It's complete speculation to assume the 99 Mandau will give THF an edge over DNC that Twashtar can't. You have no clue how the 99 Mandau will compare to the 99 Twashtar. Besides, who is to say the 99 Empys won't get a boost of some sort too to keep those weapons on par with relic? Should DNC be 'taken off' Twashtar in that case? Of course not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull
I'll even give you the benefit of the doubt and say the 99 Mandau WILL give THF the substantial edge on DNC you seem to feel it so rightly deserves and that adding DNC to it would eliminate that. So what? There's four other jobs in the mix here that you are not factoring in to your very polarized opinion. Why should they be left off relics because SE hasn't "kept THF and DNC in balance"?
The fact is, right now, Mandau is no different then Twashtar and adding DNC to it would have no effect on job balance. Your only reasoning for not wanting DNC on it is simply because you're frustrated at the way SE has been handling the job balance in general between DNC and THF, which while maybe justified, is an entirely different argument and belongs in another thread, so in all due respect, please kindly take it there. Thank you.
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11-02-2011, 10:12 PMBriarb19
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11-02-2011, 10:36 PMFrankReynolds
This is just silly. THF is not the only job on mandau. Thief needs work, but it has nothing to do with dancer being better. Please don't ever bring that useless POS Ternary up.
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11-02-2011, 10:52 PMNeisan_Quetz
SE's form of irony: Make Dnc useful at farming relic, but be unable to use one itself.
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11-02-2011, 11:46 PMAarahs
Please stop talking as though dancer could only wield twashtar or mandau if they were added to it. If dnc was added, why would they not wield both at once? They do have dual wield.
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11-03-2011, 01:15 AMRohypnolOnly thing you'd get for off-handing Twashtar would be the stat boost. No weapon skill or aftermath.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarahs
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11-03-2011, 02:32 AMAsymptoticPlease cry more. Your tears are delicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull
Actually, I have an Empyrean. Mythic is broken at this point and will be for at least another 6 months. I would like DNC to be added to Twashtar, BLU to Excalibur etc. so I have motivation to participate in content in which I've never really had the chance to participate because none of my jobs have been "Relic" jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
BLU can already equip several longswords including Almace, Mandau is actually just a reskin of the Parrying Knife, which DNC can wield, . Sch can't normally equip hammers and PUP can't normally equip Cesti; but, they can equip Molva Maul and Heofon Knuckles respectively, so that kind of invalidates this argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
Expansion of old content to new people who otherwise might not bother, giving them something else to do in this game with limited relevant content, thus continuing to get their $12.95 month after month. That, and it would require virtually no development time. Obviously, a lot of people care or this topic wouldn't continue to come up. And Empyreans being a "better choice" is completely irrelevant. Since when has SE released only "better" gear with updates?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
My dad Q. And his dad Q. And his dad Q. And I'll be darned if my son R! Therefore Q.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
They raised level caps. They turned Dynamis into low-man daily-entry content. They gave DNC/BLU/THF native dual wield. Sorry, but appeal to tradition just isn't going to work here.
"This change that a lot of others seem to want isn't something that interests me, and even though it would have absolutely no negative impact on my enjoyment of the game either, I don't want it to happen because really, this game is all about me."Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
I feel like "completionist" is a personality type that is pretty common in MMO players. Anyway, to reiterate, it's mostly to expand content to additional people. You don't have to participate in it, but it's absolutely blind to argue that it wouldn't have a positive impact on SE getting peoples' $12.95 while having no negative impact on the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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11-03-2011, 02:34 AMAsymptoticEspecially considering the whole Great War story behind the Relic weapons. DNC and SCH had pretty huge roles in all that. They really should have been retro-added as soon as WotG came out. it's more of a gaping story hole that these two jobs specifically are NOT on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankReynolds
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11-03-2011, 03:55 AMDaniel_Hatcher
I agree on SCH and DNC, the rest should NOT be added on Relics.
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11-03-2011, 04:02 AMcidbahamutWhy not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher
Corsairs shoot things with guns and there is a gun relic.
Puppetmasters punch things and there is a punching relic.
Blue Mages stab things with swords and there is a sword relic.
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11-03-2011, 04:13 AMAlhanelemLookie here, we just invented a new logical fallacy!Quote:
Sorry, but appeal to tradition just isn't going to work here.
If there is no precedent for something, it reasonable to assume based upon that things that may or may not happen in the future. That doesn't guarantee you're going to be right, but past action is often indicative of future action.
The number of $12.95s affected by this is probably so small I could count it on my fingers and toes. It would seem pretty fickle to me to quit or not quit based on whether or not DNC gets added to the relic dagger (or insert any other job/relic) and that person was likely ready to quit already.Quote:
but it's absolutely blind to argue that it wouldn't have a positive impact on SE getting peoples' $12.95 while having no negative impact on the game.