This thread AGAIN, please, fix WK.

As the manager of numerous IT projects including development of various software applications, I can tell you this much. This level of communication and or usage of end user input would not bode well for my career.

There's a million different ways they could remedy this. I already named my favorite, which is adding / increasing the rewards in the form of new currencies like bayld / plasm. They could also make these drop craft items for equivalent gear, or make it possible to sell the gear so that it is worth repeating or make it possible to trade the gear to an npc in some exchange system IE. trade 5 bullets for 1 weapon etc. etc.

Releasing / leaving it like this is silly because you just know that if you don't get all the gear in the first few week, the odds increase dramatically that they will either make it super easy to get right after you finish busting ass to obtain it, or they will release something that renders it obsolete right after you obtain it.

It was annoying, but expected when they released gear that was 2% better than whatever piece you had worked a year on, but it still felt worth it cuz it was only 2% worse and it was probably gonna take a long time to get the next piece anyways, so it wasn't like the piece wouldn't see some use. Now they release a piece that's 50%-100% better every month or two, so if you don't get the first drop right off the bat, you may as well wait for the next one to come out.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

As the manager of numerous IT projects including development of various software applications, I can tell you this much. This level of communication and or usage of end user input would not bode well for my career.

There's a million different ways they could remedy this. I already named my favorite, which is adding / increasing the rewards in the form of new currencies like bayld / plasm. They could also make these drop craft items for equivalent gear, or make it possible to sell the gear so that it is worth repeating or make it possible to trade the gear to an npc in some exchange system IE. trade 5 bullets for 1 weapon etc. etc.

Releasing / leaving it like this is silly because you just know that if you don't get all the gear in the first few week, the odds increase dramatically that they will either make it super easy to get right after you finish busting ass to obtain it, or they will release something that renders it obsolete right after you obtain it.

It was annoying, but expected when they released gear that was 2% better than whatever piece you had worked a year on, but it still felt worth it cuz it was only 2% worse and it was probably gonna take a long time to get the next piece anyways, so it wasn't like the piece wouldn't see some use. Now they release a piece that's 50%-100% better every month or two, so if you don't get the first drop right off the bat, you may as well wait for the next one to come out.

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Yeah I agree

Have an idea ill post as a new thread

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Thanks for putting me on stage. Although the lighting must be from party city. You don't have photoshop?

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After an 1h30 fight against Hurkan, got 25k Bayld from overall evaluation, 2250 Bayld as a reward at end with a pretty common Velkk Mask and ... nothing.

Yes, I probably got the grip or the axe and since I had them both already, nothing drop I know. For the worst part, those two item are useless to me and yes I already did the quest and took the Great Axe (seems I shouldn't have despite loving it).

Honestly I could care less if you want to make fun of me. I've written 2 guides, posted several ideas to the DEV team in hopes of helping them see our concerns just as the rest of the people who come here to complain, rant, and still complain after the Devs heard you, made adjustments to make it better than before the adjustment but still not good enough.

Difference is, I've been trying to present ideas, not show how ungrateful I am even though I may not think I'm satisfied by the new change, at least now I know to be patient and give them a chance. Yes I use to rush and rant before but now I'm seeing they are doing a better job which is why I was defending my opinions and tried to tell all of you what I was seeing, and why i think we should give them a chance.

I Interact with others and all I see is people like you when you trash another person which has nothing to do with the topic discussions. Which I find immature and pathetic unless you are a child. Because a reasonable adult wouldn't act like this.

What are you doing to help others other than trash people? You can hate me all you want but I have reasons to be on the forums just as you.

At least my reasons are to help others, help the Devs, and have some decency to be respectful in the process.

Yes I will debate with those asking for something unreasonable like "We deserve the best rare drop for spending 10 hours or 10 fights because we think it's unfair" I'd agree if it was a mediocre item but that's not the case.

If your idea of FFXI is to have it easy for you, my reasons for playing this game is the challenge, earn my items so I can actually enjoy what I've earned rather than feel like I wasted time putting endless hours for items people can get easily.

What's the point of having rares to begin with? Which is what I've been saying this entire time.

And because you don't agree with me, you find the need to take the extra step to put me under a spotlight and trash me.

Yes I have to proof read and have help correcting my post because my English is not very good. I'm Korean that's why.

Which is why you should know that people from different cultures will have differences and no one will think the same as you.

Please, rare has just been a stamp in this game for years simply meaning that you could only hold one.

The grip is "rare" and yet people go 6/10 on it.

Every time we kill Tojil, he drops 2 swords or 2 oats, and those are rare too.

Edit: Pixie Earring is rare, but i'm 8/8 on that so far =p

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

Please, rare has just been a stamp in this game for years simply meaning that you could only hold one.

The grip is "rare" and yet people go 6/10 on it.

Every time we kill Tojil, he drops 2 swords or 2 oats, and those are rare too.

Edit: Pixie Earring is rare, but i'm 8/8 on that so far =p

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But rare doesn't mean all of them are on the same level as each other.

Why else Fajun boots drop easier than Coruscanti? You give the example of 6/10. That's nothing compared to 1/30, 1/200, 1/600, or 1/2,000+. Difference is you are fighting a way harder boss.

Are these items mediocre compared to defending ring? Yet the cost to buy a King Behemoth pop, party requirement to hunt for defending ring. To me this is harder than attempting to fight something that drops better items with multiple chances of getting something plus earn a decent amount of Bayld back to play it again.

Wish KN give half the Gil back it cost to pop him.

That was exactly my point. Rare means nothing. Difficulty of the boss doesn't matter, it's how hard SE thinks we should work for drops.

When you're depending on the entire server to come together, play properly, on decently geared jobs, it's a pretty bad plan.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

That was exactly my point. Rare means nothing. Difficulty of the boss doesn't matter, it's how hard SE thinks we should work for drops.

When you're depending on the entire server to come together, play properly, on decently geared jobs, it's a pretty bad plan.

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So you are saying earning an item like Tamaxchi should be easier than it already is? I'd rather spend my time earning this than a Mythic.

I'd rather have the ability to get people and play the boss than wait an entire week standing on 1 map waiting for it to pop and then worry about losing claim from someone else.

I mean I hated the fact that only 18 people could fight over 1 drop from HNM when LS brought additional parties to swap dead people and still kill each other over who deserves the drop.

And yeah hundreds of people did show up to watch. What else could they do? Someone else already claimed it.

I guess I'm the only person who sees and appreciates this.

I mean I thought they did make it better than before.

If I was a DEV I can't see any better way to implement HNM then how they did now. When SE made WoE easier, conflict was, flux always limited to 36 people but guess what happened? People destroyed flux in less than 15 minutes making all items worthless.

And now barely anyone play after getting everything the wanted.

You are completely missing the point.

It is not about the personal contribution towards victory. You need many many people to play properly, on the right jobs, and those jobs need to be well-geared.

Unlike old endgame, you have no control over most those people. If someone wants to come as perle warrior, you can't stop them. I like that anyone can enter, but the event requires people to come on jobs suited to the task.

Again, in a good fight, I don't even cap bayld. I'd rather come on war, drk, or whm, but the best job I have to the task is PLD.

I don't know how else to explain it, but if those 3 things don't come together, it's going to get nasty, and any Hurkan or Tree that doesn't have a good Aegis or a competent RUN, along with tons of summoners and ranged jobs is going to be a long long fight. 6 hours later, people needing to do other things go hide in a corner and pray that they don't die.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

You need many many people to play properly, on the right jobs, and those jobs need to be well-geared.

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You answered what I've been arguing about. There's many people complaining about events like these based on "I dedicated 27 hours for Yumcax" and not looking at it from this point of view.

And then complain Devs need to make it easier. To me sounds like "I don't want to take up the challenge, I'm not patient enough to find the right people or wait for others to be properly geared to do this event, I don't have time to fail and rethink my strategy and because these people were not well prepared wasted my time, I blame you DEVs for making it this way."

When I'm saying don't blame the Devs, they are trying to make it better. SoA is new, wait til people actually get better gear and upgrade those Delve items to Rank 15 and wait for the people to catch up. Look at the differences now than back in the old days HNM existed?

We did Delve with REM when it first released, earned 3-5k plasm per run. Now we earn 9k after people caught up and became well geared.

Which is why I said not everyone is on the same page as you as in not everybody is end game with the best gear ready to be on your level.

Had WR been only limited to 18 people like most other events, sure there is more control but SE made it so anyone can join. And well people in Perle armor showing up and not being able to participate only tells me they need to go back and work on their gear because this is End Game. Not some common event for every single person not ready.

And people who can't do something refuse to figure out why they can't do it other than group up the majority of people who feel the same way and make it a living hell for the DEV team. When I'm seeing that it's NOT IMPOSSIBLE." They already did adjust it to make it easier than it was before based on complaints. If I already see several people in town this early running around with WR equipment, can't imagine 2-3 months from now. Which would only mean making it easier will make the event die faster.

Like I said you can't be a one man show. It's not about 1 person making a massive difference. It's about everyone making a difference as a team.

Then people like me see people begging for these events to be adjusted easier makes me feel like "Please nerf the challenge because we can't do it and refuse to figure out why," while I sit and think I wish the event was more challenging. And then people say I'm the one who is just a casual player noob and my opinion doesn't matter.

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And then complain Devs need to make it easier. To me sounds like "I don't want to take up the challenge, I'm not patient enough to find the right people or wait for others to be properly geared to do this event, I don't have time to fail and rethink my strategy and because these people were not well prepared wasted my time, I blame you DEVs for making it this way."

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Exactly. I am not patient enough to find the right people. This is a server wide event, not an alliance of people that can be led. I can't remove people from the group for being terrible or detrimental. You even agree with this.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

When I'm saying don't blame the Devs, they are trying to make it better. SoA is new, wait til people actually get better gear and upgrade those Delve items to Rank 15 and wait for the people to catch up.

We did Delve with REM when it first released, earned 3-5k plasm per run. Now we earn 9k after people caught up and became well geared.

Which is why I said not everyone is on the same page as you as in not everybody is end game with the best gear ready to be on your level.

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Gear is important, but people coming on the right jobs is 90% more important. If you don't have the CORs or SMNs, the fight will take forever.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Had WR been only limited to 18 people like most other events, sure there is more control but SE made it so anyone can join. And well people in Perle armor showing up and not being able to participate only tells me they need to go back and work on their gear because this is End Game. Not some common event for every single person not ready.

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You have no control over those people. I can't tell that person to work on his gear.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

And people who can't do something refuse to figure out why they can't do it other than group up the majority of people who feel the same way and make it a living hell for the DEV team. When I'm seeing that it's NOT IMPOSSIBLE." If I already see several people in town this early running around with WR equipment, can't imagine 2-3 months from now.

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Uh. Some people get lucky with drops. You put 100 people in a battlefield, somebody will get something nice. Congratulations for locating those people. Over time, more people will luck into a piece of equipment they can equip in town for you to check.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Like I said you can't be a one man show. It's not about 1 person making a massive difference. It's about everyone making a difference as a team.

Then people like me see people begging for these events to be adjusted easier makes me feel like "Please nerf the challenge because we can't do it and refuse to figure out why," while I sit and think I wish the event was more challenging. And then people say I'm the one who is just a casual player noob and my opinion doesn't matter.

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Is it a challenge? Or is it just an annoying and painful mess of an event with terrible item distribution mechanics?

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Originally Posted by detlef

Exactly. I am not patient enough to find the right people. This is a server wide event, not an alliance of people that can be led. I can't remove people from the group for being terrible or detrimental. You even agree with this.

Gear is important, but people coming on the right jobs is 90% more important. If you don't have the CORs or SMNs, the fight will take forever.

You have no control over those people. I can't tell that person to work on his gear.

Uh. Some people get lucky with drops. You put 100 people in a battlefield, somebody will get something nice. Congratulations for locating those people. Over time, more people will luck into a piece of equipment they can equip in town for you to check.

Is it a challenge? Or is it just an annoying and painful mess of an event with terrible item distribution mechanics?

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And you only want to see the negative and respond to the bad and never acknowledge the good side of things. No matter what the Devs do you need to understand creating a video game with extreme limits doesn't just have one side of it.

Make it easier, then people get everything and the events become dead. Make it harder people get frustrated and quit.

Balance is not easy. For something as big as this. Something you do learn in game programming.

Making the Devs life harder is not going to get what you want faster. Especially if they just adjusted WR. I'm just saying lets be patient.

Otherwise if they did follow our every complaint WR would have to adjusted every day for the rest of FFXI existing life.

It's like playing tug a war with a rope. Only at this point little changes could have big effects and that's why Devs have to becareful. Big changes can have crashing effects. If this was a game between 2 players, easy. But this about thousands of players on every server. The more people the greater effect.

Which is why I understand Devs not making big changes we always expect.

And if this doesn't tell you the man hears you, acknowledges that he needs to work harder and that he is struggling. Then you are being inconsiderate and ungrateful from my POV.

Ever since Adoulin was released, I feel like the player base is decreasing with every update, and it seems like this is going to continue.

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If it seems that way, it's just my inadequacy and I will do my best to work harder on this.

There are times when I get a bit hung up thinking about how to respond to dissenting opinions and criticism, but I will do my best to grasp the real meaning and make the appropriate response.

As a result of this there are times when I do not make direct replies to feedback, and as I am not always quoting text it may seem that your feedback is being ignored. Also, there are cases it might feel this way when you don't receive an answer to certain things you were expecting and the subject continues to shift.

The way everyone thinks is different, and while a universally accepted answer is not very realistic, I will continue to do my best to ensure that I connect my responses to our position and conclusions that can be easily understood.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

And you only want to see the negative and respond to the bad and never acknowledge the good side of things. No matter what the Devs do you need to understand creating a video game with extreme limits doesn't just have one side of it.

Make it easier, then people get everything and the events become dead. Make it harder people get frustrated and quit.

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This is a forum for feedback, you see. It is our only connection with the devs. Okay, so we know that you have to balance between players getting items too quickly and the longevity of the event right? Now, with that in mind, don’t you think that we players have every right to say that things are messed up right now? Think about what the real, legitimate gripes are. Think about how Achuka, Tchakka, and Colkhab are, and how the Yumcax and Hurkan differ. I’ll make a list for you:

Original Naakuals
-Each NM has 4-5 drops, each of which had an approximately equal drop rate.
-Large battlefield that allowed room for recovery as well as a fairly safe fighting area.

New Naakuals
-Each NM has 6 drops, which do not have equal drop rates. 2 of the 6 are much more likely to load.
-Small battlefield that does not allow room for recovery without very real possibility of MPK.

Peoples’ main complaint is that you’re likely to get the grip and bullet from Hurkan or the neck and cape from Yumcax over and over. That is a legitimate complaint, especially when you compare it to the original Naakual drop system, which wasn’t skewed toward the crappy drops.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Balance is not easy. For something as big as this. Something you do learn in game programming.

Making the Devs life harder is not going to get what you want faster. Especially if they just adjusted WR. I'm just saying lets be patient.

Otherwise if they did follow our every complaint WR would have to adjusted every day for the rest of FFXI existing life.

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If we do not speak up, then the likelihood of things being changed is decreased. As I have said, the event has a finite lifespan. Have you ever noticed how applause dies down? At first, a few people stop clapping, but as the remaining people notice this, the applause decays quite rapidly. The same thing happens with large scale content.

Knowing that it is going to die, I am an advocate of giving the players what they want before this happens. Otherwise, if the event dies and the vast majority of players haven’t gotten what they were after, was the event really successful? I say no.

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Originally Posted by detlef

This is a forum for feedback, you see. It is our only connection with the devs. Okay, so we know that you have to balance between players getting items too quickly and the longevity of the event right? Now, with that in mind, don’t you think that we players have every right to say that things are messed up right now? Think about what the real, legitimate gripes are. Think about how Achuka, Tchakka, and Colkhab are, and how the Yumcax and Hurkan differ. I’ll make a list for you:

Original Naakuals
-Each NM has 4-5 drops, each of which had an approximately equal drop rate.
-Large battlefield that allowed room for recovery as well as a fairly safe fighting area.

New Naakuals
-Each NM has 6 drops, which do not have equal drop rates. 2 of the 6 are much more likely to load.
-Small battlefield that does not allow room for recovery without very real possibility of MPK.

Peoples’ main complaint is that you’re likely to get the grip and bullet from Hurkan or the neck and cape from Yumcax over and over. That is a legitimate complaint, especially when you compare it to the original Naakual drop system, which wasn’t skewed toward the crappy drops.

If we do not speak up, then the likelihood of things being changed is decreased. As I have said, the event has a finite lifespan. Have you ever noticed how applause dies down? At first, a few people stop clapping, but as the remaining people notice this, the applause decays quite rapidly. The same thing happens with large scale content.

Knowing that it is going to die, I am an advocate of giving the players what they want before this happens. Otherwise, if the event dies and the vast majority of players haven’t gotten what they were after, was the event really successful? I say no.

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Ok but speak up from having your facts straight. You never once admitted the direction Matsui has been trying hard to fix and make better with improvements such as the ones I stated already.

It's better than waiting 1 entire week parked on the same map 24/7 and then worry someone else will claim boss. Heck even waiting for your entire team to show up before you lose claim because you couldn't even hold the boss til they showed up and because other teams got there before yours did. Only to feel rage that you wasted 1 week of your life waiting staring at the sand.

(Yeah I was that guy who waited the full week real time, told HNMLS the moment it popped because they promised to let me lot only to be screwed and say sorry we lied to you now go run off and cry.)

It's better than spending Gil on pop item like King Behemoth when you also gain a decent amount of Bayld back.

It's better than everyone has a chance to get a rare than kill each over competing who gets to lot in an 18 man alliance. "THAT'S IF ANYTHING DROPPED AT ALL" only to wait another week real time for the chance of losing claim again.

Its better after the new update reducing the cost of purchasing Ki 50/75k or less than 100k. And still you can get it reduced further by having rank.

It's better that reives are now easier than before allowing everyone to also earn Bayld faster and kill reives blocking the way to WR.

It's better that they adjusted Colonization rate to last longer than not being able to use waypoints because no one raised the rates.

It's easier that we can cap colonization rate faster than before.

Are you ignoring these changes? These differences?

Don't enter the event with half the server not prepared yet because they don't want to waste their time earning the proper gear or had the time to prepare themselves because the event is new and fresh expecting to get the best and didnt and then complain it needs to be easier in such a short time since the content was released because that only tells me you only want to give up and not even consider anything other than "I want my items now, not later because its all about me myself and I."

That means this event was definitely not made for you.

Challenge doesn't only mean boss fight. The challenge means everything else as in finding the right people, the right jobs, the right strategy.

If people don't have the Bayld to buy Kis then part of the challenge is also time and waiting for people who are ready.

I don't care if it takes 10 hours. 10 hours playing a boss means i spent 10 hours with you! 10 hours of learning how you play with me as a team! To me my main focus is not about the drop. Yeah it sucks if you don't get anything.

To me it's also about the fun of playing with others, showing my skills and how hard I worked practicing them. Because you barely get to show what you're made of. If I didn't get a drop? So what others most likely didn't either so I'm not the only person.

Unless that has absolutely no value then why are you playing an MMORPG to begin with? Why people don't help each other out because too many people don't care about anything else other than "I didn't get my item."

You sound so fixated on just the drop from the event and nothing else. You claim you play longer than me but it sure doesn't tell me that.

He gave us the content and all we do is complain and complain and don't even give him the chance to adjust it throughout time because no one is ever satisfied.

Had he NOT adjusted anything at all then I can totally agree with you 100% but to adjust it and make it easier and then complain again is why I'm debating with all of you.

Again I truly feel sorry for Matsui.

Present your idea yeah, complain and put the man down by insults, rants, and how disgusted you are is another.

To me he did change things for the better. Is it perfect? No. But it's better than we had it before. And to give us that is enough for me to appreciate what we have now.

Btw OP, I never disagreed with your current concerns. I started off only commenting that I didn't agree making rare drop a guarantee all because it takes too long.

But also, Matsui already addressed several of our complaints with WR not too long ago. And that I believe we should give it some time because he needs to see how these changes make a difference before deciding to further adjust things. That's the real thing about video games effecting a massive amount of people. You can't just make a drastic adjustment like WoE which was a good example as to how WR would have turned out if they did make it that easy. A quick rush to get the items only for everyone to stop playing the event all together and to me that would suck.

Obviously you feel very strongly about your faith in Matsui but when you're trying to speak favorly, in any light, of 10 hour fights, you show that you're not going to be swayed.

You're not debating, you're cheerleading.

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Obviously you feel very strongly about your faith in Matsui but when you're trying to speak favorly, in any light, of 10 hour fights, you show that you're not going to be swayed.

You're not debating, you're cheerleading.

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Yeah because I use to spam WoE every single day and now I can barely find anyone interested to go. I'm sure you can understand why I've been so defensive.

People got what they needed and now the event is barely living. You may do event for the items. I did it for fun, friends, and items was only the extra bonus.

Had Matsui not told us about changing his take on roadmap and lay out 2 months of content, then come through on his word and communicate with us, then my faith would not even be there however I did make a topic that stated.

"Show us your word through updates and stop telling us you will do something and give us false hope. That will tell us you are listening."

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...n-you-DEV-TEAM.

Since he kept his word I believe in him now than I did a few months back and I'm sure he does read our comments.

Seriously I've been paying attention to his actions and his responses.

There are two methods to try to keep people coming--

Reward them so that they want to keep coming or make an event which they feel like they have to endure.

Aside from abyssea, SE's preferred method has remained the same for a long time.

It's funny, that Delve, the harder event, has a better reward structure. Delve requires coordination and proper gear (the new m.acc clubs are some people's entire magic.acc kits now >.>), and while the new weapons have made lol of this delve, they'll be baseline for new delve, or just above it. That 200~ skill on all those weapons isn't going to make lols of new Delve.

Naakual on the other hand, you can throw bodies at it til it dies... It will take a very very very long time doing that, but it will work, unless a wild maintenance should appear. The rewards are as appealing but the design is deliberately awful.

SE knows that grip is awful. The only one who might have interest in that grip is a RUN tank, because we can't swap offhand slot for WS making that grip largely unappealing. It's no accident that it's at the top of the loot table.

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There are two methods to try to keep people coming--

Reward them so that they want to keep coming or make an event which they feel like they have to endure.

Aside from abyssea, SE's preferred method has remained the same for a long time.

It's funny, that Delve, the harder event, has a better reward structure. Delve requires coordination and proper gear (the new m.acc clubs are some people's entire magic.acc kits now >.>), and while the new weapons have made lol of this delve, they'll be baseline for new delve, or just above it. That 200~ skill on all those weapons isn't going to make lols of new Delve.

Naakual on the other hand, you can throw bodies at it til it dies... It will take a very very very long time doing that, but it will work, unless a wild maintenance should appear. The rewards are as appealing but the design is deliberately awful.

SE knows that grip is awful. The only one who might have interest in that grip is a RUN tank, because we can't swap offhand slot for WS making that grip largely unappealing. It's no accident that it's at the top of the loot table.

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True but look at it from this point of view. I'm sure Delve was in the works way before WR. He had to release SoA to give people some hope that they are not forgetting us.

Nakuul is suppose to be further out in the expansion but I'm sure he didn't intent people skipping the Tier design of his overall vision which lead to skipping skirmish etc.

The thing we all said is that maybe he didn't know his fanbase and our capabilities that well. And now it seems he has been trying hard to repair that failure.

Which is why I've been trying hard to let you people know what I'm seeing. Last 2 updates has shown a reasonable amount of effort to say "Hey I know I screwed up, but rather giving up in failure, I'm working on it, it's not easy and I will do my best."

Capabilities, nothin'.

They forgot why they introduced "double weakness". If it's at all possible, the most earnest 'tards among us will zombie something till it dies. Combine that mentality with NMs where waypoints were placed on top of them and it wasn't even zombie'ing but homepoint zerging.

It clearly evidenced that they don't know their playerbase at all.

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Capabilities, nothin'.

They forgot why they introduced "double weakness". If it's at all possible, the most earnest 'tards among us will zombie something till it dies. Combine that mentality with NMs where waypoints were placed on top of them and it wasn't even zombie'ing but homepoint zerging.

It clearly evidenced that they don't know their playerbase at all.

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Matsui implemented that? He did give us Arise though. It's better than nothing. Even makes WHM more valuable.

May not be the improvement everyone wanted but the fact is, it's an improvement.

Although I wish they'd reduce the 3 min recast because the spell itself cost 300 MP. Not like WHM have all the MP in the world to spam the spell... >.>

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Matsui implemented that?

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No, but simply because you do not make parts of the game does not mean you can ignore the reasons for previous adjustments to things, a MMO is a living game, things change all of the time, someone in charge needs to know what has happened in the past and understand why. So even if he did not make things like Double Weakness, he should understand why it was done in the first place. Which is what I assume you are asking if he implemented.

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He did give us Arise though.

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Arise is from Legion & Provenance, both of which came out before Matsui was in charge, so he did not give us this any more than he gave us Abyssea, Legion, VW, or anything else before he was in charge.

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No, but simply because you do not make parts of the game does not mean you can ignore the reasons for previous adjustments to things, a MMO is a living game, things change all of the time, someone in charge needs to know what has happened in the past and understand why. So even if he did not make things like Double Weakness, he should understand why it was done in the first place. Which is what I assume you are asking if he implemented.

Arise is from Legion & Provenance, both of which came out before Matsui was in charge, so he did not give us this any more than he gave us Abyssea, Legion, VW, or anything else before he was in charge.

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Ok but do still think that's more important than the bigger issues he's been working hard to fix?

I see SoA expansion as a very big project. Not like adding 1 or 2 maps and a couple of features.

I'm pretty sure he has a lot of pressure especially with REM disaster even from the JP community trying to make it work smoothly. Even I thought SE released SoA too soon without proper care and thought.

Implementing 2 jobs and fixing them because I remember how I hated Geo before enhancing the power of Geo spells, reduce Spellcasting, implemented Handbell and Geomancy (Although I didn't agree making it fall under the rest of magic Combat skill Merits)

Point is, I see them doing something about it rather than ignoring everyone who complained. He may not be answering "EVERYTHING" but its clear to me he isn't just sitting in the studio sipping coffee hanging out with the DEV team reading comments all day and ignoring them.

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Ok but do still think that's more important than the bigger issues he's been working hard to fix?

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That depends on what part of it you mean. I think its very important to know where you are coming from in order to figure out where you are going, I think it is more important to figure out what he is building on and the people who will be playing what he builds on it, rather than to simply build more things.

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I see SoA expansion as a very big project. Not like adding 1 or 2 maps and a couple of features.

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As do I, but if you are working on such a project is it not easier to fix issues you create as you go than to simply leave the issues there and come back to fix them later? Especially in the case of how this game is going right now, where by the time it is fixed the amount of people who care will be minimal, and the capacity to do it at all will be very much diminished?

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I'm pretty sure he has a lot of pressure especially with REM disaster even from the JP community trying to make it work smoothly. Even I thought SE released SoA too soon without proper care and thought.

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It was, that I think everyone can agree on.

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Implementing 2 jobs and fixing them because I remember how I hated Geo before enhancing the power of Geo spells, reduce Spellcasting, implemented Handbell and Geomancy (Although I didn't agree making it fall under the rest of magic Combat skill Merits)

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No job will be released perfect, but I do think they cleaned up the mess fairly quick on that part actually.

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Point is, I see them doing something about it rather than ignoring everyone who complained. He may not be answering "EVERYTHING" but its clear to me he isn't just sitting in the studio sipping coffee hanging out with the DEV team reading comments all day and ignoring them.

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I do not question, nor have I ever questioned the fact he is doing something, what I do question is, is he doing the right things? We all know he is working on this game, doing a bunch of different things all over the place, but the problem is that many of us are unhappy with the order he is taking and the things he is putting first. For instance, I am sure there are a hoard of people who would rather see RMEs updated rather than a Yorcia Skirmish, or people who would rather see Cait Sith, Atomos, and other job adjustments which have long since been forgotten rather than another side event like Monstrosity. I am not saying everyone feels that way, I myself enjoy Monstrosity quite a bit, but in the end I do not think anyone truly questions if he is doing anything, but rather, is he doing the right things? Personally, the only things that have had a positive effect on me since Adoulin came out were Delve, because I felt it was in a way like VW should have been in terms of rewards, and Monstrosity. Besides those, I can not say anything else has been truly fun and exciting to me, I can not say anything else has had a truly positive effect on the game in my opinion so far as actual content goes. There are some fixes like the Elemental Magic change that were nice, but they were something I expected long ago, and were not content, but rather, a gameplay change that was log overdue.

So please do not think I believe that Matsui is just sitting around doing nothing while the game burns and the community screams in agony. I think he is hard at work, but he is working on questionable things, things which could be put off to prioritize others that the community is asking, pestering, and even begging him to do. Simply moving forward as he sees fit has not seemed to work so far, and if he continues with that plan it will only serve to push more people away, the right things to do now is to try listening to the community and see how that goes, do as we more urgently, if it fails too, then make a new plan, but what he is doing right now is not keeping people or getting people back, its pushing more away.

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That depends on what part of it you mean. I think its very important to know where you are coming from in order to figure out where you are going, I think it is more important to figure out what he is building on and the people etc...

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Well when you have to dig through millions of lines of computer code in programming like the old content? Especially when various people wrote the coding may incorporate different techniques than others. You are piled with so many issues, its not easy to say we are going to do this and then make it happen right away.

The thing is balance is not easy. I really can't explain it to you easily either and no information is online to show you what I mean.

Basic Game Programming
Video games often allow players to influence their balance by offering a choice of "difficulty levels".[5] These affect how challenging the game is to play.

In addition to altering the game's rules, difficulty levels can be used to alter what content is presented to the player. This usually takes the form of adding or removing challenging location or events, but some games also change their narrative to reward players who play them on higher difficulty levels (Max Payne 2) or end early as punishment for playing on easy (Castlevania).

Difficulty selection is not always presented bluntly, particularly in competitive games where all players are affected equally and the standard "easy/hard" terminology no longer applies. Sometimes veiled language is used (Mario Kart offers "CC select"), while at other times there may be an array of granular settings instead of an overarching difficulty option.

An alternative approach to difficulty levels is catering to players of all abilities at the same time, a technique that has been called "subjective difficulty".[6] This requires a game to provide multiple solutions or routes, each offering challenges appropriate to players of different skill levels (Super Mario Galaxy, Sonic Generations).

Now take FFXI and multiply the difference compared to this and its frustrating including being limited to PS2 limits.

He wants to correct so many things but barely has much to work with. To tell him "Do it this way might be easy to say and could be done if the game was build on today's technology.

I took a course in Video Game Programming in Audio Engineering school and we did learn about issues like I'm telling you.

The majority of people are not asking him to go back and fix old things, but rather, new things, things which are fresh & should be easily accessed as they were recently implemented, those are the largest complaints. The majority of older ones which are complained about are drop rates, which should not be a large issue either, its not as though people are asking them to go back & completely redesign the workings of a zone, remake a battle system, or any other very large undertaking. We are asking for changes to drop rates for the most part so far as I know, as well as updating some weapons which were outdated, I fail to understand how this would take so much work & be so difficult, no matter how it is explained.

But as I said, I know he works on things, just not what I think to be the right things, and as you have pointed out in the past, it is harder to make new content than work on old because it involves many more things, such as music, graphics, and so on, where as changing drop rates or adding extra tiers to RMEs would literally be a matter of changing some numbers and possibly making a new quest/item here and there with existing things.

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The majority of people are not asking him to go back and fix old things, but rather, new things, things which are fresh & should be easily accessed as they were recently implemented, those are the largest complaints. The majority of older ones which are complained about are drop rates, which should not be a large issue either, its not as though people are asking them to go back & completely redesign the workings of a zone, remake a battle system, or any other very large undertaking. We are asking for changes to drop rates for the most part so far as I know, as well as updating some weapons which were outdated, I fail to understand how this would take so much work & be so difficult, no matter how it is explained.

But as I said, I know he works on things, just not what I think to be the right things, and as you have pointed out in the past, it is harder to make new content than work on old because it involves many more things, such as music, graphics, and so on, where as changing drop rates or adding extra tiers to RMEs would literally be a matter of changing some numbers and possibly making a new quest/item here and there with existing things.

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Yeah I agree but then again our opinion is only 2 out of thousands of issues others are giving feedback on which is clear he is working on SoA and cannot linger all his time on one thing especially when they already did make adjustment to this concern which was piled up on top of the other complaints and issues.

At least I think he needs to see how the new adjustment is played out first before he can come to a new conclusion that it needs more work on which is why I said give the man room to breathe, he has too much on his plate right now. At least he is proving now that he is seriously trying to do better. And sometimes its best to give that person room to show us more and be patient.

He couldn't deliver Skirmish this August update should tell you guys how much work he has been busy with. And he even admitted he is sorry but he needs more time.

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Hello, Matsui here. I apologize we weren’t able to introduce the new skirmishes at the same time as this version update. While you all enjoy the content added with this version update, we will be working to deliver the additional version update, so please hang in there just a little while longer.

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Btw I'm not saying don't give your feedback. I just think an issue that has been shown attention already not too long ago should give him more time and the rest of the server more time to figure out if these complaints will be the same later. I think it's too early to say omg fix it again!

Who knows when more and more people start getting more WR gear, it might turn out to be like Delve.

Then again you may get an item you want sooner and then have your POV change after that.

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As "hard" as you have to work for these drops it still isn't nothing compared to the old days.

You know, the days where ppl would actually invest 6 months and gillions on 1 piece of gear. Now if ppl don't get it in 1 fight that requires a lil bit of farming first they /rage.

sad days

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Do I get pissed after spending 7-8 hours doing Yumcax and getting crap drops? Yes but I also realize that if I was getting the drops I wanted then I wouldn't be doing it as much which could be a big problem for anyone who has yet to do it. Now I may stop doing it if I keep getting terrible drops but it really doesn't take much effort to do WK. I just look at past events and realize how hard it is for some people to do them because most people have gotten what they want from the events like Abyssea.

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And this is why I spent way too much time posting to give light to all of you how I see the difference. So I'm not the only one.

Repeat of what I said earlier:
If your idea of FFXI is to have it easy for you, my reasons for playing this game is the challenge, earn my items so I can actually enjoy what I've earned rather than feel like I wasted time putting endless hours for items people can get easily.

So if the DEVS made it easier, then you have the other players who feel the same like me feel this will suck. And we maybe the next ones to complain after it. Which falls under what I said earlier.

Balance is not easy, can't make everyone happy and people will complain regardless.

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Well when you have to dig through millions of lines of computer code in programming like the old content? Especially when various people wrote the coding may incorporate different techniques than others. You are piled with so many issues, its not easy to say we are going to do this and then make it happen right away.

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I hate people who try to use this as an excuse for developers. While the structure of projects decay over time, projects attempt to be structured so that changing one aspect doesn't involve other unrelated aspects. On top of that, the "millions of lines of computer code" is not a valid argument to the point that SE, as a company, should know their playerbase. I've seen code additions cause wild changes, but it certainly didn't place a waypoint on top of most of the NMs. SE did that.

I have never been able to to understand why companies like SE and Blizzard don't pay people to understand their gamers.

You also can't say that Matsui is blameless for the up-ending of FFXI gearing paradigm. We are not <every other major MMO>. Colliding FFXI with gear being outdated every few months just makes gearing seem so uncertain. Now you drop 4 million in a piece of rare/ex gear and you almost expect it to be subpar next month.

Here again, Matsui, and those working for him, should have recognized that the gear practices in FFXI is part of the reason some people play this game. FFXI takes min-maxing to extremes since you can min-max every aspect of your character, and the only excuse for why you don't is favoritism towards something else. (IE, my whm's idle refresh set is +5. It could be +7, but I'd rather keep my tp bonus moonshade, and I need the refresh weapon)

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I hate people who try to use this as an excuse for developers. While the structure of projects decay over time, projects attempt to be structured so that changing one aspect doesn't involve other unrelated aspects. On top of that, the "millions of lines of computer code" is not a valid argument to the point that SE, as a company, should know their playerbase. I've seen code additions cause wild changes, but it certainly didn't place a waypoint on top of most of the NMs. SE did that.

I have never been able to to understand why companies like SE and Blizzard don't pay people to understand their gamers.

You also can't say that Matsui is blameless for the up-ending of FFXI gearing paradigm. We are not <every other major MMO>. Colliding FFXI with gear being outdated every few months just makes gearing seem so uncertain. Now you drop 4 million in a piece of rare/ex gear and you almost expect it to be subpar next month.

Here again, Matsui, and those working for him, should have recognized that the gear practices in FFXI is part of the reason some people play this game. FFXI takes min-maxing to extremes since you can min-max every aspect of your character, and the only excuse for why you don't is favoritism towards something else. (IE, my whm's idle refresh set is +5. It could be +7, but I'd rather keep my tp bonus moonshade, and I need the refresh weapon)

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Using it as an excuse doesn't mean the problem is not there. And that we should totally ignore this. Are you really not understanding the limitations of technology that's 13 years old? He cannot do all he wants with PS2 limits.

That is not a poor excuse.

Again I'm not disagreeing when you rant but If you want to argue, I'm saying argue atleast with that on your mind.

Yes people do work for the gear, but what's there to work on after you get it?

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Using it as an excuse doesn't mean the problem is not there. And that we should totally ignore this. Are you really not understanding the limitations of technology that's 13 years old? He cannot do all he wants with PS2 limits.

That is not a poor excuse.

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When it comes to things like drop rates, avatars, DRK Fast Cast, RMEs, or any other number of issues that have not been addressed in updates or updates themselves which have not been implemented, yes, that is a poor excuse for any of those. While some things like HD Graphics, extra complex zones, super amazing animations, a greater inventory system, or many other things might be able to be blamed on the PS2, there is a large amount of unaddressed issues which can not be blamed on the PS2 as well.

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When it comes to things like drop rates, avatars, DRK Fast Cast, RMEs, or any other number of issues that have not been addressed in updates or updates themselves which have not been implemented, yes, that is a poor excuse for any of those. While some things like HD Graphics, extra complex zones, super amazing animations, a greater inventory system, or many other things might be able to be blamed on the PS2, there is a large amount of unaddressed issues which can not be blamed on the PS2 as well.

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Yeah it's the job you want fixed just the same as many others complaining about every other job.

DJ I took you for someone who reads up on everything or did you miss this?

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That's what I mean he is struggling due to PS2 limitations.

Also one of the reasons they said before that some jobs cannot have more spells added because of reaching the cap.

What he means, is longer load times, the same thing they have said for months now as to why they have not yet done it, yet I have yet to see a single person say.

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No! Not longer load times, fuck inventory, I don't need that, just let me load my zone & inventory 5 seconds faster! >:O Damn all these people with full inventory trying to ruin this game with their long load times and big inventories.

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I have seen no replies like that, instead I see a ton of.

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Please for the love of FFXI do this! We need the space! Who cares about extra load times I just want to be able to carry all my junk! T_T

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What he means, is longer load times, the same thing they have said for months now as to why they have not yet done it, yet I have yet to see a single person say.



I have seen no replies like that, instead I see a ton of.

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Yeah and most of those people base judgement without knowing the problem behind the scenes. Trust me I'm the one who complained so many times about inventory issues. Then I learned a little bit from taking Game programming 1 class in Audio Engineering school. I've also studied Computer Technoloy in college. Gave up or better yet took a break after reaching Computer Programming & Developement because it was way too complicated to me using Visual Basic C+.

After I realized PS2 limitations, I rethought my ideas and presented the DEVs the AF4 thread. If you can't add space, remove the items that's over flooding it concept.

Games are not without limits. Most of the time it's about add things, remove things, but much more sophisticated when dealing with MMORPG as big as FFXI and as old as this game the challenge becomes harder each year fanbase starts to lose patience.

PS2 limitations, and Xbox limitations, because they're also becoming a factor limit the rendering and engine capabilities. They don't inherently limit the function of the UI, but the systems are already strained to the point that SE doesn't want to further stress them.

PS2 limitations do not create a poor loot system, nor any of SE's wild changes. It baffles me why you even brought it up here.

PS2 limitations don't explain why a company couldn't see issues with delve weapons widening the gap between heavy DD and dual wielders (because of weapon selection) or combat-casters like blu. The same for pet jobs. Yeah, they fixed pet jobs, but we had to tell them, and frankly--we shouldn't have.

Sometimes it feels a lot like attentive players know more about this game than the developers who see the code.

PS2 limitations doesn't explain why they didn't see any magic accuracy issues with DRK, BLU, NIN magic accuracy.

In spite of real ps2 limitions, xbox limitiations, and the client's limitations (Seriously, I have an NVIDIA 670, quad core 4ghz (o'clocked) and 16 gb ram--my system should be able to run 10 copies of this old game, and yet hiccups with 2, they continue to add content their system can't support. PS2 players black out in delve, VW, besieged more frequently and I can't imagine many try to go to WK.

Crying PS2 limitations, actual or not, when the company keeps themselves tied to it is like a marathon runner shooting himself in the foot and people saying "Well, he was going so slow because he was shot in the feet. Don't be so harsh on him."

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PS2 limitations, and Xbox limitations, because they're also becoming a factor limit the rendering and engine capabilities. They don't inherently limit the function of the UI, but the systems are already strained to the point that SE doesn't want to further stress them.

PS2 limitations do not create a poor loot system, nor any of SE's wild changes. It baffles me why you even brought it up here.

PS2 limitations don't explain why a company couldn't see issues with delve weapons widening the gap between heavy DD and dual wielders (because of weapon selection) or combat-casters like blu.

PS2 limitations doesn't explain why they didn't see any magic accuracy issues with DRK, BLU, NIN magic accuracy.

In spite of real ps2 limitions, xbox limitiations, and the client's limitations (Seriously, I have an NVIDIA 670, quad core 4ghz (o'clocked) and 16 gb ram--my system should be able to run 10 copies of this old game, and yet hiccups with 2, they continue to add content their system can't support. PS2 players black out in delve, VW, besieged more frequently and I can't imagine many try to go to WK.

Crying PS2 limitations, actual or not, when the company keeps themselves tied to it is like a marathon runner shooting himself in the foot and people saying "Well, he was going so solo because he was shot in the feet. Don't be so harsh on him."

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That argument would be acceptable if we had NO updates the past 2 months back to back (Meaning you could argue why they didnt make these changes if they did nothing but sit lazily drinking coffee, eating dounuts and surfing the net.) and provide no updates as for item drop rate that's asking him to alter the game effected by everyone playing on every server which would change the balance of time especially for his team that needs the time to work on the game.

"Hey let's make it faster by speeding up the drop rate so we can have much more work that requires us to do overtime or hire more people to keep up with those who want to play the game too fast!"

Diablo III i believe took over 10 years to make. In 3 hours people from Korea beat the game.. That's sad. Every developers worse nightmare.

Ideas are not simple.

Tell me what you can do with 32MB of ram.

Random-access memory (RAM /ræm/) is a form of computer data storage. A random-access device allows stored data to be accessed directly in any random order. In contrast, other data storage media such as hard disks, CDs, DVDs and magnetic tape, as well as early primary memory types such as drum memory, read and write data only in a predetermined order, consecutively, because of mechanical design limitations. Therefore the time to access a given data location varies significantly depending on its physical location.

It's why he can't do so much without screwing up all the Ps2 players. PC doesn't matter. Heck I have 32Gig RAM, 6 Core PC AND Mac Pro Tower. Then there are limits to Video Graphics as well which is why FFXI cannot be made like FF14. Who's fault? Blame PS2.

It's doesn't mean just because we have awesome computers with high end graphic cards, ram, CPU... Yeah I'm sure YOU can run 10 clients on your computer. But he cannot code the game based on your computer. But code the game based on everyone playing FFXI and a good portion of the fanbase are playing off PS2.

Unless SE decides to hire a new team of Developers to recreate FFXI from the start to every single expansion which would cost years and Millions of dollars.

Then again this is one of the reasons Developers never recreated FF7. And 14 would have been a huge waste of money and time for SE to just accept the failure and throw away the game. Which how many years did it take to fix it?

As much money as SE earns off FFXI alone I'm sure is not enough money to just easily wake up one day and say "Hey let's remake all FF games from the start!!" I have millions and millions of dollars to dedicate several years to these projects.

When in fact they said they do need to make a new popular FF Game before they decide to go back and recreate FF7.

SE has bigger problems right now, which I know sounds blunt they need to see a comeback return on the income they spent investing into making FF14. Which is another reason I started to realize that it's not easy to be a gaming company and which is why so many gaming companies in the past went bankrupt.

And well Sorry Electronic Arts, you became greedy by tricking your customers silently adding "BUY ME INGAME" items to kiddie video games that children began running up mommy and daddies credit cards because kids didn't know which is why that was a dirty sleazy scheme that has tarnished the companies name forever.

Personally I will never play another EA game again. I'm just glad SE didn't take that same route.

Man, the conversation is so far off base now that it's baffling.

I don't know why you're saying PS2 limitiations for loot systems and how our jobs function. Any Ninja, Blu, or spellcasting DRK (talking about absorbs, lol) could have told you the problems. Any summoner, bst, or pup could tell you the pet job problems. Any dual wielder could have told you the dual wield problems.

But that's so far off-topic it's appalling.

The simple fact is that my friend has been trying to get a foret naakual (I can never remember if that's Tchakka or Achuka for 3 weeks now) and can never catch one. Further, new naakual are becoming chores rather than fun. Camping waiting to claim Fafhogg may have been lame, but at least fighting Nidhogg was fun.

I can admit that there's a little bit of fun in randoms sending me tells asking me to come to their Yumcax or Hurkan now and then, because I do well on PLD, and am pretty well liked, but the fights themselves are not fun. Seriously I'm afraid to go before raid time now because I neither want to delay the raid, miss out on it, or skip a chance at loo because I have to leave--nor do I want to go after raid time because I don't want to be up have the night.

I don't want to struggle and struggle to get a velkk necklace. SE might think drops like that are coy, but in fact, they're insulting. Imagine if when you got an NNI clear, you could trade your key item to the NPC, and he gave you a random piece of gear, but he could choose to try to give you a piece you've already gotten. This is like that.

The whole package--
* the difficulty of the fights - I'm by no means the best pld, but I have, and frequently use, a pdt and mdt capped set and Hurkan still truck me. I don't think that a mass havoc battle should require a paladin at or above my level.

* the gearcheck that they are - if they're going smooth, a great majority of people came on the right jobs and are pretty well geared., even if you came on DRG95/BLM17

* the uncertainty of the win within a reasonable timeframe, the fact that SE client, on all platforms, can't handle mass battles very well. - I might not be able to stay for the whole fight because the fights can be ridiculously long. FFXIAH has talked about 10+ hour long Yumcax's... I think there was a thread here like that. People have to work, they need sleep, they have things planned with friends, RL, and IG.

* Zone, or at least, alliance-hate. - It appears to be zone hate but I think maybe the NM starts to forget people after a while, but a twilight zombie can keep everyone floored for 15 minutes. Mid-recovery, you can lose it all because someone accidentally agroed everything

* the risk that you might get a pebble and a cape you've dropped 3 times.

The entire package depicts an event meant to be endured. And sorry, I'm not trying to list negative aspects, but I can't find something uniquely fun about Achuka that I can't get from Tojil.