SE, Please Delete Scarlet Delirium

You get hit, it turns into a straight damage dealt bonus.

I had DRK sitting at 90 for a while, decided to take it to 95 to do some "tests" (loosely)

I couldn't honestly tell the difference after taking a 1k Stone V from Megamaw Mikey while using this ability.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Hang on. I'm not clear on two things:

When and how did absorbs get nerfed? DRK was my most recent job to 95(within the last few months) and I don't know the ins and outs yet.

I'm not clear on how SD works. Are you saying you get one status for 3 minutes, but only the first damage you take during those 3 minutes counts? What's the point in it lasting 3 minutes then? I thought the damage bonus was going to be / supposed to be based on all the damage you took during that time.

If it's just the first hit that determines the damage bonus, why do we have to sit and wait for 3 minutes before we get the benefit? That doesn't make any sense. Am I not understanding something correctly?

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You have 3 minutes to take single hit. After taking that single hit you get a attack boost based on the damage taken from that single hit, this "boost" only last 1 minute from the moment you take damage. It's very situational and mediocre job ability that was half-assed thought out and poorly implemented.

okay, so you have 3 minutes to get hit, but you get the buff immediately upon taking a hit.

Even if it didn't have the chance to get ruined by getting hit for very little damage, why is it so needlessly complicated? The previously mentioned idea of simply increasing damage taken to get a damage bonus makes a lot more sense to me...

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

When and how did absorbs get nerfed? DRK was my most recent job to 95(within the last few months) and I don't know the ins and outs yet.

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Well, apparently Absorb-TP has taken a hit in some form back when Heroes of Abyssea came out, although I personally haven't noticed a thing. Granted, I had taken a 6 month break back then so maybe that's why. But I still manage to absorb 30-60 TP regularly on mobs so I dunno. It would be nice to know what the apparent nerf is.

But there was another nerf to the Absorb line of spells a good 5 years ago that made no sense what-so-ever. Basically, when you cast an absorb today, the duration of the absorb has a max of 1 minute and 30 seconds. This duration can vary quite a bit though, and can be extremely short (30 seconds or less). When the "Down" effect on the mob wears off, you lose the "Boost" effect as well. But it wasn't always like this.

Before this random nerf, the "Boost" effect would last 1:30, no matter what. Even if the "Down" effect wore off on the mob. Obviously the absorbs were a bit more reliable and useful when they worked like this. To this day I don't know why they changed it, because absorbs back then were draining a max of 17-18. And they have that decay effect. They were already pretty useless and SE went and made them even more useless.

As far as Scarlet Delirium is concerned... My opinion on it is still the same as always. I don't use it not simply because it's an extremely situational ability, oh no. I don't use it because I never go to events as DRK in the first place, because DRK overall is situationally useful. There's just no point when a ton of other jobs are just as useful in the damage dealing department. All DRK truly has going for it is damage, and that's nothing unique. That's why I'd like to see Absorbs completely reworked, and DRK given some absorbs that don't suck (Absorb-PHYS (Gives -% Physical Damage Taken to mob and +% Physical Damage Taken to DRK), Absorb-ATK, Absorb-DEF, Absorb-M.DEF) so that DRK can assist the group in a more indirect way when more physical damage isn't necessary.

And believe me, DRK is still my favorite job still. I'd love to go on it to events. But I can always be more useful on SCH and BLU. Funny enough, as a SCH I don't even feel all these adjustments are even necessary. Who on earth is having a hard time being a main healer on it? It's not on the same level as WHM, which is fine, nothing wrong with 2nd place, but it sure wipes the floor with RDM in healing. It's not a very far 2nd from 1st. And BLU just makes a better DRK than DRK. All they need is TP Drainkiss and they'll master DRK without ever being one. But I digress. Don't get me wrong, I love SCH and BLU too, but I just feel SE's priorities are a little screwed up.

Anyways, who knows. Seems they're done looking at DRK and Scarlet Delirium was our fix. Somehow.

I would assume that SE thought DRK like eating the fatal, alliance wiping abilities that every one else attempts to stun. From what I'm reading, the ability is added up there with WHM's Sacrosanctity and DNC's Ternary Flourish.

Even as a situational ability, it's still useless and grealy flawed. Don't even have to be a DRK to understand that.

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Originally Posted by Urteil

So when something sucks you fight it, you don't lay in the street and give up.


Rage is fantastic.


Maybe some other pissed off people will join me, if not I'm perfectly content being on the only one in this thread pissed off.

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Spoken like a Dark knight! ^^b

This ability is useless hands down.

We pointed it out to SE they just extended the length of time you have to proc the DMG boost.

Which is good except the ability still has no real use in the game.

Also YES it's a small boost to on what DRK already has

And we're complaining cause what we want are fixes and abiltys that make DRK more alliance friendly.

While i do feel the way Urt posts is a little exteme and prolly put SE off replying considering they don't want to bow to people insulting them.
I do understand why he's doing it, DRK is a job the SE has had no clear direction and ALOT of the stuff added has been random and when we ask why are you adding this they either don't respond or give some lame excuse that anyone that has played DRK for a few months would know isn't the case.

For example...
Like DRKs having to get hit by AoEs to stun a mob

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

In many cases, dangerous special abilities and magic that are used by the opponent can be halted by Stun, but there are instances where Stun does not work or cannot be cast due to recast timers. There are also instances where players will have to take the damage from some attacks in order to stop more powerful attacks instead.

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STUN IS A 20 DISTANCE SPELL

Summary : SE has no real direction w/ DRK and doesn't seem to understand what it needs.

They're talking about prioritizing stunning certain moves over others. Because you stun certain moves over others, some moves will still get through and you'll be able to charge Scarlet Delirium. Stun and Scarlet Delirium take about the same amount of activation time, so when you choose to not stun a stunnable TP move because you're saving Stun for something else, you could activate Scarlet Delirium using the same reflexes. That's what they meant, even if it isn't practical.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

You get hit, it turns into a straight damage dealt bonus.

I had DRK sitting at 90 for a while, decided to take it to 95 to do some "tests" (loosely)

I couldn't honestly tell the difference after taking a 1k Stone V from Megamaw Mikey while using this ability.

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Im very glad im not the only one who didn t notice an increase after getting hit for 1k+

it could have been a decent ability, if the conversion rate of damage to boost was better, or if it ignored hits too small to produce a meaningful bonus.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

They're talking about prioritizing stunning certain moves over others. Because you stun certain moves over others, some moves will still get through and you'll be able to charge Scarlet Delirium. Stun and Scarlet Delirium take about the same amount of activation time, so when you choose to not stun a stunnable TP move because you're saving Stun for something else, you could activate Scarlet Delirium using the same reflexes. That's what they meant, even if it isn't practical.

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I kinda took it as them saying not everything is stunnable, like how you can't stun something like say... Goblin Rush (Unless you're just lucky. I'm sure we've all accidentally stunned moves like that before). But even so, the way people usually play is that you stay out of range to avoid those TP moves. You don't know when the mob will use them, so the only way to avoid them is to never be in range. That's where the concept "run in only to WS" comes from.

But we can give SE the benefit of the doubt, and say we ARE in melee range, taking huge AoE hits. What usually happens after taking a big hit, is you run OUT of range to avoid taking a second hit so you don't die while the healers focus on the tank(s). Any reasonable DRK knows they're not top priority for cures, so unless you want to be a useless melee (A dead one), you get out. The buff only lasts a minute, so it's not doing you much good here either.

You just have to wonder what crazy backwards upside-down world Scarlet Delirium comes from.

The reason you don't notice anything from taking 1k damage in abyssea is because it's not actual damage taken but what ever % of your HP is lost that is converted into the bonus damage. 1k HP probably isn't even half your HP in abyssea if you have crour buffs and all the abyssites for HP/MP.

I guess if someone wanted to they could fight Resheph and see if they notice any thing after using scarlet delirium and getting hit with tarsal slam to put you at 1 HP. Should be fairly safe to test since that move resets hate.

Personally I haven't found a situation where I'm on drk, a mob has a TP move/spell I can't or won't stun, and I get hit by said move/spell before I'm smacked for 30 damage instead when I use scarlet delirium. But that's just me.

If you melee Voidwatch NMs and don't get hate / take hits, you'll end up taking a lot of AoE damage from the TP moves you aren't stunning. Think about the Tier 3/4 Voidwatch NMs. They have a lot of AoE TP moves, and you only stun some of them. Timing isn't exactly an issue on them. If you stay in range for 30 seconds, you're going to get hit with some kind of big AoE.

The Last Resort patch was your big buff. You're lucky this JA has any use at all, compared to something like Ternary Flourish.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

it could have been a decent ability, if the conversion rate of damage to boost was better, or if it ignored hits too small to produce a meaningful bonus.

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It should have functioned like Mana Wall, instead where Damage Taken transfers to ATT/MAB...instead SE decided to derp it up by making it one hit taken only. I don't understand why SE thinks this is not viable.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

If you melee Voidwatch NMs and don't get hate / take hits, you'll end up taking a lot of AoE damage from the TP moves you aren't stunning. Think about the Tier 3/4 Voidwatch NMs. They have a lot of AoE TP moves, and you only stun some of them. Timing isn't exactly an issue on them. If you stay in range for 30 seconds, you're going to get hit with some kind of big AoE.

The Last Resort patch was your big buff. You're lucky this JA has any use at all, compared to something like Ternary Flourish.

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I'm glad that big buff made the job playable, now I'd like buffs to make Dark Knight make sense.

It would be nice of Occult Acumen made 0.001% of sense, does any other job have 4 tiers of Job Trait that makes as little sense as OA?


Spoiler Alert: No.

Not going to lie Urteil does seem a little whiney about his predicament, however I can sympathize with him to an extent. While I have never leveled DRK I understand how frustrating it is to be the best you can in the job you prefer to play and still not be as good or useful as a mediocre skilled player who didn't put nearly the amount of time or effort into their specific job. There is nothing more disheartening than to be told that you're useless or unnecessary when you're as passionate as he is about his job, when all that is necessary to remedy these issues is SE matching his passion, reading player feedback and implementing change to better "balance" the jobs. Just because you add another job ability and put it on the same timer as the one useful thing your job does or implement a flashy spell that does the exact thing 3 others do doesn't accomplish this task.

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Originally Posted by Quetzacoatl

It should have functioned like Mana Wall, instead where Damage Taken transfers to ATT/MAB...instead SE decided to derp it up by making it one hit taken only. I don't understand why SE thinks this is not viable.

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I dunno about viable, but I'm thinking they are just reusing the code from Afflatus Misery that only counts the last hit as well. Granted, that job ability sucks pretty badly too (especially since SE nerfed the accuracy boost Auspice gave a long time ago) although I'm slightly more confident that Scarlet Delirium would be changed then Misery. Maybe if one gets changed and they share the same code, they'll both be changed to work on a cumulative amount, although I'm not sure this will make either one good.

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Originally Posted by Mizura

Not going to lie Urteil does seem a little whiney about his predicament, however I can sympathize with him to an extent. While I have never leveled DRK I understand how frustrating it is to be the best you can in the job you prefer to play and still not be as good or useful as a mediocre skilled player who didn't put nearly the amount of time or effort into their specific job. There is nothing more disheartening than to be told that you're useless or unnecessary when you're as passionate as he is about his job, when all that is necessary to remedy these issues is SE matching his passion, reading player feedback and implementing change to better "balance" the jobs. Just because you add another job ability and put it on the same timer as the one useful thing your job does or implement a flashy spell that does the exact thing 3 others do doesn't accomplish this task.

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Stop whining, you'll look like me.

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Originally Posted by Economizer

I dunno about viable, but I'm thinking they are just reusing the code from Afflatus Misery that only counts the last hit as well. Granted, that job ability sucks pretty badly too (especially since SE nerfed the accuracy boost Auspice gave a long time ago) although I'm slightly more confident that Scarlet Delirium would be changed then Misery. Maybe if one gets changed and they share the same code, they'll both be changed to work on a cumulative amount, although I'm not sure this will make either one good.

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Either way, as it stands now, I almost forgot it even existed. :\

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Originally Posted by Urteil

I'm glad that big buff made the job playable, now I'd like buffs to make Dark Knight make sense.

It would be nice of Occult Acumen made 0.001% of sense, does any other job have 4 tiers of Job Trait that makes as little sense as OA?


Spoiler Alert: No.

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Look ma! A real Dark Knight! Full of friggin Emo and everything.

FYI Occult Acumen isn't completely useless. For example: Landing Impact on a mob with a minimum of Bale Sollerets +1/+2 will return about 100ish TP, resulting in a free WS (in exchange for usually a full MP pool, but that's what ethers and elixirs were invented to fix!). You can also build TP with it while nuking stuff like VWNMs trying to find the magic procs for your mages, likewise with Abyssea NMs, or Dynamis procs.

Sure Scarlet Delirium sucks unless you're fighting something like a RNG which you're sure is about to EES rape your face, or a SMN using Astral Flow and you're sure you can live (most people can in Dynamis now), or you're fighting an Ironclad type mob which is just a bundle of AoEs.

Point being, instead of going to the corner and crying that your job is getting "useless" stuff, try using it first and fully test it before you deem it completely useless. And if you really don't like it, then don't use it or, level a different job. IMO it could be a lot worse. They could have made SD only useful if you had just 1% HP. Then you would have died before making any use of it.

They could have made dragoon wyvern still be 2 it's hour and your weapon skill option still be penta thrust. That would have given you a reason to not be here talking about how darks emo over idiotic ideas implemented to dark.

I believe it is quite obvious all dark knights have no clue how to play other jobs and we center our knowledge based solely on dark knight experiences alone <sarcasm>. I find this amusing that other jobs suggest we TRY out a job ability/JA/etc to understand it's potential before we can talk about it's effectiveness being complete shit for most things used in game.

The whole idea of occult accumen was to partially offset the disadvantage of the time spent casting a spell versus the melee swing or two you could have gotten off instead. Occult accumen doesn't just apply to the elemental nukes, drain and drain II also give TP and odds are you do use these spells if not any others. DRK gets more tiers of it in a futile effort to get DRKs to use their magic more (and also to take into consideration the lower MP costs of even the most costly DRK spells compared to SCH and BLM). Basically, casting damaging spells gives the enemy TP, so why not give the player some.

(I also didn't consider that impact works with it- I actually find the thought of that pretty amusing :P Not to metnion the fact that it could also help the damage of that WS slightly, because impact lowers the enemy's attributes)

Scarlet Delirium IS A GOOD JA!

No its not good on Fodder content, it is excellent on harder content like VW.

Sure, if you get hit by a 1000 AoE you can get a sizeable bonus out of it. The problem is you have to jump through hoops to make use of it. It's too hard to use for what it does.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Sure, if you get hit by a 1000 AoE you can get a sizeable bonus out of it. The problem is you have to jump through hoops to make use of it. It's too hard to use for what it does COMPARED TO OTHER JOB ABILITIES.

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Fixed that .

Sorry, guys. Souleater and Last Resort are just too strong. We did not realize that situational JAs would look piddly next to them. Our mistake. We'll just nerf Souleater and Last Resort so the relative power is more fair.

Play Better. SD is on a 3min timer, when timed right 30%+ HP of damage it gives a very noticable boost to damage.

While you complain about SD and DRK in general I'll be tanking T3 VW mobs. A boost is a boost. As a career DRK I can appreciate in the small boost. (and sometimes large in this case)

Taint you act like you have some sort of great credentials over the rest of us. I don't like the fucking ability when compared to other jobs easily used abilities without it being tied to a "do or die" situation so I voice that concern. That has nothing to do with me playing like shit or the fact I can't hit a macro at the proper time like I do with stun or weapon bash. I wish people like you would lose that bit of nonsense that we must suck at timing to complain about SD's use in special situations.

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Sorry, guys. Souleater and Last Resort are just too strong. We did not realize that situational JAs would look piddly next to them. Our mistake. We'll just nerf Souleater and Last Resort so the relative power is more fair.

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All right. I accept that as long as they remove the empyrean weapon skills that have been added for all jobs and abilities/updates added since abyssea. I will be quite content. I can cap out haste either way with apocalypse so doesn't hurt me in the slightest HOWEVER it does put a hurt on most jobs WS potential and DOT.

o ok. You're mad because DRK didn't get Impetus.

Kay.

Keep on ignoring the strengths of your job and comparing its weakest (?) ability to the strongest abilities of other jobs.

Meanwhile, I'll keep wishing I had a Berserk+HasteSamba+1 combo that I can keep up 60% of the time.

No I am just fine. I said i was fine with the lowering of souleater and last resort if all other jobs abilities/updates and weaponskills added since abyssea could be taken away. It would far more hurt your jobs than it does dark considering the epic fail shit they gave us besides those two. I would go as far to say it would probably help with this easy mode killing that FFXI fell into after those changes.

Nerf.


Eeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr'thang.

Be careful what you wish for.

Yeah nerf ALL jobs back to pre abyssea. I don't see you commenting much about that topic though. It would mean you actually thought about how much mnk or other jobs would lose they gained during that time that overpowered them.

I'm pretty sure DRK was in the same place pre-Abyssea that is is now.

Namely, epic in the right hands. Piss-poor in the average ones.

You go on the retarded assumption I must be shit player which is a huge fallacy. I have been on a few servers myself and not once have i ever been told I was one of those idiotic players you are speaking of even from the people who hated me and wished as much.

I know the advantages of using SD in it's one shot glory wonder but I find myself faintly wondering why SE does this considering the other abilities. I don't think it's something i agree with and i voice that concern with other people on here. The rest of you come on like we are some kind of idiots with no room to voice this opinion. If dark was left up to your thought process we still would not have gotten the LR or SE update at all.

I'm not making any assumptions about your skill.

I'm being honest about where DRK stands now and where it stood pre-Abyssea.

DRK was one of the premier endgame tanks pre-Abyssea, and a very solid DD in capable hands. It was also one of the least naturally powerful jobs, so it lacked an insta-Win button like Gekko that raised the perceived efficacy of mediocre players. It had a learning curve associated with it, and honestly all fun jobs do. I'm sorry if timing abilities is "harder" than just pressing the win button every time it's up, but that's just how DRK works.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I'm not making any assumptions about your skill.

I'm being honest about where DRK stands now and where it stood pre-Abyssea.

DRK was one of the premier endgame tanks pre-Abyssea, and a very solid DD in capable hands. It was also one of the least naturally powerful jobs, so it lacked an insta-Win button like Gekko that raised the perceived efficacy of mediocre players. It had a learning curve associated with it, and honestly all fun jobs do. I'm sorry if timing abilities is "harder" than just pressing the win button every time it's up, but that's just how DRK works.

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I do concur with that point at least.