Job Adjustments manifesto Discussion

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Originally Posted by Finuve

as some one in the DRK forums put it, SE is trolling us

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On behalf of all Red Mages...welcome to the club? >.>;;

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Read the opening comment about RDM and thought SE had put the BRD description in the wrong place:

"Support specialists who excel at transforming their allies from mere mortals into demigods with their enhancements."

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This a thousand times over. Part of me keeps hoping that's an editing error. Would have been nice if they acknowledged any of the discussions on our forums, too.

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Originally Posted by Habiki

And these job adjustments barely scratch the surface of our ambitious plans! Expect to see the following alterations and improvements as well.


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•Additional Planned Adjustments

•Weapon skill refinements

•Adjustments to enfeebling magic

•Revisions to job-specific merit point enhancement attributes.

Did no one read this, suprised to see so much complaining in the thread, when everything could end up being better then what any of us envision. Their Vision of each jobs role is more exciting then any of their proposed changes or additions thus far.

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So I can look forward to my Infernal Scythe dmg going from 400 to 500dmg? woot woot..

No. I think you meant to say "On behalf of a few very vocal Red Mages."

On behalf of the Red Mages who excel in their spellcasting roles and like it that way, Thank Altana.

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Originally Posted by Zoner

So I can look forward to my Infernal Scythe dmg going from 400 to 500dmg? woot woot..

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No you can look foward to all your weaponskills getting a boost. Just because theres a new ability that raises the amount of damage the dark knight takes, but also raises the amount of magic and elemental weapon skill damage it deals, doesn't mean you should only use infernal scythe now to make the most of the new JA.

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Originally Posted by Habiki

No you can look foward to all your weaponskills getting a boost. Just because theres a new ability that raises the amount of damage the dark knight takes, but also raises the amount of magic and elemental weapon skill damage it deals, doesn't mean you should only use infernal scythe now to make the most of the new JA.

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So I can look forward to my Shadow of Death dmg going from 150 to 200dmg? woot woot..

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There fixed it, happy?

All told, think the developers nailed it allmost perfect. Top DD jobs are top DD jobs, support roles stay support roles, etc.

Pup, well looks like making the whm pup good for anything beyond status removal, giving Harly and rdm spells beyone level 50 and 72 are still out, can't really see a justification but I'm sure there is one, just not a rational one.

Pld it looks like they still want it to be a tank and they are giving it some tools to deal with how game balance has become totally screwed, not sure they'll be adequate but at least it's an attempt.

Rng, this stuff has needed to happen for years! Some hate control! Assume they'll get some benefit from the damage calc changes that were announced for all jobs.

Drg, not sure, they say they'll do something about how wyvern is so easily 1-2 shot, but the most obvious one-giving it some defense-doesn't appear on the menu.

Bst-ok, I got issues here. Uber pets that do an Odin? What about the call beast timer, because they'll probably be on it. So we get one super move and then for 4:57 (- whatever u got in merits) we are without a pet at all? A bst without a pet is known as a gimp warrior, and soon becomes a corpse.

Brd-Requiem is going to work again? excuse me, I have to go change my pants...

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

Bst-ok, I got issues here. Uber pets that do an Odin? What about the call beast timer, because they'll probably be on it. So we get one super move and then for 4:57 (- whatever u got in merits) we are without a pet at all? A bst without a pet is known as a gimp warrior, and soon becomes a corpse.

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Yeah.... sounds like fun

and by fun, I mean suckage

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Originally Posted by Nebo

THF - If Steal/Aurasteal/Despoil recast timers aren't seperated and lowered to start with there is no point in wasting update resources on these. They will still be useless.

The success rate of steal/despoil is not the issue. It is not even the point. The problem with these abilities is that they are useless, poorly designed, and mashed together in a way that makes no logical sense.

Aside from the fact that steal/despoil don't work on NM's or most worthwhile endgame content, there are a total two things worth stealing in the entire game. Increasing the success rate of Steal is not going to address this.

But if you are increasing the success rate of steal with TH, Aurasteal NEEDS to be a seperate ability. If not, dispelling enemies that have useless (I cannot stress this enough) items to steal will become very difficult. But again, Aurasteal should have never been attached to Steal from the start. Stealing an enhancment effect should have never had anything to do with stealing an item. It is simply absurd.

No amount of increasing the success rate for Despoil is going to fix that ability if you don't address what is wrong with it. Inflicting enfeebling effects should have nothing to do with stealing USELESS (are we getting this yet?) items. Despoil should seek to steal the enfeebling effect it inflicts, not items. If Despoil is going to be made useful at all, it needs to be specific. This variable enfeeble that it inflicts now is of no use to anyone. It doesn't work on anything worthwhile, it inflicts effects that have no use whatsoever to the monster type you are fighting (Hello Magic Attack down on mobs that don't use magigc YAY!). Despoil was a complete waste of multiple update resources. Upping its success rate is not going to fix it. Don't waste your time.

More party only restrictions on job abilities....more useless enmity manipulation garbage....more giving away everything that is unique to THF.

GG, SE. GG.

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This sums up my feelings about the thief changes pretty well.

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

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Oh sh--

I just thought of something.

Comet.

Oh if that's true, the rage from the BLMs.

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i thought of Ultima

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Originally Posted by Duelle

On behalf of all Red Mages...welcome to the club? >.>;;
This a thousand times over. Part of me keeps hoping that's an editing error. Would have been nice if they acknowledged any of the discussions on our forums, too.

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you mean all the troll that ask rdm to become mele job?
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The BST ability has potential but only if executed properly. Infact, the quick pets only make sense if you can call them along side your normal pet much like NPCs can.

If you can use these super pets in addition to your jugpet/charmed ally then BST just got a DPS bump so long as the damage isn't terrible. Being able to call out a large pet to deal some damage then vanish like avatars has potential.

I know alot of people complain about Charm getting no love but at this point it makes more sense to make better jugpets, make Sic/Ready quit sucking (the TP attacks are pathetic) and work on improving BST DPS through the pet.

If every 76+ jugpet had an aura effect, that'd be even more inline with giving the job utility.