of the most beautiful views in vana'diel.

I also stated many times I want this content, to have something to do. I am personally not looking to this for the rewards I may get.

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tunasushi

I'm hardcore (time) player...

and I got a few questions,

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I've been staring at this post for a good amount of time now.

It would keep the players who have no desire to perform beyond full-timing AF3 from obtaining them.
He already stated his idea and POV (along with solutions) in his OP.

Please skill up your reading comprehension and try again.

It takes "hardcore" dedication to suck this hard. I want to cry.

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I've been staring at this post for a good amount of time now.

It would keep the players who have no desire to perform beyond full-timing AF3 from obtaining them.
He already stated his idea and POV (along with solutions) in his OP.

Please skill up your reading comprehension and try again.
It takes "hardcore" dedication to suck this hard. I want to cry.

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What does that have to do with anything? People have every righ to content that their sub fee goes tward. And his "solutions" cost more money to make then anything. Got to remember something, Japan is still rebuilding. Plus teams are smaller.
And I did read the Post. All it reads is "I want this because I want it" And flings an insult at the player base. Which you do as well. All hnm are, are field bosses. You guys who claim hardcore put too much stock in your gear and its rareity. Finding and claiming an HNM isn't all that hard... literally anyone can do it at any level. Killing it is another story.
O btw cute comment...

Since I hit the character limit, I would like to add that how a person gears their character in no way should keep them from content. That is such a rediculous mindset to have it is almost laughable. I see people leech level gear less. I see level 40 w/o subs. I've see bst who have no idea what jug pets are, and I've blus who had no blue magic spells @ 50... YET your too worried about what a player uses for gear who you will never meet in game, and tell them they can't do content.
That is so grade school bullying...

Break it up you two...

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Break it up you two...

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i'm not doing anything :) 100% innocent.

(joking btw)

but on topic. anyone else care to reply my quest preferable with out venom, school yard insults, and more then "i want this because i want this"?

also preferable with reward not being the forefront for the reason.

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Since I hit the character limit, I would like to add that how a person gears their character in no way should keep them from content.

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My brain...

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That is such a rediculous mindset to have it is almost laughable.

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Everything that has come out of your mouth is not only terrifying, but pure comedic gold.

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I see people leech level gear less.

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I see level 40 w/o subs. I've see bst who have no idea what jug pets are, and I've blus who had no blue magic spells @ 50...

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I've seen people sinking mass amounts into a game that bradygames had a better understanding. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...DL._SS500_.jpg

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YET your too worried about what a player uses for gear who you will never meet in game, and tell them they can't do content.

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Join a Prov shout with any of your jobs.

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That is so grade school bullying...

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I urge you to reread the OP carefully.

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Break it up you two...

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But I'm not on a PS3...

Like I said, break it up, as in, stop fighting.

Why should people that work for a living or got families get a penalized for not being on? Until they modernize there party and linkshell system, the old waiting for hrs just will not work no more. I like think this game has grown up over the years and when it catches up to the modern mmos systems, but improve on them for once, not having the others fixed ff11 mistakes, but have ffx11 do some cool stuff. Till this day ff11 cutscenes and the world are amazzing after 10 yrs kind sucks no voice dialog.

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Bad content makes the game look bad ... Poorly designed and badly thought out

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Just because you don't enjoy it - doesn't mean its bad game design.

If the system was introduced, I'd like to see the spawn opportunity/window reduced from 3 hours to 30 minutes, with pop windows every 5 minutes during that 30 minute period, instead of every 30 minutes over a 3 hour period

As the OP suggested, all the drops would be available in Legion, etc, so if you don't like camping, you really don't have to and you won't miss out on anything.

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We don't like it. It isn't a bad design, it's a moronic one. What you're suggesting is that they reintroduce a moronic idea that was so horrible that they changed the spawn requirements from moronic to reasonable on the original HNM. You keep on harping this moronic idea but if it came out I would bet real Gil you wouldn't touch it with a stick ten yalms long.

So SE just wasted a lot of time and effort to program some stupid HNM that a majority of people don't want so you can feel better about yourelf for what's essentially artificial PvP when they could have implemented something else like (oh, I don't know) actual PvP.

You want to troll people to your hearts content, some morons out there want to as well. Troll each other in an orgasmic PvP frenzy for all I care. Leave real endgame to real players.

Damn, these debates are stupid. No wonder the mods lock these threads.

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If the most enjoyable part of a game is doing something else because all you can do is stand around and wait, that's about as bad as game design can possibly get. It's a game without interactivity! That's like missing the entire point of being a game! It's like a radio station or TV network that's nothing but dead air. It's like a website with no information. I'm sure there are people who greatly enjoy silence and simplicity, but that doesn't mean any of those things are good for what they are supposed to be.

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If the system was introduced, I'd like to see the spawn opportunity/window reduced from 3 hours to 30 minutes, with pop windows every 5 minutes during that 30 minute period, instead of every 30 minutes over a 3 hour period

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You can compress and compact poop all you want, but it's still poop.

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As the OP suggested, all the drops would be available in Legion, etc, so if you don't like camping, you really don't have to and you won't miss out on anything.

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Legion? Really? What sort of HNM are you planning on fighting? The new PW or AV?