NEO Nyzul 2.0

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Didn't know having 20 jobs made you good at this game, I thought it was the opposite. I was just clearly going on about how you used to think nin was good for neo nyzle lol. Saying its damage was fine compared to other DD. lol.

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You think having all jobs leveled is bad?

And so dies another thread with the exchange of unnecessary insults. I'll say this: having 20 jobs levelled is neither good nor bad. "I have a 99 xyz" is a moot argument when you can't play the job properly; not saying this applies to anyone, just saying that "having jobs levelled" is neither a positive nor a negative.

As for being a broken record, these are "official forums" not chatrooms; a few caveats and sideline conversations are fine, but the minute we start bickering and making uninformed, unsupported claims, or attack other members, we defeat the purpose of the forums.

We love to complain about how SE's dev team don't do anything of importance, yet we can't even stay on track about a simple thread without making things personal.

Keep your personal issues out of here, so we can keep these threads relevent to the issues at hand.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Didn't know having 20 jobs made you good at this game, I thought it was the opposite. I was just clearly going on about how you used to think nin was good for neo nyzle lol. Saying its damage was fine compared to other DD. lol.

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Was that the thread where miss "I'm so good I can clear floor 100 all the time said :

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

I'm pretty disappointed with this crap. How about an event with progression, where you actually work towards stuff.
NO MORE DUMB LUCK BASED SYSTEMS PLEASE.

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Or the one where you where you randomly started going on about how bad ninja was for no apparent reason when no one even brought ninja up, and then proclaimed that dancer was amazing in NI2.0?

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Originally Posted by Llana_Virren

And so dies another thread with the exchange of unnecessary insults. I'll say this: having 20 jobs levelled is neither good nor bad. "I have a 99 xyz" is a moot argument when you can't play the job properly; not saying this applies to anyone, just saying that "having jobs levelled" is neither a positive nor a negative.

As for being a broken record, these are "official forums" not chatrooms; a few caveats and sideline conversations are fine, but the minute we start bickering and making uninformed, unsupported claims, or attack other members, we defeat the purpose of the forums.

We love to complain about how SE's dev team don't do anything of importance, yet we can't even stay on track about a simple thread without making things personal.

Keep your personal issues out of here, so we can keep these threads relevent to the issues at hand.

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Agreed, I only made the comment because funny enough some jobs (at least RDM) have to level at least 15 to get a really nice WS piece since they don't get Twilight Helm. A forum is where we go to talk, share ideas, in this case we come here to tell SE what we think of what they are doing to their game. Some see faces they remember from other threads like these 2 and end up fighting in the thread stupidly, which harms the thread and also solves nothing. In any case people should just shutup and leave if they are going to do it, I mean look at the ADL thread, its a great show of derailment at its best!

Perhaps the devs should give time extensions for completing the ordered lamp floors in 1~2 tries? As it stands you cant beat an ordered lamp floor in time to get where you want to go without cheating.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

You think having all jobs leveled is bad?

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It does limit gear quite severely. No matter how many jobs are on the same gear the fact is it's simply not possible to gear all jobs to the best of your ability.

So I got this odd idea. They introduced the astrarium system where you can trade a bunch of level 20 wins for a piece of level 40 gear and such. Can we get an option that lets us use those to buy a KI that lets us start at that floor instead? Like. Say you hit level 40 consistently, you store up 20 win tokens that can be traded for a 60 floor gear, but instead of the gear you get a KI that lets you start from level 40 instead of level 1. That way you get a better chance at a run to 100. Nothing gets nerfed, people willing to put hard work into the event get a fair shake without modding the game or cheating, and it gives us a reason to aim for floors other than 80 and 100.

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Originally Posted by Chamaan

So I got this odd idea. They introduced the astrarium system where you can trade a bunch of level 20 wins for a piece of level 40 gear and such. Can we get an option that lets us use those to buy a KI that lets us start at that floor instead? Like. Say you hit level 40 consistently, you store up 20 win tokens that can be traded for a 60 floor gear, but instead of the gear you get a KI that lets you start from level 40 instead of level 1. That way you get a better chance at a run to 100. Nothing gets nerfed, people willing to put hard work into the event get a fair shake without modding the game or cheating, and it gives us a reason to aim for floors other than 80 and 100.

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Chances are if they did this it would be expended when you goto that floor to start. It is a good idea never the less, but I still see rages because people fought floor 40 boss 25 times, then they had their 6 runs with 2 of them getting to 100 and the others getting bad jumps/floors.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

It does limit gear quite severely. No matter how many jobs are on the same gear the fact is it's simply not possible to gear all jobs to the best of your ability.

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Not the best no, but soon you can get close. Honestly with the 3 VW gear sets and the NNI gear sets being put on storage slips now you will be able to hold alot of great gear with little space taken, between NNI, VW, and Emp+2 gear, most jobs are very well geared imo. However I will say yes it is harder to manage, myself I see more jobs as better, even if not the best geared if its truly needed you still have it, like MNK for blue procs in aby or SCH for NNI, Alex SMN for many things, all sorts of things you can benefit from just having the job, well geared or not, and so far as DDs go, much of their best gear is in VW & NNI which since it is soon to be storeable, I think we can safely say it will soon be easier to gear many jobs good/well/great, so long as space is mainly what you were referring to, if not then I'm not sure what, myself I think thats about the only big problem I have found ^_^;

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Originally Posted by Camate

On a separate note, it seems like some players are finding the lamp floors to be the most troublesome. I would be happy to submit any suggestions you have for improving this aspect of Nyzul, so please list them out and I will talk to the development team about them.

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Make the lamp order different than what you see with cheat tools (basically make the lamp order random) ? That's going to be fun. At least this way both cheaters and non cheaters are going to be on par. And it is going to have no effect if you don't cheat.

PC only servers please. Then cheaters can cheat all they want and platform players will have nothing to complain about.

I wasn't trying to claim that I have perfectly geared 20 jobs, or even that it would be a good idea. That guy saw that I have a kannagi, and can't let it go for some reason. So every time I chime in on a thread and say "I don't like this" or "they should change X to X", he chimes in about how ninja sucks in an attempt (I'll admit I'm a sucker for a good trolling every now and then) to derail my argument.

It's really not likely that too many people have mastered / geared 20 jobs. However, it's incredibly lame to act like a person can't be good at both Ninja and another job that is more well suited for Nyzul Isle.

I doubt SE will do anything about the current state, but the fact remains that all this content is incredibly cheap and repetitive. They should make this event easier. Not just because good gear should be accessible to everyone, but mainly because the event is too limited in scope to be fun for very long. The should have made an event that had more entertainment value if they wanted to make the gear so epic that it was going to require cheats / perfection and or months or grinding to get it.

They were lazy with this event and the result is that there are a few really good players and a whole bunch of cheaters who have the gear, and the rest of the population who are just alienated. I say this stuff because things are screwed up. I can flee hack and look through walls just as easilly as the next guy, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna pretend that's how it should be.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Make the lamp order different than what you see with cheat tools (basically make the lamp order random) ? That's going to be fun. At least this way both cheaters and non cheaters are going to be on par. And it is going to have no effect if you don't cheat.

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Most Cheaters have the armour now anyway.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

Most Cheaters have the armour now anyway.

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Yup they are wearing a bullseye of sorts for when the ban hammer drops.. They will be the 1st to go. They will not be missed.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I wasn't trying to claim that I have perfectly geared 20 jobs, or even that it would be a good idea. That guy saw that I have a kannagi, and can't let it go for some reason. So every time I chime in on a thread and say "I don't like this" or "they should change X to X", he chimes in about how ninja sucks in an attempt (I'll admit I'm a sucker for a good trolling every now and then) to derail my argument.

It's really not likely that too many people have mastered / geared 20 jobs. However, it's incredibly lame to act like a person can't be good at both Ninja and another job that is more well suited for Nyzul Isle.

I doubt SE will do anything about the current state, but the fact remains that all this content is incredibly cheap and repetitive. They should make this event easier. Not just because good gear should be accessible to everyone, but mainly because the event is too limited in scope to be fun for very long. The should have made an event that had more entertainment value if they wanted to make the gear so epic that it was going to require cheats / perfection and or months or grinding to get it.

They were lazy with this event and the result is that there are a few really good players and a whole bunch of cheaters who have the gear, and the rest of the population who are just alienated. I say this stuff because things are screwed up. I can flee hack and look through walls just as easilly as the next guy, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna pretend that's how it should be.

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My point was you really can't be well geared for 20 jobs, unless you want standard +2 sets and gimp sets all over. I have 7 jobs and that is all I can afford gear wise. And you were talking about ninja being as good as other 2 hand DD in neo nyzle, which made me believe, even before sch x2 4 heavy DD burn for neo nyzle, that you had no idea how to do damage or gear properly, so I checked you on ffxiah.com ONCE. I never said you suck at ninja and can't play other DD jobs, I simply stated you were uninformed that ninja is a lackluster DD compared to other DD out of abyssea. When someone throws an insult at you, you call them a creep, or a fat tryhard. You're almost as blind as pimpchan, who thinks mnk tp as fast as sam. It's impossible to talk to you because you're biased and childish. You think everything is an insult and yet you insult others. Back on topic. The gear is available for anyone with a proper job setup. All you seriously need is 2 sch with 500 enhancing magic(not that hard), 4 heavy DD. Gearing a heavy DD job isn't hard either. YOu can get by easily and efficiently with a sam/war stardiver draco couse, or a drk with an AH great sword and resolution. Just make sure for the love of god that you're using 26% haste and a decent ws set. You have to have decent gear. No, skill will not win this event alone, because every second counts, thus better gear = more damage = better win rate. Just keep at it and you will eventually get gear.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Not the best no, but soon you can get close. Honestly with the 3 VW gear sets and the NNI gear sets being put on storage slips now you will be able to hold alot of great gear with little space taken, between NNI, VW, and Emp+2 gear, most jobs are very well geared imo. However I will say yes it is harder to manage, myself I see more jobs as better, even if not the best geared if its truly needed you still have it, like MNK for blue procs in aby or SCH for NNI, Alex SMN for many things, all sorts of things you can benefit from just having the job, well geared or not, and so far as DDs go, much of their best gear is in VW & NNI which since it is soon to be storeable, I think we can safely say it will soon be easier to gear many jobs good/well/great, so long as space is mainly what you were referring to, if not then I'm not sure what, myself I think thats about the only big problem I have found ^_^;

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Most voidwatch gear is situational and usually not recommended to weaponskill in, or tp in. Please people, stop Tping in toci's harness on jobs like mnk dnc nin, it's a downgrade....

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Originally Posted by user201108211515

PC only servers please. Then cheaters can cheat all they want and platform players will have nothing to complain about.

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1.Console games are no longer made, the player base would die off slowly with no way to rebuild.

2.Friends would be separated due to playing on different platforms.

3.Ls members would be separated due to playing on different platforms.

4.People would lose mules due to using different platforms to run multiple characters.

5.Servers for consoles & PC would need reworked completely due to the fact you can currently use any character on any platform, it would need reworked to be specific.

6.The game would need to identify which you play on so it knows where to put you.

7.Servers would need reworked to condense players into smaller servers to even out player population.

8.AH stock & supply would be hurt due to fewer players.

9.Shouts, partys, and events in general would be much more difficult due to fewer players.

10.Linkshells would break apart due to too many people of 1 platform being in it, and thus making the current ls shrink to an unacceptable size.

11.Payment options would be reintegrated for console players, as to allow paying without a PC.

12.By doing this SE would go back on the idea of taking many platforms and having them all play together with one another, to my knowledge part of the reason why FFXIV will not be coming to the X-box, because Microsoft does not wanting them connecting it with other platforms.


These are just a few problems your idea would create off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more I can't be bothered to think of at the moment, but these 12 should hopefully give you an idea how this is BAD.


What you ask for is stupid, unlikely, and would hurt/kill the game. Shut up, stop suggesting it, and stop thinking everyone on PC cheats. You sound like a racist cop "I arrest black people all the time but whites almost never do crimes, we should just lock up or send away all the black people, that would fix our problems." it sounds stupid, it is stupid, it shouldn't, and wont, happen. SE has kept us all on the same servers for awhile, its how the game was made, its how its been played all these years, shut up with the "platform racism" and understand it would hurt this game more than anything you stand to gain from it!

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Most voidwatch gear is situational and usually not recommended to weaponskill in, or tp in. Please people, stop Tping in toci's harness on jobs like mnk dnc nin, it's a downgrade....

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Side Note:I was only speaking of storeable gear, this does not include shiny, only Ogier, Athos, and Rubeus for VW, but I do understand the limits of usefulness for this gear and reasons why it should not be fulltimed or used in most/all sets.

Ogier hands are best STP hands in the game, Rubeus hands are best enfeebling magic, Rubeus feet are great for all forms of skill if jobs do not have anything with more than +10 in that slot. Ogier head is great for tanking due to great -damage taken in that slot. Ogier body has decent haste while providing defensive traits as well such as -magic damage taken. Rubeus Spats are the best haste pants for most mages, be it for recast or meleeing they are nice. NNI gear, Heavy DD set has the best TP Head & Legs in the game for most or all jobs on it so far as I know. Mage set has the best MAB hands and feet in the game, best cure potency legs in the game, and a good nuking head. Light DD set is great for the jobs it is for as most can use everything except the head piece (which is swaped for AF3+2 head) and still cap haste while getting many amazing stats in general.

I am not saying they are the greatest pieces of gear but many are good/great, unstoreable gear like Ace's Leggings (which so far as I know is still the best feet for SAM & DRK TPing, not sure about DRG, not a big player of DRG...) are still multijobs and can be used as such, making them another potent piece of gear that takes little space. But its all in all a good list of good gear you can use and store now, I have no intent to super gear all jobs, but I will level them all and gear them at least decent, I have to level 15/20 at least anyways just for Maat's Cap because its the best CDC head RDM gets still...

That's the problem with people. And that is why they struggle, because they do not attempt to make the best of themselves. And they expect floor 100 gear to drop for doing an event for a half hour lol. All it takes is the right setup. People seem to be willing to spam pil and kaggen for those bodies for months, but won't give new nyzle a chance because they actually have to try for a half hour a day?.... Come on. If you want neo nyzle gear for no effort involved at all, level sch.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

That's the problem with people. And that is why they struggle, because they do not attempt to make the best of themselves. And they expect floor 100 gear to drop for doing an event for a half hour lol. All it takes is the right setup. People seem to be willing to spam pil and kaggen for those bodies for months, but won't give new nyzle a chance because they actually have to try for a half hour a day?.... Come on. If you want neo nyzle gear for no effort involved at all, level sch.

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The reason is the wait time I would think. Pil, Kaggen, these can be done as many times as you want so long as you have the people, where as Nyzul is only so long as you have tags which is at most 4 times in a single day. And SCHs only go so far, you still have to cap Enhancing magic, and work for the gear to get higher Enhancing magic. SCH is the easist of these jobs but still not a cake walk. I think its foolish an event is only able to be done effectivly with a certain setup, I would rather goto the idea of being able to play what I like and still be able to get what I want.

So far as people not trying to be the best they can be, I plan to make myself the best RDM possible, but even so, that changes nothing of the fact that other jobs I have leveled will never be worked on as much, your main is your main, chances are its where your heart lies and where you will spend most of your work and time to build upon. I am all for making myself a kick ass PLD since I already have some good gear for it and Emp/Relic swords, but it doesnt mean I plan to be a great or best possible PLD, its not my main. With VW/NNI gear you can be a highly effective DD, but all the same if its your main your more likely to put more work into it and push it to its limits.

Every event has it's strong suits for setups. Otherwise everyone would be sam.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

That's the problem with people. And that is why they struggle, because they do not attempt to make the best of themselves. And they expect floor 100 gear to drop for doing an event for a half hour lol. All it takes is the right setup. People seem to be willing to spam pil and kaggen for those bodies for months, but won't give new nyzle a chance because they actually have to try for a half hour a day?.... Come on. If you want neo nyzle gear for no effort involved at all, level sch.

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First off, understand that I'm not just picking at you. But the whole "level this, level that" is just bullshit mentality. Other mmos manage to involve a variety of jobs (or specs) in creating successful strategies to take down mobs and conduct raids. There's no reason whatsoever that FF can't do the same thing. It's utterly ridiculous that someone with whm, rdm, and blm (like I do) would have to level sch to do one frigging event. It's not my fault that SE decided to create an altogether redundant job and to compensate for it's overall uselessness (aside from being a subjob, which was SE's stated purpose for both dnc and sch) gave it a totally unbalanced and overpowered revamped 2 hour ability. Success in one event shouldn't hinge on abuse of such an ability, let alone two of the very same. That's just utter nonsense. I understand that some jobs are better at certain events than others but when the playerbase comes onto the official forums and says repeatedly that a very specific combination of jobs is absolutely necessary to come close to remotely succeeding, the event should be reassessed and adjusted.

I don't expect gear to be handed to me but I do expect developed content, which part of my monthly fees go towards, be accessible (especially when I have 7 jobs at 99) and have a reasonable chance of success without having a "chosen one" setup. Coming here and saying that not only do you need to abuse the embrava of not only one sch, but two, shows just how flawed the event really is.

And I don't care how easy it is to level a job. Boring is still boring. And after leveling, there's skilling up and gearing it. That time adds up, especially when you have family and a career and you play 2-3 hours every 2-3 days (and most of that is logging on for ls events). Needing specific setups to beat certain missions (like CoP) and events was bad design then, and it's still bad design now.

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Originally Posted by Aldersyde

First off, understand that I'm not just picking at you. But the whole "level this, level that" is just bullshit mentality. Other mmos manage to involve a variety of jobs (or specs) in creating successful strategies to take down mobs and conduct raids. There's no reason whatsoever that FF can't do the same thing. It's utterly ridiculous that someone with whm, rdm, and blm (like I do) would have to level sch to do one frigging event. It's not my fault that SE decided to create an altogether redundant job and to compensate for it's overall uselessness (aside from being a subjob, which was SE's stated purpose for both dnc and sch) gave it a totally unbalanced and overpowered revamped 2 hour ability. Success in one event shouldn't hinge on abuse of such an ability, let alone two of the very same. That's just utter nonsense. I understand that some jobs are better at certain events than others but when the playerbase comes onto the official forums and says repeatedly that a very specific combination of jobs is absolutely necessary to come close to remotely succeeding, the event should be reassessed and adjusted.

I don't expect gear to be handed to me but I do expect developed content, which part of my monthly fees go towards, be accessible (especially when I have 7 jobs at 99) and have a reasonable chance of success without having a "chosen one" setup. Coming here and saying that not only do you need to abuse the embrava of not only one sch, but two, shows just how flawed the event really is.

And I don't care how easy it is to level a job. Boring is still boring. And after leveling, there's skilling up and gearing it. That time adds up, especially when you have family and a career and you play 2-3 hours every 2-3 days (and most of that is logging on for ls events). Needing specific setups to beat certain missions (like CoP) and events was bad design then, and it's still bad design now.

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1. If you have whm rdm and blm, you should seriously have most of the gear for enhancing magic, and sch should already be level 49. 2. If you don't have the enhancing magic or the gear, go get it? That's already telling me you shouldn't be in the event with low uncapped skills. Noone is forcing you to do this event.

And thus we reach what's perhaps the most fundamental flaw of FFXI and perhaps MMORPGs in general. In order to truly succeed, fun must be sacrificed.

Of course I see Fupa is one of those, like many I used to see in ye olde HNM days, who'd tell others to level a certain job when they themselves would never do so. His SCH? Level 0.

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Originally Posted by Aldersyde

First off, understand that I'm not just picking at you. But the whole "level this, level that" is just bullshit mentality. Other mmos manage to involve a variety of jobs (or specs) in creating successful strategies to take down mobs and conduct raids. There's no reason whatsoever that FF can't do the same thing. It's utterly ridiculous that someone with whm, rdm, and blm (like I do) would have to level sch to do one frigging event. It's not my fault that SE decided to create an altogether redundant job and to compensate for it's overall uselessness (aside from being a subjob, which was SE's stated purpose for both dnc and sch) gave it a totally unbalanced and overpowered revamped 2 hour ability. Success in one event shouldn't hinge on abuse of such an ability, let alone two of the very same. That's just utter nonsense. I understand that some jobs are better at certain events than others but when the playerbase comes onto the official forums and says repeatedly that a very specific combination of jobs is absolutely necessary to come close to remotely succeeding, the event should be reassessed and adjusted.

I don't expect gear to be handed to me but I do expect developed content, which part of my monthly fees go towards, be accessible (especially when I have 7 jobs at 99) and have a reasonable chance of success without having a "chosen one" setup. Coming here and saying that not only do you need to abuse the embrava of not only one sch, but two, shows just how flawed the event really is.

And I don't care how easy it is to level a job. Boring is still boring. And after leveling, there's skilling up and gearing it. That time adds up, especially when you have family and a career and you play 2-3 hours every 2-3 days (and most of that is logging on for ls events). Needing specific setups to beat certain missions (like CoP) and events was bad design then, and it's still bad design now.

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I will agree you are correct about not having to lv certain jobs to do well or do certain events, however... SE made the mistake of adding powers like Perfect Defense and Embrava/Kaustra, these powers mean SE must now base every event in a way these will not make it to easy, however due to their power they can make no event doable without them. NNI for instance, you have to have Embrava, if they made it doable without Embrava then Embrava would make it to easy. An example of this failure is the lv95~99 limit break, the fight could have been fun & hard, however they didn't anticipate the Perfect Defense zergs, and so the challenge was lost because of this oversight.

These 2hour are great but they have also caused substantial damage to how events must be made and played, Legion is so far as I know still basically unbeaten or done by very few, in either case its difficulty is another branch of that I think, because with Perfect Defense & Embrava fueling 18~36 people you will have a massively over powered group, as such you need a massively over powered event to compensate. People would rage and "balance" would need done of either of these ability's were removed however so not alot can be done, I'm hoping the new 2hours will balance it some, not SE balance, but real balance. I hope they will give jobs with lack luster 2hours a chance to participate in events and 2hours arnt your only reason for existance...

As for the uselessness comment about SCH, SCH can nuke as hard or harder than a BLM if geared correctly, with weather manipulation it has the highest magic acc so far as I know so debuffs are no problem, it has regen and new enhanced Cure IVs, all in all I dare to say SCH was overpowered BEFORE Embrava came to pass, it just furthered the power of SCH to a godly amount, the reason SCH is used for little and BLM wins is because of procs, plain and simple, BLM is only used in procing events so far as I have seen...

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Originally Posted by Camiie

And thus we reach what's perhaps the most fundamental flaw of FFXI and perhaps MMORPGs in general. In order to truly succeed, fun must be sacrificed.

Of course I see Fupa is one of those, like many I used to see in ye olde HNM days, who'd tell others to level a certain job when they themselves would never do so. His SCH? Level 0.

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He has a heavy DD as a main though, which means he can get into every single type of event, everything else gets 1~3 events they can go to out of Abyssea/Legion/VW/NNI/Everything old... About the only thing Heavy DD cant do actually is Dyna, everything party related they can do though, so no need to level other jobs. As for fun being sacrificed, thats universal, there are always 2 ways to go about things that stand out, the efficient way, and the entertaining way, we know the advantage to both and draw back to both, and so we make that choice. The main thing to remember is if you can be efficient now, you can get things to have more fun later, however if you have fun now, you may never have that chance to get what you want.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

As for fun being sacrificed, thats universal, there are always 2 ways to go about things that stand out, the efficient way, and the entertaining way, we know the advantage to both and draw back to both, and so we make that choice. The main thing to remember is if you can be efficient now, you can get things to have more fun later, however if you have fun now, you may never have that chance to get what you want.

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The problem is there rarely is any fun to be had later. You're not sacrificing fun now for fun later. You're sacrificing fun for gear that only helps you do the stuff that you were just doing a little bit faster.

The problem with MMORPG developers, and SE in particular, is they tend to forget the G on the end and what it is supposed to mean. Nyzul 2.0 is a ridiculously glaring example of that, and they refuse to comprehend it.

The problem with the event is that it goes against SE intend to balance reward/effort. They wanted 100% drop rate with super hard goal to achive and they totally skipped the part where everyone uses third party that tremendously helps you. We could have had a moderate difficulty to reach last floor with 1% droprate but got 100% droprate for cheater and anger for non cheaters.

Even though salvage droprate sucked balls the event on itself was the best ever done, way to learn from the past.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

The problem is there rarely is any fun to be had later. You're not sacrificing fun now for fun later. You're sacrificing fun for gear that only helps you do the stuff that you were just doing a little bit faster.

The problem with MMORPG developers, and SE in particular, is they tend to forget the G on the end and what it is supposed to mean. Nyzul 2.0 is a ridiculously glaring example of that, and they refuse to comprehend it.

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Eh, I find it fun to get my new gear and go kick more ass with it than I did without it, the way you make it sound I wonder why any of us play this O.o?

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

The reason is the wait time I would think. Pil, Kaggen, these can be done as many times as you want so long as you have the people, where as Nyzul is only so long as you have tags which is at most 4 times in a single day. And SCHs only go so far, you still have to cap Enhancing magic, and work for the gear to get higher Enhancing magic. SCH is the easist of these jobs but still not a cake walk. I think its foolish an event is only able to be done effectivly with a certain setup, I would rather goto the idea of being able to play what I like and still be able to get what I want.

So far as people not trying to be the best they can be, I plan to make myself the best RDM possible, but even so, that changes nothing of the fact that other jobs I have leveled will never be worked on as much, your main is your main, chances are its where your heart lies and where you will spend most of your work and time to build upon. I am all for making myself a kick ass PLD since I already have some good gear for it and Emp/Relic swords, but it doesnt mean I plan to be a great or best possible PLD, its not my main. With VW/NNI gear you can be a highly effective DD, but all the same if its your main your more likely to put more work into it and push it to its limits.

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#1 you don't need 500+ enhancing magic to win nyzul.
#2 not hard to cap enhancing magic if you really wanted to. The "work," as you say, is minimal.
#3 the actual function of SCH in nyzul is menial. I would know because I use my mule as one of the SCHs... He just stands there.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

And thus we reach what's perhaps the most fundamental flaw of FFXI and perhaps MMORPGs in general. In order to truly succeed, fun must be sacrificed.

Of course I see Fupa is one of those, like many I used to see in ye olde HNM days, who'd tell others to level a certain job when they themselves would never do so. His SCH? Level 0.

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I have war sam drg. They can all be used for neo nyzle. And I have a sch mule. Sooooooooo........

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Or the one where you where you randomly started going on about how bad ninja was for no apparent reason when no one even brought ninja up, and then proclaimed that dancer was amazing in NI2.0?

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Ninja is terrible, and I dont recall ever supporting DNC for... anything. Except maybe saying it was better than NIN. Making baseless claims against someone and taking old quotes out of context is not good either. Those comments were made by me, before the announcement of the stopper, when Nyzul was almost entirely luck based. Without the stopper even if you cleared 25 floors, your chance of hitting 100 was like 5%. It is no longer luck based, if you get competent people together to do the event with, you WILL win a lot, and you will be able to get all the gear.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Eh, I find it fun to get my new gear and go kick more ass with it than I did without it, the way you make it sound I wonder why any of us play this O.o?

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You got the point I was going for. If this is the way SE is going to make things, then serious reevaluation of how many of us spend our free time is in order.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

I have war sam drg. They can all be used for neo nyzle. And I have a sch mule. Sooooooooo........

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The point is, don't ask of anyone else what you're unwilling to do yourself.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

You got the point I was going for. If this is the way SE is going to make things, then serious reevaluation of how many of us spend our free time is in order.



The point is, don't ask of anyone else what you're unwilling to do yourself.

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I have sch, so right now you just sound like a moron lol. I would level sch no doubt if it was the only way to get what I wanted. Did cor thf and war all for the same reasons, because they are useful. I have a sch mule if you didn't read it last time. Why would I gear sch on this account?.....

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

And I have a sch mule. Sooooooooo........

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So .. you cheat through dualboxing ¿ Back to start.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

So .. you cheat through dualboxing ¿ Back to start.

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How is that cheating lol? It simply means I don't have to sit around waiting for a whm to help me.
That's like me saying embrava PD is cheating. I'm not breaking any rules.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

So .. you cheat through dualboxing ¿ Back to start.

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That is NOT cheating.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

So .. you cheat through dualboxing ¿ Back to start.

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stop being a gimp? idk.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

I have sch, so right now you just sound like a moron lol.

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So, it's normally the more intelligent people who start with the insults?

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I would level sch no doubt if it was the only way to get what I wanted.

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That's why I leveled BRD back in the day. Huge mistake. I got the stuff I wanted for the most part, and rarely if ever got to use it. In the process of getting what I wanted I wasn't all that happy. Yeah that worked out real good.

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Did cor thf and war all for the same reasons, because they are useful. I have a sch mule if you didn't read it last time.

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Yeah, why would you when you can tell everyone else they should level it so you don't have to. That's usually how it was in the HNM days.

Maybe you did level that SCH mule, but I have my suspicions. Most people I know with mage mules inherited or adopted them from someone else. If so, you still haven't followed your own advice and leveled it yourself. You're having loads of fun on your DD job while someone else has to pull mage duty and if they can't you can grudgingly pull out the mule.

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Why would I gear sch on this account?.....

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What if it was the only way to get what you wanted?

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Originally Posted by Helel

#1 you don't need 500+ enhancing magic to win nyzul.
#2 not hard to cap enhancing magic if you really wanted to. The "work," as you say, is minimal.
#3 the actual function of SCH in nyzul is menial. I would know because I use my mule as one of the SCHs... He just stands there.

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1:You don't need 500+ Skill no, but also you don't need gear to hit 400 which is the next lower major benchmark... Naked SCH has 404 with Light Arts (which you should be having at almost all times because nuking in this event is minor/worthless) 420 with merits, and you need +2 hands to cap effectiveness, so bar hands, you can be naked and still do well capped...
2:Capping no skill is hard, only time taking, which was my point, it takes time and effort to do unless you bot it, which is cheating, which is what we are trying to avoid using to win.
3:My setup we always have 1 SCH at the start and 1 that moves around with the DDs healing & buffing them with Regen/Adlo/Phalanx/Haste, having 1 at the start is great but other should work, as such there is no reason for both of them standing around, the other should be doing something, you only have experience of SCH from a mule. No one will ask you as a mule to go around and buff everyone while keeping HP up as well when the other SCH can do that, unless you have both stand at the start in which case... theres something wrong.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

So, it's normally the more intelligent people who start with the insults?



That's why I leveled BRD back in the day. Huge mistake. I got the stuff I wanted for the most part, and rarely if ever got to use it. In the process of getting what I wanted I wasn't all that happy. Yeah that worked out real good.



Yeah, why would you when you can tell everyone else they should level it so you don't have to. That's usually how it was in the HNM days.

Maybe you did level that SCH mule, but I have my suspicions. Most people I know with mage mules inherited or adopted them from someone else. If so, you still haven't followed your own advice and leveled it yourself. You're having loads of fun on your DD job while someone else has to pull mage duty and if they can't you can grudgingly pull out the mule.



What if it was the only way to get what you wanted?

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Because I simply couldn't abyssea burn my sch up. It's not that hard to make a mule. Your just out to try to make me sound bad lol. Are you seriously trying to tell me I am a liar and that I am not willing or capable of making a mule? I'm done talking to you. Adapt if you want reward. If you don't enjoy it, quit.