Legion still sucks.

I think the only thing they did right is dynamis, but even dynamis is unbalance, like only 4 zones get used pretty much or the proc system that sucks. But as far as fun/reward/ratio goes it wins hands done ([planable]relic for everyone or money for everyone even solo)

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Still dreaming on legion gear not sucking I see.

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Still misinterpreting what people say and talking in absolutes I see.

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Originally Posted by Mahoro

Grossly exaggerated, and actually dangerously discriminatory in its rationale: "LS A had shitty rules that people could bypass through brown-nosing or sexual favors. Therefore, all LSs have shitty rules that people can bypass through brown-nosing or sexual favors." Strange to see this argument echoed in 2012.

That being said, I agree that Abyssea was a great injection of gameplay for FFXI, but after awhile even that great event gets boring and people want to move on to different things. There have been times during Abyssea activities that I literally have found my eyes fluttering down to close out of boredom since the content is so toothlessly easy now.

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Honestly people give abyssea the "easy mode" but do they really know what their saying? We out leveled Abyssea so fast that we never actually played it at it's designed difficulty. Visions was for level 80 players, Scars for 85 and hero's for 90. Abyssite of Discernment did not exist for the first two expansions which made "procing" vastly more difficult. 200K brews didn't exist until after you beat Shinryu which is supposed to be one of the "final" boss's. Apadamek is a PITA at level 99, at 90 he was one hell of an annoying NM, so annoying that you just brewed him rather then deal with his BS. We still brew him at 99 so we don't have to deal with his aoe moves. So yeah abyssea is "easy" now for the same reasons AV because "easy" once they raised the level cap. If someone wants "challenge' then go and fight Apadamek with a group of 6 and no Atma / Crour / Brews buffs and tell us about how "easy mode" it was.

Mahoro I know there are a few good EGLS's out there, but the vast majority of them exist for the purpose of enriching and gearing their leaders and leaders friends. If your not inside the "in crowd" then your not getting priority on any gear and will be last in line for everything. Once the leader and his friends have acquired everything they want, suddenly they'll have the desire for a "break" or whatever and the shell will dissolve.

And I understand those LS existed, but I would venture to say they were never the "vast" majority (which by the way you underlined it, you likely mean 75% or more). And the ones that have actually survived to 2012 have survived in great part because they are not like that, or if some are, they are in the vast minority now.

Re Abyssea: I completely agree. I actually preferred it at level 80 cap. In fact, my favorite was Visions, before the RR/Minikin dozefests began (speaking from a WHM lv. 90 perspective btw). I am not sure we can say with certainty whether Abyssea's "designed difficulty" was lv 80 cap, or whether they always intended to introduce the overpowered Atma and Abyssites. You are assuming content that was introduced in installments was also designed in installments. I do know it is possible not to design an event as "challenging" as Legion or as arbitrary as Neo-Nyzul, yet not as neutered as Abyssea became at lv. 90.

I am aware I could render any event as challenging as I want it by level syncing or going without buffs. However, that does not ultimately serve as an excuse for designing it as such. As for not doing Abyssea with atma, I already do. It's essentially called Voidwatch. Where the atmacite aren't nearly as good as the atma, yet I have most of the temps from Abyssea.

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I think the only thing they did right is dynamis, but even dynamis is unbalance, like only 4 zones get used pretty much or the proc system that sucks. But as far as fun/reward/ratio goes it wins hands done ([planable]relic for everyone or money for everyone even solo)

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I'd say Limbus was their best event. Tiered progression, some nice upgrades for almost everyone, coins that could be split up and used to purchased some strong gear, and Homam was awesome (Nashira had some good pieces but the comparison isn't even close).

I really hope they don't mess up New Limbus.


As for old EGLSs being bad. Most of them got big because they were good and got people stuff. Most people who claim their EGLS experience was crap is simply because they probably chose very wrong. One of those "we accept anyone stupid enough to join" shells instead of a shell with a proper list of requirements.

Dynamis balanced?

Yes, the event is far superior to the old style dungeon crawl in terms of individual rewards but in terms of things to do outside farm currency? The NMs are all over the place in difficulty. You have alot of Arch NMs that were useless from day 1, Arch DL and Diabolos' both involve zerging for your life (terror and deathspam lol), anything outside JA procs are a waste of time, EXP trials for augmented gear totally shit on certain jobs and the arch boss rewards are about deep as a kiddie pool.

Issues of congestion in COP zones have been met with no changes leaving cities completely desolate outside the odd flag run. Relics have gotten easier but the new content in Dynamis is largely trash.

Also, Abyssea with a few things scaled back would be exactly the challenge everyone desires but believes could only exist without Abyssea. The devs are fools for simply throwing away an idea that worked simply because it got out of hand towards the tail end of the expansion.

Limit things to one Atma, drop the cruor buff potency, leave brews at 2m cruor per use, keep the ??? pop NMs, maintain the key item and treasure system, require more items for the magian trial rewards, randomize procs and you'd have an event that completely blows anything away we've got since Heroes.

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

I'm not sure how pessimistic to feel. Someone help me feel the correct amount of pessimism.

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you could always be a career DRK asking for escape.

This event is only for the more High elite player base.

For success in legion you need something only 5% of the player base have.

Not is enough have good gear
Not is enough play Well your job.
Not is enough have knowedge.

This 3 things are only a part of what is necesary. For success in legion you need 18 or 36 players EXCELING in their jobs.

Elite players show they are the kings "Playing". When i mean playing. Not in a forum shuting mouths, not in jueno standing with Shiny gear, not playing "Pretty". I repeat you need show you EXCEL your job.

DDS have years parsing their events and doing MASSIVE damage in every event they play. You need speed, timing and brain for excel using DD job. Not everyone can be a Elite DD.

Healers with bionic fast fingers and give a total calm when you know x person is your healer.

Dedicated Tanks give calm the entire ally.


Probably with the Legion nerf then this event will become more accesible for majority the player base.

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Originally Posted by CrAZYVIC

This event is only for the more High elite player base.

For success in legion you need something only 5% of the player base have.

Not is enough have good gear
Not is enough play Well your job.
Not is enough have knowedge.

This 3 things are only a part of what is necesary. For success in legion you need 18 or 36 players EXCELING in their jobs.

Elite players show they are the kings "Playing". When i mean playing. Not in a forum shuting mouths, not in jueno standing with Shiny gear, not playing "Pretty". I repeat you need show you EXCEL your job.

DDS have years parsing their events and doing MASSIVE damage in every event they play. You need speed, timing and brain for excel using DD job. Not everyone can be a Elite DD.

Healers with bionic fast fingers and give a total calm when you know x person is your healer.

Dedicated Tanks give calm the entire ally.


Probably with the Legion nerf then this event will become more accesible for majority the player base.

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what the? i can't.