Newest interview (abyssea was a mistake?)

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Originally Posted by Natasha

Not having one.

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Im jelly that you dont have one?

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Originally Posted by Natasha

I am aware of what you speak but that does not BAR it. For example, say I smoke and you smoke and I tell you not to cause its bad for your health. Well, in that case I would be hypocritical but its still good advice.

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So do as I say, not as I do?

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Originally Posted by Olor

See my signature for an example.

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My NIN is gimp as shit, lol. Loud and proud. The rest of my jobs aren't bad, though. I blame most of my NIN's sucktasticness on a lack of a decent mainhand weapon, as theoretically the rest of my gear is decent.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

So do as I say, not as I do?

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More like do whats right, regardless of what I do.

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Originally Posted by Natasha

More like do whats right, regardless of what I do.

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You should run for Congress.

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Originally Posted by Natasha

I know that but i'd end up brewing anyway.

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Why brew when you don't have to do it. There are some aby stuffs that I solo, it is harder and longer but once you get the pattern, it is doable just like everything else in the game (even game like Demon Souls).Now i must do logwatch for a chance of another craptacular spectacular that is more logs.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

You should run for Congress.

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because gov't isn't already bad enough amirite?

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

You should run for Congress.

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I bet you guys would be rolling all over the place while I stone face through the TV at you.

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Originally Posted by Olor

because gov't isn't already bad enough amirite?

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Oooooooh you suck >.>

Lol this just reminds me of Family Guy "believe what I say or I'll hurt you"

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

Why brew when you don't have to do it. There are some aby stuffs that I solo, it is harder and longer but once you get the pattern, it is doable just like everything else in the game (even game like Demon Souls).Now i must do logwatch for a chance of another craptacular spectacular that is more logs.

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Well because Im on only limited times for the month, if I was going to do it otherwise I would do it when I can get a couple people. (atm Im just doing w/e my friends are doing when I log on)

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Originally Posted by Olor

because gov't isn't already bad enough amirite?

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Ouch! Here I was thinking par for the course.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

Lol this just reminds me of Family Guy "believe what I say or I'll hurt you"

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Supportive arguments = I'll hurt you?

Right just like im "jelly" that you don't have a brutal while I do.

Well, you guys get what you want. Im going away now, I don't have 6 hrs to argue on forums (despite pretty much doing that today). My statements stand, some may agree but most probably will not and I accepted that from the start.

Safe to say I have little faith in ffxi's community.

Maybe if everyone besides you agrees, its not the community that is wrong.

Thank you for helping people maintain their faith in human stupidity.

Considering the Neutrino experiments being conducted at OPERA right now, someone needs to give poor ol' Al Einstein some support.

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Originally Posted by Natasha

Actually I call it counter-troll or (troll the troll) because having gear or not having it has nothing to do with concept development.

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Depending on the concept, it can. The items you've obtained wouldn't matter if this were a discussion of proc systems or job balance or how to roast a suckling pig for Christmas or which brand and flavor of mouthwash is best suited for drinking.

However, in a discussion of the difficulty of obtaining items, it holds some relevance. Not only is a Brutal Earring an example of an easily obtained piece of equipment, it's also an example of a relatively old piece of equipment. It predates all of Treasures of Aht Urghan, for example.

Knowing that, it's really hard not to think that you're commenting on something that will never affect you either way. If you weren't playing much around the time Limbus came out, and you aren't playing much now, why do you even care enough to chime in on this?

I guess it is possible you've obtained a lot of stuff and gotten banned a couple of times. In that case, yes, what you have currently isn't nearly as relevant (but still equally funny) because you did obtain stuff in the past. However, what someone has obtained is totally relevant to his or her input about obtaining stuff.

As to roasting suckling pigs, the answer is not to buy any pigs over 40 pounds and to start on a low temperature and finish high. A normal oven actually works great. The reason for the smaller pig is so it will actually fit in a home oven, and so the muscles won't have fully developed (and become tough) yet.

As to drinking mouth wash, the answer is "anything not mint flavored". You might think the fake mint flavors will smooth out the bold flavors of alcoholic oral disinfectant, but they no such thing.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

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GG, thanks for the new signature. It's so kawaii daysu!

Also, wow, this topic. It's a train wreck and I can't look away! Every time I click on a new page, there's 3 more! I'm sure it'll be locked soon and that makes me very sad. :( One of the Official Forum's best topics for entertainment.

I'm still at the lolBrutal Earring part!

I'm still lol'ing at the thought of brutal being beyond the reach of a casual.

I guess buying 75 coins from a bazaar for about 700k or less is hardcore >_>

- I got mine when it first came out, back when most groups did a "Split coin" bit at the end of each run, each member coming out with about 3-4 per run, and them costing ~15k each. Took me a while back then =.=

Boy did I miss a lot going home from work and shopping for some goceries... I had a response for Natasha but felt it only fair I caught up on the rest of the thread and couldn't remember my response after the lols about Brutal Earring.

A serious question for the rest, did I miss something where Brutal isn't still one of the best earrings to have anymore?

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Originally Posted by Zagen

A serious question for the rest, did I miss something where Brutal isn't still one of the best earrings to have anymore?

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Although it has been like this since 75 cap, the Brutal is not good whenever you have a multihitter that hits more then twice a round, such as a Kraken Club or the magian multihitters.

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Originally Posted by Natasha

yes because you need an extra 5% double attack rate to do things these days... VV?

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You garnered goodwill with me when you made the 'Boost Entropy' petition thread and you seem like a honestly decent sort; but i'm stopping at post #289 to say just stop. Please, just stop posting in this thread.

I'm gonna finish this thread now and i pray to god that you stopped shortly after the quoted post....

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Originally Posted by Natasha

If thats the case then you should stop complaining about stuff being a time sync then.

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What exactly do you mean by a time "sync" in relation to MMOs?

Why is it the people that want the old ways back are usually the ones that did it the least (or that quit for FFXIV and now are crawling back on their hands and knees cause it sucks).

Most people I know of that actually did old endgame hardcore don't want to go back to that horrible s***. I did Salvage 3 times a week, Dyna twice, Limbus twice, Ein twice, Assault over and over to get points to...do salvage, HNM every other moment I was free and playing the game I pay to play (fu sandwowrm/DI) cause the LS would guilt trip you if you didn't fkin go and you were online and I'd would rather not go back to it.

Some scrub saying how easy the game has become that doesn't even have a brutal earring needs to be seen as the pure troll they are and stfu seriously.

FFXI is running on a skeleton crew. The development team has been reduced to so few people that they simply don't have the manpower to put out abyssea style content as fast as the players can burn through it. And SE increasing the development team size is highly, highly unlikely at this point in the game's lifespan. Abyssea was originally intended to cut player's ties to FFXI and allow them to have a sense of completion with the game before everyone transitioned to FFXIV. They weren't looking at FFXI long term when they made it because they assumed FFXI would be a ghost town by now.

FFXIV is the new focus not FFXI and you can yell and scream all you want but that's not going to change. No matter how wrong you think they are about this, that is the direction SE is taking. They have taken an all or nothing stance on this and either FFXIV will succeed or they will burn the MMO division to the ground trying.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

You don't get it. Abyssea was fun, no one argues that. But it's far from a success. It's bad, and it killed FFXI, possibly for good this time.

FFXI is a MMORPG, and one of any MMORPG's main goals should be longevity. Part of longevity is finding the balance between enjoyable content and slow progression. Too slow, and players lose interest, too fast, and you're not able to dish out enough content in time to keep people entertained. Abyssea tipped that balance way into the latter category. It's as if the development team forgot what most gamers, especially online gamers, are like. They plow through content. Just a few weeks after Heroes of Abyssea was released, all the mobs in there have already been defeated, more than once. Three months after it was released, many HNMLS have quit for good, because they had all Empyreans finished and every piece of gear they wanted. And for casual players it only took longer (and not much, because they're getting the hang of it as well.

In short, Abyssea removed a large chunk of the hardcore players from FFXI. However, those players were the ones who were able to deal with real content better, which is why now everyone complains about Voidwatch. It's very hard to go back to "normal" FFXI, after Abyssea, which was FFXI on ecstasy. And I'm not sure if people will ever be able to recover.

Old FFXI had it right. You may have considered it too slow, or too hard, or whatever, but thankfully what you think doesn't count, only numbers count. And in the decade that FFXI existed, never have more people quit than after Abyssea was released. Maybe some people will return some time from now, but a large part of the damage is done. We'll see what will become of this game, but whatever you wanna think, Abyssea was a bad move on SE's part (and they know it, as you can see).

About the interview... I'm quite surprised SE admitted this. Honestly, I wasn't even sure if they even knew what was going on. But kudos to them for saying it like it is, let's hope they get back in gear to give us real content.

Also, shut up:

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I agree i think it killed the game bad made to easy made so many ppl lazy now new players dont know jack about how to play this game the real way.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Why is it the people that want the old ways back are usually the ones that did it the least (or that quit for FFXIV and now are crawling back on their hands and knees cause it sucks).

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We apparently know completely different people, because in my eyes it's exactly the opposite. People who did old content regularly are the ones who want it back, including me. And I know plenty of people who quit because of it.

But guess what, neither my nor your fucking opinion matters. SE cannot sustain content like Abyssea over any long period of time. It is not possible. Impossible. Do you know what that fucking word means? No matter what you argue about how awesome Abyssea is and how much the old FFXI sucked, it doesn't change the fact that Abyssea-like content can not be maintained regularly. It is wishful thinking. And not just because XI runs on a skeleton crew, even before it was pretty much impossible. Developing Abyssea took them over a year (just from what we know, quite possibly a lot longer). It took players a few weeks per each release to burn through it (longer at first, because it took people some time to figure it out, not much though). You do the math. It doesn't work. It doesn't matter if it's better. It's not healthy for the game. Period. The end. If you wanna argue this (which, sadly, apparently you do), you just don't wanna admit it to yourself.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Some scrub saying how easy the game has become that doesn't even have a brutal earring needs to be seen as the pure troll they are and stfu seriously.

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If some scrub without a Brutal Earring finds the game too easy, then it fucking is too easy. Why are you hanging on what they said? Let it fucking go already, it was over ten fucking pages ago. It doesn't change anything. Abyssea-like content cannot be maintainted. It is a physical impossibility. Get over your fucking self.

the only mistake was the lvl 30 access to Abyssea

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Why is it the people that want the old ways back are usually the ones that did it the least (or that quit for FFXIV and now are crawling back on their hands and knees cause it sucks).

Most people I know of that actually did old endgame hardcore don't want to go back to that horrible s***. I did Salvage 3 times a week, Dyna twice, Limbus twice, Ein twice, Assault over and over to get points to...do salvage, HNM every other moment I was free and playing the game I pay to play (fu sandwowrm/DI) cause the LS would guilt trip you if you didn't fkin go and you were online and I'd would rather not go back to it.

Some scrub saying how easy the game has become that doesn't even have a brutal earring needs to be seen as the pure troll they are and stfu seriously.

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Old endgame did suck if you decided to dedicate your life to it, i personally ran endgame and spaced it out through the years, never had an issue with guilt trips nor did i guilt trip the members, sorry to say your one of the people who let a "Game" become work for you, FFXI now is way too easy to me personally, the abyssea entry at 30 probably the worst idea as now you can burn a job from 1-95 in 2 days. Gear is all the same easily obtainable nothing that really separates the better players from a random moron who burns a job to 95 and has no clue how to use it. Now as for this whole Brutal Earring debate it really is just about useless to anyone without a double attack set, you stick 5% on someone it will trigger just not often, and to call someone a troll over just not having an earring, that i find lol some gear i myself dragged out just because i had no use for it at the time, and as far as im concerned the only trolls i see here are the ones bashing others over gear, just because they dont have it does not mean they dont know how it works.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

You don't get it. Abyssea was fun, no one argues that. But it's far from a success. It's bad, and it killed FFXI, possibly for good this time.

FFXI is a MMORPG, and one of any MMORPG's main goals should be longevity. Part of longevity is finding the balance between enjoyable content and slow progression. Too slow, and players lose interest, too fast, and you're not able to dish out enough content in time to keep people entertained. Abyssea tipped that balance way into the latter category. It's as if the development team forgot what most gamers, especially online gamers, are like. They plow through content. Just a few weeks after Heroes of Abyssea was released, all the mobs in there have already been defeated, more than once. Three months after it was released, many HNMLS have quit for good, because they had all Empyreans finished and every piece of gear they wanted. And for casual players it only took longer (and not much, because they're getting the hang of it as well.

In short, Abyssea removed a large chunk of the hardcore players from FFXI. However, those players were the ones who were able to deal with real content better, which is why now everyone complains about Voidwatch. It's very hard to go back to "normal" FFXI, after Abyssea, which was FFXI on ecstasy. And I'm not sure if people will ever be able to recover.

Old FFXI had it right. You may have considered it too slow, or too hard, or whatever, but thankfully what you think doesn't count, only numbers count. And in the decade that FFXI existed, never have more people quit than after Abyssea was released. Maybe some people will return some time from now, but a large part of the damage is done. We'll see what will become of this game, but whatever you wanna think, Abyssea was a bad move on SE's part (and they know it, as you can see).

About the interview... I'm quite surprised SE admitted this. Honestly, I wasn't even sure if they even knew what was going on. But kudos to them for saying it like it is, let's hope they get back in gear to give us real content.

Also, shut up:

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Exactly! Abyssea is pretty much why I gave up on FFXI.

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Originally Posted by kylani

Exactly! Abyssea is pretty much why I gave up on FFXI.

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Abyssea is what brought me to feeling FFXI does have an end, whereas before it didnt.

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Originally Posted by ruzoko

Abyssea is what brought me to feeling FFXI does have an end, whereas before it didnt.

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I feel the same way somewhat, but as most would say on this thread, abyssea revolutionized everything in final fantasy, not replaces and made all of the content obsolete.

No instead we get people mentioning other content has augments, most augments up to now, (Not future augments as i know someone will retard read this and try to mention future shit that isnt out) Hardly any of them compare to abyssea gear, so why even do the content if the gear isnt to par, its become a 'do that event til you get that piece then we ditch it and go back to abyssea' Yeah sorry no, thats plain as day, do some searches to old content areas if you want to contest that fact. and if people are really ganna use the 'it helped me maintain life and enjoy the game without the time sinks' then you have or had some extreme issues and shouldnt be on an MMO in the first place if you have heavy time constraints.

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Originally Posted by Winrie

I feel the same way somewhat, but as most would say on this thread, abyssea revolutionized everything in final fantasy, not replaces and made all of the content obsolete.

No instead we get people mentioning other content has augments, most augments up to now, (Not future augments as i know someone will retard read this and try to mention future shit that isnt out) Hardly any of them compare to abyssea gear, so why even do the content if the gear isnt to par, its become a 'do that event til you get that piece then we ditch it and go back to abyssea' Yeah sorry no, thats plain as day, do some searches to old content areas if you want to contest that fact. and if people are really ganna use the 'it helped me maintain life and enjoy the game without the time sinks' then you have or had some extreme issues and shouldnt be on an MMO in the first place if you have heavy time constraints.

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Definately agree with this, if you dont have the time for the game dont play it, for those of us who had some time to spare to ffxi this new era of do whatever whenever killed what ffxi used to be.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Why is it the people that want the old ways back are usually the ones that did it the least (or that quit for FFXIV and now are crawling back on their hands and knees cause it sucks).

Most people I know of that actually did old endgame hardcore don't want to go back to that horrible s***. I did Salvage 3 times a week, Dyna twice, Limbus twice, Ein twice, Assault over and over to get points to...do salvage, HNM every other moment I was free and playing the game I pay to play (fu sandwowrm/DI) cause the LS would guilt trip you if you didn't fkin go and you were online and I'd would rather not go back to it.

Some scrub saying how easy the game has become that doesn't even have a brutal earring needs to be seen as the pure troll they are and stfu seriously.

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I have suspected since this website began that you were just a gimp on Ramuh. Then overtime as abyssea was released you, and the other gimps started feeling good about yourselves to the point you felt like pro's. Yet here in this quote you seem to talk about all the end game content you did, and HNM pre-abyssea.

So if you're such a pro have some balls, and tell us your character name, and LS from Ramuh. No threat to your E security.. Ramuh is gone. If you were a decent player I'll eat my hat. You'll just cite some of your "Amagad Gaiz!" "I'm entitled to my internet anonymity." BS.. However you, and I know the truth. You decided to go stealth on this forum so you could talk like you're all that without anyone checking your profile, and seeing you as the gimp you are.

Please feel free to prove me wrong.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

People who did old content regularly are the ones who want it back, including me. And I know plenty of people who quit because of it.

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This is the truth.

Their thing says they are from Sylph, why would the be from Ramuh?

Honestly, Old FFXI wasnt as great as people remember it being. Some events werent that bad. Limbus, Einherjar, Salvage.

I hope to god they never go back to HNM.

Their "thing" is a mule, and can be from anywhere. Prior to people being able to skirt the forum with mules however the main used to read Ramuh. Craptastic decision to let people post from mules on here instead of main characters. Almost as bad of an idea as abyssea...

I thought these forums came out after Ramuh was no longer a server.

Incorrect.