To: Mr Akihiko Matsui

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

And where from do you suppose I pull this duo or trio from? (Waits for it)...

And once I get the answer to that, where do I pull the remaining 3-4 to have a proper six-man party? (Waits for it again...)

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That's your problem. If enough people think like you then you'll band together and form the kind of party you want. If not? You either play the way others want to, play alone, or don't play at all.

There's a lot of times I log in and there's no one who wants to do what I want to. I either do something else or log off. Nobody is obligated do do what I want how I want it. Same deal for you.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

That's your problem. If enough people think like you then you'll band together and form the kind of party you want. If not? You either play the way others want to, play alone, or don't play at all.

There's a lot of times I log in and there's no one who wants to do what I want to. I either do something else or log off. Nobody is obligated do do what I want how I want it. Same deal for you.

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What if this is the case for you 98% of the time? Is that still an option you would call viable?

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

What if this is the case for you 98% of the time? Is that still an option you would call viable?

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If you can't find five people who think like you in a game with thousands of subscriptions, then you should come to terms with the fact that you're the oddball.

And by the way, perhaps you all didn't catch the neat little memes that say "Oh look. It's this thread again." Perhaps that's because the options you say we have actually do not exist.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

And where from do you suppose I pull this duo or trio from? (Waits for it)...

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Shout in Jeuno, ask in your shell, consult your friends list (although I suspect yours is a very short one).

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

And once I get the answer to that, where do I pull the remaining 3-4 to have a proper six-man party? (Waits for it again...)

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There's no legitimate need for 6 man party to level any more and plenty of good reasons to keep it low man. But read up my earlier answer.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

And by the way, perhaps you all didn't catch the neat little memes that say "Oh look. It's this thread again." Perhaps that's because the options you say we have actually do not exist.

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I think the reason for those is not for the reason you think it is.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

So what you're saying is you want this game to be more "Adventure" than "RPG". God of War, Prince of Persia, hell even Zelda come to mind when all you're looking for are big fights and nice drops. That's not what this game is meant to be about, or any RPG for that matter.

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I'm not saying I want it to fit a label at all. The "this isn't a true RPG" absurdity is a high school clique "cook kids" label. A few years later most people realize the names don't mean anything.

You keep trying to take your personal preference for a passtime and objectify it, which is where the absurdity comes in. You don't get to personally define what an objective universal definition of RPG is, or even the idea that FFXI has to necessarily meet this definition if it even existed. I also assume if there was some legal obligation of what RPGs are meant to be, it would change over time. If not, I'd expect you to be buying consumables one at a time like I bought potions in FF1 in 1988. Man, what an accomplishment that was.

Again I'm going back to my high school kids that never left their hometown. There is a tremendous tendency to take the only thing you know and make it the "right way". For most people that fades as soon as college away from home slaps them in the face. For some it's a simple trip to another country, and others a career world with people of all age groups. But we can't even get you to try VW or other end game content, so I don't think there's hope yet.

Fun fact for Eyeballed.

You can get the feeling of danger attached to old school parties by trioing T-VT enemies, and if you do it right, you'll even get about twice the exp an hour compared to actual old school parties.

How's that for a middle path?

Before you say it's impossible or something, I did this about a year ago with two friends and it worked just as expected, we got about 30k/hour in the jungles. Naturally, you'd need a party with two strong DDs and one job that can both heal and buff. If this healer/buffer can also deal a tiny bit of damage, that's even better. On T-targets, even jobs with relatively low offensive stats can deal enough damage for it to matter. A good setup could be for example war/mnk, sam/war, cor/whm or maybe brd/whm. See, you'll even emulate the need for jobs that are in low supply!

You basically just go to the same camps as you'd go to with a full party, but just go there 5 levels later.

We're not doing it anymore though, because we don't really feel like spending so much time on leveling when we could spend that time better by farming dynamis, abyssea, or whatever else there is to do for duos and trios to do.

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Originally Posted by Ritsuka

I hope you bring the old Final Fantasy XI game back. Every sense abyssea the games turned into s$$t. Alot of older players think so as well and thats why they stoped playing the game.
I herd a rumor that they planed on making this game out to be like World of Warcraft. IF you turn this game into another WoW clone thats it for me.

I'm not really sure what to do about the leveling system either. Sense all the Newb's only want to do 18 man partys doing grounds of valor so when they do get high enough to do other stuff they have no idea what they are doing. There still quite of few of us who love to do the old 6 man party sets up but its more defacult now then it use to be even tho I'm still able to do it with enough shouting in town to find people to join. I've notice they put a cap on lower level pages in abyssea zone for lower level's, Maybe put a 1 game day limit on page's in grounds of valor would stop those 18 man party's and maybe not.

And on a side note would be nice to get male mithria adding to this game and battle choco's :D just my 2 cents hope you read it.

Regards
Loyal FF player sense 04

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You obviously missed the point in the game before level sync existed wherein it was astronimically impossible to find anyone to be able to party with and the point several months after level sync where it wasn't nearly as astronomical, but still nearly impossible to find anyone to party with.

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Originally Posted by Merton9999

I'm not saying I want it to fit a label at all. The "this isn't a true RPG" absurdity is a high school clique "cook kids" label. A few years later most people realize the names don't mean anything.

You keep trying to take your personal preference for a passtime and objectify it, which is where the absurdity comes in. You don't get to personally define what an objective universal definition of RPG is, or even the idea that FFXI has to necessarily meet this definition if it even existed. I also assume if there was some legal obligation of what RPGs are meant to be, it would change over time. If not, I'd expect you to be buying consumables one at a time like I bought potions in FF1 in 1988. Man, what an accomplishment that was.

Again I'm going back to my high school kids that never left their hometown. There is a tremendous tendency to take the only thing you know and make it the "right way". For most people that fades as soon as college away from home slaps them in the face. For some it's a simple trip to another country, and others a career world with people of all age groups. But we can't even get you to try VW or other end game content, so I don't think there's hope yet.

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How about instead of it being "This isn't a true RPG", we go straight for the gut and say "This isn't the game I used to play." It has very, very little to do with objectification as it does the style of gameplay this game used to deliver - which I preferred, shockingly enough. Again I say, if it was still here as you all claim it to be, then why are people still complaining? Are we all delusional?

On a side note, I'm originally from Texas and now live in the UK.

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Just reposting.

ps; I miss using teal/sz1

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

How about instead of it being "This isn't a true RPG", we go straight for the gut and say "This isn't the game I used to play." It has very, very little to do with objectification as it does the style of gameplay this game used to deliver - which I preferred, shockingly enough. Again I say, if it was still here as you all claim it to be, then why are people still complaining? Are we all delusional?

On a side note, I'm originally from Texas and now live in the UK.

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Wrong, this is the same game that you used to play, only better.

Don't forget that this isn't the first time the way people got experience points changed. People used to level in the tombs, the labyrinth, Bibiki, and on before RotZ and then sky became the leveling grounds, and things changed again with ToAU and again with WotG.

You're just being a child because you got left behind.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

How about instead of it being "This isn't a true RPG", we go straight for the gut and say "This isn't the game I used to play." It has very, very little to do with objectification as it does the style of gameplay this game used to deliver - which I preferred, shockingly enough.

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Your looking for a game that never changes? Buy a single player game.

This is an online game with thousands of players. Even if Square enix never made a single change to the game (and by some strange miracle people kept playing), the game would change regardless, because the people change. Your favorite old slow exp party scenario still exists, but the people who liked it don't like it any more. You don't want SE to change the game back to the way it was in 2005. You want SE to change the players back to the people they were in 2005. And they can't do that. To be honest, it's getting a little depressing.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

Again I say, if it was still here as you all claim it to be, then why are people still complaining? Are we all delusional?

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Yes, you are delusional. You keep complaining because nothing is being done about your complaints. It will likely never get done. Every one of these threads is the same. A couple of likes on the OP, and then the second post telling the OP that his idea is terribad ... with a ton of likes.

This particular thread's OP has hit a record high of 6 likes. That means there are enough of you to go start a party and leave the rest of us alone.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

"This isn't the game I used to play."

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I'm guessing because like how you seem to be now, you were stuck in the leveling area of the game. The exact part many people hated, and was changed. Now you don't like leveling how it is.

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It has very, very little to do with objectification as it does the style of gameplay this game used to deliver - which I preferred, shockingly enough.

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This is why it has been said you should leave FFXI. If you don't like it you should leave now because alot of others DO like it. Now if alot of people hated it, and only a few liked it, maybe there would be a good reason for change.

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Again I say, if it was still here as you all claim it to be, then why are people still complaining? Are we all delusional?

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It is there if you can find enough people who agree with you to do it. If you can not find enough people who agree with you to do it then yes, it can not be done as you wish. I wish I could do Assaults alone rather than with a group of 3 because I have had a hard time finding 3 people available to do it every few days. If you can find the people, you can do what you want, if you cant, then solo, you have that choice, you can do it, if you do not like it, then sorry but leave now, because almost no one wants this.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

I'm guessing because like how you seem to be now, you were stuck in the leveling area of the game.

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As appalling as it might sound to the rest of you, party grinding (as it used to be) was probably my favorite thing to do. After I moved on to FFXIV and found that there, too, was the same exact 'problem'. That in turn frustrates the hell out of me. There ought to be a game for you, and there ought to be a game for us. This was, at one time, that game for me, but it's been hijacked.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

How about instead of it being "This isn't a true RPG", we go straight for the gut and say "This isn't the game I used to play."

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It most definitely is not. This is completely different. But as I already pointed out to you several pages and frustrating replies ago, you did not buy a game. You bought a license for a service, the service being access to a game that SE is developing. Notice the "is" part. The game is in constant development. Which is why you also don't pay monthly for a game, but for a subscription to renew your license for another month. And which is precisely why you can choose to quit at any time when the service is no longer appropriate for you or does not provide you with the entertainment you desire.

And sure, as a paying customer it is your full right to come on here and complain. But this pointless arguing is really tiring.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

And sure, as a paying customer it is your full right to come on here and complain. But this pointless arguing is really tiring.

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It does take two to tango. A bit self-defeating in this statement.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

A bit self-defeating in this statement.

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None .

Isn't GoV "party grinding"? Sure, it's an expedited form of grinding, but party grinding nonetheless.

If you don't want to do GoV, then you're just being stubborn.

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Originally Posted by Modoru

Isn't GoV "party grinding"? Sure, it's an expedited form of grinding, but party grinding nonetheless.

If you don't want to do GoV, then you're just being stubborn.

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Keyword: Expedited. There was a tempo set a long time ago as far as rate of progression that in recent times has been replaced with a fast-forward button. If people didn't like that pace, they should have gone back to WoW and stayed there.

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Originally Posted by Modoru

Honestly "gathering groups" for party used to be very specific to certain jobs [eg, it was pretty hard for me to obtain a party as Thief unless I made it, and even then I had problems on occasion because I couldn't find a white mage, or a DD, or a tank, among other problems], and the grind to 75 wasn't a complete issue, it was fun to an extent, sure.

However: Meripo was tedious, admit it. Grinding on birds for ridiculous skillchains is as fun as grabbing dolls in altepa, except mages can do the damage instead of just DDs. The "endgame" for FFXI was stripped to the "elite few", where most of the player base was excluded, in linkshells that had an exorbitant amount of drama, flawed "lot point" systems, unrealistic entrance requirements [aka, you needed to have a decent amount of gear before coming in], and very, very corrupt leaders. Abyssea pretty much allowed everyone else to play on an equal standing and have a chance at good gear -- the "elites" just learned how to do it in lower numbers.

Abyssea wasn't a curse to this game -- it was instead, a boon, because it brought a breath of life to this game once more, facilitating a tedious process for newcomers and certain older players, allowing for more dynamic play and a faster pace.

I admit, it fell flat with the proc system -- it made many jobs obsolete, but other than that, it was still a decent design.

That said, these are just my opinions, but I highly disagree about abyssea being a problem.

Also: I'm pretty sure the reason why there's less people today isn't because of abyssea, but instead because the game is already past the decade milestone, and a lot of people got bored, or just moved onto something else, not because of abyssea.

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Can we please mention how my post and others in the first page were completely ignored because they seemingly entirely outdid their argument? Anyone? Please? Like, no counterarguments here?

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Originally Posted by Merton9999

In any case I don't even think your extension fails. If SE offered a faster leveling method than Abyssea I'd gladly take it, just like I'd teleport to Disneyworld if I could. The reason is that I know when I get there that I'll enjoy the real experience I'm looking for.

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What you don't understand about the 'trip to Disneyworld' is, is as far as the game goes, the trip itself is a game for some. And why not? Why doesn't that much deserve to be a part of the content if possible?

Although we disagree, it's been a pleasure to debate this with you, unlike the rest of these guys.

Because while you might want to take a car for eight hours to get there. Sitting in one spot for that long, hungry and in need of a bathroom totally isn't me. I prefer the two hour flight so I can get there earlier and enjoy myself longer. Why won't that get across to you? If no one wants to take the car with you so there's no one to take shifts driving so it takes you longer and your trip is further cut short, then so be it. But your not allowed to just stamp your feet and yell at me that I'm not allowed to take a flight that I have to pay for just like you pay for the gas to drive across country.

Make any sense now?

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

Keyword: Expedited. There was a tempo set a long time ago as far as rate of progression that in recent times has been replaced with a fast-forward button. If people didn't like that pace, they should have gone back to WoW and stayed there.

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Now it sounds like you're assuming everyone who plays FF11 instead of WoW does so because they liked 2001-2009 leveling speed.

I personally quit WoW because I found the lore, world and visual design boring/uninteresting/stupid. I can't say I miss the leveling speed from oldschool FF11 at all, but I do think that being stuck in a book alliance is pretty boring. It would have been more exciting if they gave us more varied methods to level up faster.

Using lolWoW as some sort of insult doesn't really make much sense. WoW did a lot of things right, but the few things that I personally didnt think they did right is what brought me back to FF11.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

Keyword: Expedited. There was a tempo set a long time ago as far as rate of progression that in recent times has been replaced with a fast-forward button. If people didn't like that pace, they should have gone back to WoW and stayed there.

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That's hardly valid? What's wrong with having a somewhat accelerated rate of progression? All it means is, you get to enjoy newer and more end-game content? FFXI is not, by any means, a WoW clone, and a faster grind does not make it similar in any way. The game is still rich with content, including missions, quests, gear hunting, etc, and you could never compare it to WoW. I have never played the game [at least, not by my own will], so why should I suddenly have to abide to your opinions as if they were a rule, and "go back to WoW"?

Ya know, I gotta wonder if the new producer is actually reading all this, I mean I know its not likely but~... never know. :x

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Ya know, I gotta wonder if the new producer is actually reading all this, I mean I know its not likely but~... never know. :x

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Quick, hide your torches and pitchforks!

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Originally Posted by Modoru

Quick, hide your torches and pitchforks!

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Psh~ I would raise them higher, show how much we do not like this idea!

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Originally Posted by Modoru

Can we please mention how my post and others in the first page were completely ignored because they seemingly entirely outdid their argument? Anyone? Please? Like, no counterarguments here?

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Because it is almost entirely composed of your opinion, and you have a right to it. You presented it well and without insults. All I can say is "I disagree".

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

Because it is almost entirely composed of your opinion, and you have a right to it. You presented it well and without insults. All I can say is "I disagree".

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It's become more then just opinion at this point. You need removed from posting or this thread needs locked because the only thing you've been doing is spamming this topic arguing with everyone just to argue. You're the oddball posting.

You lost long ago and continue to reply to everyone. It doesn't matter what they say you can't leave any comments unreplied. This single topic has taking your post count from two all the way into the 80's. This isn't normal when the topic is a flip'pen dead horse. Obviously, you are enjoying the attention. In fact, by what you said already you've made it clear that the majority doesn't want you to represent their interest.

On that note.

The intelligence of the developers reading this topic would only need to read a few post to come to the conclusion that you're nuts with an emotional selfish agenda. They'd also realize your just blowing wind to bump your topic. In any case if you haven't figured it out yet, even though you are getting this attention, gaining post count and keeping the topic bumped. The developer will have already concluded that no relevance is left in reading further.

Keep wasting your time the only thing you're doing is making the developers/playerbase ignore you more. Ignore as in realizing your post hold noting of value other then the thrill of arguing. In the amount of time you wasted on this topic you could've leveled RDM to 62 your slow way.

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Originally Posted by Modoru

Can we please mention how my post and others in the first page were completely ignored because they seemingly entirely outdid their argument? Anyone? Please? Like, no counterarguments here?

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It wasn't really ignored. The majority of the players agree with your statements; it's just something that's been said over and over.

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Originally Posted by Sarick

It's become more then just opinion at this point. You need removed from posting or this thread needs locked because the only thing you've been doing is spamming this topic arguing with everyone just to argue. You're the oddball posting.

You lost long ago and continue to reply to everyone. It doesn't matter what they say you can't leave any comments unreplied. This single topic has taking your post count from two all the way into the 80's. This isn't normal when the topic is a flip'pen dead horse. Obviously, you are enjoying the attention. In fact, by what you said already you've made it clear that the majority doesn't want you to represent their interest.

On that note.

The intelligence of the developers reading this topic would only need to read a few post to come to the conclusion that you're nuts with an emotional selfish agenda. They'd also realize your just blowing wind to bump your topic. In any case if you haven't figured it out yet, even though you are getting this attention, gaining post count and keeping the topic bumped. The developer will have already concluded that no relevance is left in reading further.

Keep wasting your time the only thing you're doing is making the developers/playerbase ignore you more.

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Wait, wait. Just because I have an opinion and am persistent in defending it means I need to be silenced? I argue that it's you and yourself keeping the thread alive; How about we get you banned from posting? ....

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

Wait, wait. Just because I have an opinion and am persistent in defending it means I need to be silenced? I argue that it's you and yourself keeping the thread alive; How about we get you banned from posting? ....

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The first part of my last post that you cut out explains why.

Keep wasting your time the only thing you're doing is making the developers/playerbase ignore disagree with you more. (FIXED)

No defense for that it's you that made this happen yourself. I cry sweet tears of joy every time I see a retort from you. You've become an inside joke to a few people who read this forum. I've been reading it for the laughs at this point. You've already defended your side and lost. The war is over. When I think of your comments I see a crazy person in a mental institution yelling in a closed padded room bring back houses, save the environment, it's the end of the world repent or something to that nature. I don't see someone whose defending an argument.

At this point you're being fanatic about what you think creating every excuse possible to stay a float on a sunk ship. Prove me wrong don't reply to me ever again.

Excellent link,
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/schizophrenia.htm

Seriously. people have read your defense there is nothing noteworthy worth listening to.

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Originally Posted by Sarick

Keep wasting your time the only thing you're doing is making the developers/playerbase ignore you more.

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What sweet gospel you sing! I suppose the last 31 pages are testament of this? Doesn't look like they're ignoring much to me.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

What you don't understand about the 'trip to Disneyworld' is, is as far as the game goes, the trip itself is a game for some. And why not? Why doesn't that much deserve to be a part of the content if possible?

Although we disagree, it's been a pleasure to debate this with you, unlike the rest of these guys.

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Some people just like disneyland and prefer to drive to disneyland, some ride bikes, some take planes or trains, some people walk there. But, the people who walk do not get to force people to stop using planes / trains / automobiles / bikes to get to disneyland, just because they don't have anyone to walk with. Anyone who can't understand why, probably lacks the mental faculties required to be left unsupervised.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

What sweet gospel you sing! I suppose the last 31 pages are testament of this? Doesn't look like they're ignoring much to me.

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It's a testament to everything I said. I can assume others agree by the amount of likes on the third post. I should have said disagree instead of ignore. It would have better acknowledged the impact of the responses.

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Keep wasting your time the only thing you're doing is making the developers/playerbase ignore disagree with you more. (FIXED)

No defense for that it's you that made this happen yourself. I cry sweet tears of joy every time I see a retort from you. You've become an inside joke to a few people who read this forum. I've been reading it for the laughs at this point. You've already defended your side and lost. The war is over. When I think of your comments I see a crazy person in a mental institution yelling in a closed padded room bring back houses, save the environment, it's the end of the world repent or something to that nature. I don't see someone whose defending an argument.

At this point you're being fanatic about what you think creating every excuse possible to stay a float on a sunk ship. Prove me wrong don't reply to me ever again.

Excellent link,
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/schizophrenia.htm

Seriously. people have read your defense there is nothing noteworthy worth listening to.

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I guess you can't help it. I bolded a part that you must have missed. Correction, nothing noteworthy to defend your argument. You do have a way of making comments that stir the pot with your infatuation. Don't confuse the responses with interest in your opinion. People are enjoying some of the post because It's like watching married with children. Technically, they're responding because everything is so backwards. For the record, the original poster conceded long ago.

Developers or representatives please answer this topic and say "We are not removing these experience methods from the game" :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Sarick

It's a testament to everything I said. I can assume others agree by the amount of likes on the third post. I should have said disagree instead of ignore. It would have better acknowledged the impact of the responses.



I guess you can't help it. I bolded a part that you must have missed. Correction, nothing noteworthy to defend your argument. You do have a way of making comments that stir the pot with your infatuation. Don't confuse the responses with interest in your opinion. People are enjoying some of the post because It's like watching married with children. Technically, they're responding because everything is so backwards. For the record, the original poster conceded long ago.

Developers or representatives please answer this topic and say "We are not removing these experience methods from the game" :rolleyes:

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I'm backward? Well at least I can give you everyone credit for keeping this thread alive in contrary to your their wish for it to die. Every time you respond to me in any capacity, you do this. What's more important, the game or what you consider your entertainment in this thread? Let's have a look...

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Ya know, I gotta wonder if the new producer is actually reading all this, I mean I know its not likely but~... never know. :x

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It would have to make it past the NA filters to get to the JP filters before it gets to him.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

I'm backward? Well at least I can give you credit for keeping this thread alive in contrary to your wish for it to die. Every time you respond to me in any capacity, you do this. What's more important, the game or what you consider your entertainment in this thread? Let's have a look...

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What was it we where arguing about again?

Eyeballed, I liked 2003 EXP back when it was 2003 and all I had to do was my algebra homework every night. When I had an internet boyfriend and the game was the only activity we had we could play together. When I had no in game friends and the end game activity was incredibly low. When I was leveling my first job to 75.

I liked it when I was 14.

It's been 9 years, can we please accept that the game is going to change? In two years it'll be nothing like it is today so we should enjoy what we have when we have it, and be thankful that the things we want changed get changed when they do. If you could somehow propose a method to make 6 man parties BETTER than they ever were 2003~2010 with complete accessibility to ALL jobs on equal footing, a plentiful amount of camp sites, monster types, and overall smoothness and speed of an Abyssea party, I will gladly support your call to return. Until then, I want EXP to remain fast and accessible to all via Abyssea.