So in other wrods you're saying one of our strengths has been taken away by the game being made easier. That's not something we or they really had control over.
New SMN JA "Possession" Empowering the "Melee SMN"
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07-27-2011, 10:49 AMAlhanelem
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07-27-2011, 10:53 AMKorpgI rather have one of the strengths of one of the jobs here be taken away to make it better for everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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07-31-2011, 01:47 AMDallasAs a top-tier SMN, I don't frequently make suggestions. I want the minimalist SMN to convince SE to do something completely broken like remove the BP timer without penalty, so that I can burn through my 800MP surplus. That's 5xPC, or 11k DMG per Myrkr, outside of Abyssea. That number jumps to 36k per Myrkr inside Abyssea (9xPC @ 4k DMG per). Think about that speed discussion again... I think this would be enough damage as a result of melee SMN to end this debate forever, don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leonlionheart
My suggestion adds a really harsh penalty for pushing my limits. I don't really want that to happen. -
07-31-2011, 01:52 AMKorpg
Dallas, can you go 1 post without proclaiming that you are god?
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07-31-2011, 03:22 AMMalamasalaOne word, greed. People are too greedy for fast kills with high damage jobs to even care if safety is sacrificed. Why should a SMN complain about not being wanted in 18 man SMN burns, when they can get their upgrade items faster with a group of WARs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Korpg
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07-31-2011, 06:06 AMKorpgYou have no clue as to what I was talking about. Actually, I don't think you have any clue as to what you are talking about either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malamasala
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07-31-2011, 06:12 AMLeonlionheartGreed does not equate to efficiency I'm afraid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malamasala
That's like saying "Oh, sure I'll take the job at McDonalds"
while also saying, "even though I have this job at Apple lined up"
Conversely, you wouldn't call someone who took the job at Apple instead of McDonalds greedy. There's a way to get what you want faster, and there's a way to get what you want slower. Most people like fast, but if you want to waste 18 people's time, that's your choice. -
07-31-2011, 07:05 AMMalamasalaI'm pretty sure anyone who wanted a serious discussion would have said "You missed my point, I was talking about...". Good to see you are just trolling as usual though. If you ever feel like having a real discussion, feel free to tell me the point I missed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korpg
In reply to Leonlionheart, I said greed to explain that people who want items prefer faster methods. Apparently you found it offensive, and rather uses the word efficiency. I'll just say "whatever" since the point is that SMNs want things fast. -
07-31-2011, 07:26 AMTarage
As a life long SMN, the idea of making a SMN melee is the worst idea I have ever heard. We are a MAGE class. We don't melee.
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07-31-2011, 08:15 AMKorpgOk, I'll bite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malamasala
You don't know what I was talking about when I said we lost our the most important thing we excel at, which is the ability to kill stuff without risk of dying. We lost that ability when Apoc Atma and Twilight Mail/Helm set came out. Now any noob out there can kill stuff because of the RR on Apoc and that set. Now do you see what I'm talking about? -
07-31-2011, 09:13 AMTarageFurther proof that you have no idea what SMN is for. We are, always have been, and always will be, a SUPPORT job. Yes, we can solo things, but we aren't supposed to be the end-all-be-all solo job. That has ALWAYS been the BST, and even then SE doesn't want them to be completely solo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korpg
I love your hatred of Abyssea. It's so cute. -
07-31-2011, 11:58 AMDallas800 = MP that I gain in 60 seconds above and beyond the guy in my shadow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korpg
800 = posts the guy in my shadow has made, begging me to recognize skills he only has because I taught him. -
07-31-2011, 12:41 PMLeonlionheart800 = the difference between your DPS and a real DD's DPS (including your avatar).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dallas
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07-31-2011, 01:21 PMTarage
No. One. Cares.
Stop waving your e-dick around already. -
07-31-2011, 02:07 PMDallasPoor 1-tricks... stealing the credit from the cast of thousands that keep your DPS afloat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leonlionheart
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07-31-2011, 04:16 PMMeyi
Dallas please stop. :/ SE won't ever take us seriously with your comments floating around here.
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07-31-2011, 08:54 PMRazushuStill clinging to the "I have more MP than you other guys with unlimited MP" argument I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dallas
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08-01-2011, 01:22 AMKorpgI don't hate abyssea, I was making a point. You throw 18 SMNs at anything and it dies without any risk involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarage
Also, what does SMN support? Healing? Damage? Buffing? Wait, so are you saying that a WAR is a support job because it can help do damage or tank? Or WHM is a support job because it can help buff and heal?
Also, SMN can solo more mobs than BST. What BST can do is solo mobs faster than SMN, but SMN can solo more mobs and NMs because of our ability to recast new avatars in a manner of seconds. If a BST fails at charming a pet, and they already used Jug Pet, they are screwed. Don't forget that. -
08-01-2011, 01:25 AMKorpg800 MP in 60 seconds? Yeah right. I thought it was closer to 100 seconds, unless you are fudging the math in your favor again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dallas
Also, who here needs 800 MP in 100 seconds more than you? Inside Abyssea or Outside? Inside Abyssea you can whack on some mobs without much worry, outside, people will kick you from your party. Or if you are soloing, as soon as your avatar dies, so do you, so you can't solo anything harder than a level 50 NM. -
08-01-2011, 06:10 AMTarageIf it's a mage class job that isn't BLU, it's a support job. It's not that hard of a concept to understand, but I doubt you ever will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korpg