Bring back Long spawn/Rare WORLD HNM but put drops in legion/einherjar/other bc also

[Tunasushi]

Bring back Long spawn/Rare WORLD HNM but put duplicate drops in legion/einherjar/other bc also

i think this would satisfy both crowds. People who enjoy camping and hunting for the gear, and people who don't wish to camp or compete for it, can do legion,einherjar 2.0 or other BCNM for the drops. If they complain about not actually fighting the new mobs, quite simply add reskinned duplicate mobs in the BCs as well. Simple fix, now the casuals can't whine and the hardcores can't control loot.

I enjoy camping the rare/long spawn HNM. Always exciting for me to see new one coming out and setting out to hunt them. That's the content I enjoy and hope they add, and if they add the drops/mobs to alternate bcs, casuals have no wiggle room for complaining about it, and you don't have botters controlling the market. I think this is a great medium.

please LIKE my post. I think we can unite and agree a solution like this would be perfect for both crowds. This type of content existing in both an INSTANCED/BC type manner as well as a long spawn/rare world spawn would please everyones playtype and time.
Please support it and LIKE it, as it benefits everyone.

[Camiie]

Bad content makes the game look bad.

Poorly designed and badly thought out activities like HNM makes the game look bad by encouraging MPK and botting. It makes the community look really awful if the supposed best and the brightest are treating one another like absolute trash.

HNM makes the game look impossibly boring and non-interactive. I've seen so many people over the years comment on how the best part of HNM was being able to watch TV between windows. Imagine that sort of comment appearing in a review. Be totally objective and answer this: If you saw in a game review that the most fun to be had in an integral part of a game was idling your character while watching TV, would you seriously consider buying it?

So, no, I won't support the return of HNM even with alternate loot distribution methods. I'd rather have content that makes the game looks at least somewhat modern.

[Rekin]

Bad content makes the game look bad.

Poorly designed and badly thought out activities like HNM makes the game look bad by encouraging MPK and botting. It makes the community look really awful if the supposed best and the brightest are treating one another like absolute trash.

HNM makes the game look impossibly boring and non-interactive. I've seen so many people over the years comment on how the best part of HNM was being able to watch TV between windows. Imagine that sort of comment appearing in a review. Be totally objective and answer this: If you saw in a game review that the most fun to be had in an integral part of a game was idling your character while watching TV, would you seriously consider buying it?

So, no, I won't support the return of HNM even with alternate loot distribution methods. I'd rather have content that makes the game looks at least somewhat modern.

This is pretty much the point I tried to make in the previous HNM topics. No company in their right mind would want to reintroduce content that effectively isn't entertaining. A game that fails to entertain is a game that cannot accomplish the core reason anyone would play a game, fun.

[Tunasushi]

This thread is about discussing the content in the OP.

Camii u have commented several times in every thread on this issue. Mods have said before you don't need to comment in every thread about it, it's not doing anything.

If you don't support the thread, go trash talk it one of the other threads. This thread is not for people who are opposed to reasonable game suggestions and I will be reporting people who can't stay on topic.This is not a "we don't want that! thread. Camiie reading your previous posts, uve said that 8 DIFFERENT TIMES.

This suggestion is for those that do support it, there are thread where you can whine and complain elsewhere. This thread topic of interest is discussing the possible content suggested in the OP.
If you don't have anything to add to the discussion, gtfo...

"That makes the game look bad!"

"its not entertaining enough!" is spam. and reported.

[RAIST]

This thread is about discussing the content in the OP.

Camii u have commented several times in every thread on this issue. Mods have said before you don't need to comment in every thread about it, it's not doing anything.

If you don't support the thread, go trash talk it one of the other threads. This thread is not for people who are opposed to reasonable game suggestions and I will be reporting people who can't stay on topic.This is not a "we don't want that! thread. Camiie reading your previous posts, uve said that 8 DIFFERENT TIMES.

This suggestion is for those that do support it, there are thread where you can whine and complain elsewhere. This thread topic of interest is discussing the possible content suggested in the OP.
If you don't have anything to add to the discussion, gtfo...

"That makes the game look bad!"

"its not entertaining enough!" is spam. and reported.

ummm... actually, Camii is on topic. Opposition to the concept, and an explanation of why. Your reply actually has the potential to derail the thread.

On topic:

It would probably be better for them to follow an instanced method then a timed spawn, and just avoid all the drama over the issue. So long as there is only one shot every x hours/minutes/days at claiming either a mob or a ???, there will be an issue with people fighting over their "right" to get that claim. By making it an isolated instanced event (BCNM) or at least providing multiple force pop ???'s in an area, there would only need to be one version of the item, and it could be made a sellable item. Otherwise, they would have to make the timed respawn (be it the actual NM or a single ???) drop the R/E and make the instanced/forced pop fight drop the sellable version, as they have done in the past. By making them isolated or multiple pop events (ie BCNM style, or multiple ??? points) only from the start, they avoid all the potential drama associated with camping a single timed respawn.

[Secondplanet]

I think what they could do is have like others have said 2 ways to get the same piece of equipment, One maybe with a glowing effect from the HNM and another from a BCNM or other.

But i think what they can do to stop any chance of bots or in game monopolizing is make the monster drop a casket after every death with no way to put in the pool and that would stop any chance to sell it to an outside source after the fight. I've seen it happen with KingB for the blackbelt items back in the day, if you wanted the item if it dropped you had to pay the LS Xgil to get invited and lot on it. By putting said items in a chest it locks it to only the members in the fight. I see that as an all around way to solve the HNM issue.

They are fun to fight, i've fought the king crab guy before with a friends LS. Its fun when the fight starts but only if your in the fight itself. Make the pop windows smaller or right from the start introduce an alternative way to release the item so everyone can have it (just make the alternative way a little harder to get, not like 50% harder like 10% harder)

[Aldersyde]

This thread is about discussing the content in the OP.

Camii u have commented several times in every thread on this issue. Mods have said before you don't need to comment in every thread about it, it's not doing anything.

If you don't support the thread, go trash talk it one of the other threads. This thread is not for people who are opposed to reasonable game suggestions and I will be reporting people who can't stay on topic.This is not a "we don't want that! thread. Camiie reading your previous posts, uve said that 8 DIFFERENT TIMES.

This suggestion is for those that do support it, there are thread where you can whine and complain elsewhere. This thread topic of interest is discussing the possible content suggested in the OP.
If you don't have anything to add to the discussion, gtfo...

"That makes the game look bad!"

"its not entertaining enough!" is spam. and reported.

Mods have also said from previous topics (which they closed), they've gotten a good idea of what the community thinks on the world spawn/HNM issue, so this whole topic is spam.

A pig slathered with lipstick is still no more than a pig slathered with lipstick.

Disagree with the whole premise of world spawn, free roaming HNM.

[Trisscar]

Spam thread report. Stupid idea, by the way.

[Dekar]

Anyone that wants to sit there for 3 hours waiting for a monster to pop to lose it to someone that bots can simply sit in Jeuno and get the same experience. If your biggest thrill in this game comes from beating another group in claiming a mob after waiting several hours then I can't begin to imagine what's wrong with you.

[Camiie]

Others have mentioned the drama aspect of HNM and I think that's a very important point. Not only does this drama cause rifts within linkshells and the community, but it also causes problems for SE (if anyone besides SE cares). I wonder how many GM calls they had to deal with because of the drama from HNM. I would imagine that they'd prefer to avoid content that's going to generate more calls.