Legion still sucks.

[Luvbunny]

Abyssea is the crack that keeps on giving, made the game super fun to solo, trio, small groups or dual box. Gives you tons of stuffs to do. Great resources of gill. Overall grade A+++ in terms of crack addictiveness, accessibility, and fun. Big LS dead right and left? Good riddance!!! Never really like big end game LS of yesteryears where only small handful of members get special treatment, and if you don't like to brown nosing, you get zero. I like what abyssea did, you can log in, go play, absolutely ZERO waiting on stuffs you want to do. Unless you want to do post abyssea content, in which case wait for shouts, and pray your jobs is XYZ or sorry, party is full, or go back level xyz jobs and not some LOLs jobs.

People complained that abyssea breed lazy players.... I am sorry, don't blame the content, blame the people, lazy players are just that, lazy people who never take the time or effort to try learning the intricacy of their jobs - no matter how fast or slow they get their level. They exist in 2003 and they still exist now.

[Return1]

I've never said Abyssea is the reason people are bad at the game. I'm just saying it helps facilitate it. Why?

It removes a lot of the danger and learning you had before.

It's extremely beneficial to leech or accept gimps into your group. With the way groups for exp are set up you'll benefit more by adding that gimp to your group than by competing with them. Also, you can leech millions of gil a day in Abyssea EXP groups. Just show up and get into a giant alliance as a low level job with empty space in your inventory. Each cruor is just over 2.6 gil each, and you can AH or NPC the crap load of drops you'll wake up to.

By making it beneficial for players to team up with competition and adding superpowers that matter far more than your gear ever did, Abyssea has helped gimps become far more prevalent since people no longer boot them from parties en masse and they aren't hindered as much by their own crappiness.

Big LS dead right and left? Good riddance!!! Never really like big end game LS of yesteryears where only small handful of members get special treatment, and if you don't like to brown nosing, you get zero.

Spoken like a person that either had a crappy ls or couldn't get into a decent one. Just curious as to your gear, as from what I've seen in your posts around this forum, you seem to hate people having a little something I like to call "Reasonable standards".

[Luvbunny]

I don't hate reasonable standards, I do not care about elitism however, it is a game, you play for fun. Again, blame the player mentality. As for danger and learning, old xp party is pretty much doing the same. You don't really learn much via abyssea alliance or normal xp party of the old yesteryear. Their main goals is to get xp as fast as possible in the most efficient ways. SE helped us with abyssea and pretty much removed that one hamster wheel. You learn a lot more about your jobs by doing a low man NMs contents, since you really have to understand your job well to survive and need to work together as a group. There is a huge difference with well run small groups vs a group with a bunch of clueless people. Big LS are dead because the game has changed, you no longer need them for the majority of the contents. I am happy where the game is going, it is not perfect, there are a few issues, but overall hopefully going to the right direction. The ability to log and play with minimal waiting is the best thing that ever happened to this game. And the various options to do things are amazing now. Old school play style never really go away to be honest, but the majority of players pretty much shun it and go with the new school, but there are others who still want the good old days. Well, they are still here, just find others who have similar needs. OPTIONS, FREEDOM, LOG and PLAY no more waiting.

[Mahoro]

Abyssea is the crack that keeps on giving, made the game super fun to solo, trio, small groups or dual box. Gives you tons of stuffs to do. Great resources of gill. Overall grade A+++ in terms of crack addictiveness, accessibility, and fun. Big LS dead right and left? Good riddance!!! Never really like big end game LS of yesteryears where only small handful of members get special treatment, and if you don't like to brown nosing, you get zero. \

Grossly exaggerated, and actually dangerously discriminatory in its rationale: "LS A had shitty rules that people could bypass through brown-nosing or sexual favors. Therefore, all LSs have shitty rules that people can bypass through brown-nosing or sexual favors." Strange to see this argument echoed in 2012.

That being said, I agree that Abyssea was a great injection of gameplay for FFXI, but after awhile even that great event gets boring and people want to move on to different things. There have been times during Abyssea activities that I literally have found my eyes fluttering down to close out of boredom since the content is so toothlessly easy now.

[Luvbunny]

Not all LSs are bad, but in general they always have their own little groups of people who are higher in the food chain than everyone else. No waiting apply mostly to abyssea contents, all the post abyssea ones require some sort of waiting unless you have a LS that do weekly void watch where they only add 6-8 people as needed etc.. And yeah once you get tired with Abyssea, there are those other options of new activities, with very low drop rates on gears, designed to keep you spinning the wheel over and over. Voidwatch is not as bad though and they are improving it with each updates, more so than Neo Nyzul and Legion.

[Mahoro]

Fair enough. See, it's only when people talk in absolutes that makes me cringe. I mostly agree with your last post though. Although even in my LS, while there are a few more popular or skillful players with the shell, the points system is blind to it and treats everyone equally.

[Luvbunny]

I think the game now has more options than before. There are enough contents for small or large Ls to do. A tons of stuffs for hardcore or casual players to consume. Tons of magian trials to do. Just so many contents, while not all are great, at the very least they still update and improve some of them with each updates. At the end of the day, people need to stop blaming too much on the game, yeah it can add to the cause, but most of the problems are caused by the player base. Big LS die because people get tired of waiting, or members jump LS when they don't see their needs being met, it's people problem. If you happen to be in one where such problems don't exist, then congratulations, since those LS still do exist, though not that many anymore.

[MarkovChain]

Some of the lower-wave items are indeed stinky ;; Looks like they backloaded all the good stuff in the final waves and final chamber.

Still dreaming on legion gear not sucking I see.

@ sparthos

It's funny, I've said that legion sucked the day it was released ( was known to suck the day it was released on the test server), I've also said that its drops where garbage one week after release by deduction. It's ok it's going to be Nyzul III. I'm surprised noone mentions how Nyzul is an entire pile of crap too, maybe cos the drop arent awful ; you never see anyone do Nyzul, I swear I see more people doing assault. Gathering 6 persons to win the lottery and hope you roll 9 10 times in a row, hoping those people aren't too bad and that the NM drops what you want and that you don't get outlotted .. Oh wait I think I know why nobody wants to do it !

Ok now look at legion, it's the same crap but you need 3x more, you need to outlot 3x more people, for a gear 3xworse, and this time you need specific jobs like an army of SMN (also called it one week after release ) .. and you have to pay for it lol !

-If you're going to require 18 people then make the rewards worth it. Heavy Metal, Currency, Rare synthesis materials amongst other valuable loot or no one will care. This event has been dead since day1.

Lol, atcually it was dead by the time the first person entered it on the test server and insta died, then it died a little more when they "organized" a couple of runs on the test server.

[MarkovChain]

Of course though SE can't be arsed to make anything appealing so you end up with garbage like Triplus Subligar. Hold the phone, we're gonna send 36 people into a zone for gear with:

DEF:40 Accuracy-20 Attack-10 "Subtle Blow"+10"Triple Attack"+5%

or

Damage taken +2% Enemy critical hit rate -5%

Sorry for being late to the thread, but this confirms my initial thought that legion is so cheaply designed that they made it in an afternoon. One more stuff that people will forget just like

- VNM
- Walk of echoes (anyone remember? lol)
- The evolith system
- Nyzul II
- and now legion

I'm probably forgetting some

edit : ok anyone remember the NM system from the Past Beastmen HQs ? The pixies fight from several past zones where you have 5 chances per day at augmenting a weapon that a best equals the best AH gear ? Hey guyz let's put a gob outside of Jeuno that randomly gives you crap with 99.99% chance ?

[Monchat]

as far as battle content goes, add:

-fomor NMs ( than spawn in [S] dungeons) but I guess that's linked to evolith
-FoV and ASA/MKD/etc augments (so random..)
-Sea NMs that they always refused to touch
- GoV (didnt see a lot of complaints here, but the only time I tried it you had to kill mobs with 15mn repop timer for hours). GoV is good for one thing: speed power-levelling a job 1~30 in 2hours.

The things they did "ok" after abyssea was: dynamis, fafnir/dadamantoise/behemoth, ZNM (the zeni update), sky augments, VW.