Walk of the no Coin drops??? formerly Walk of echoes

So we went from 1-2 casual douches ninja lotting your coin to 30 douches lotting all the coins!

Though you have to admit that the structure of the new convluxes favors this system since it would be near impossible to get 36 people to agree on drop results (Without an all out brawl) and 6-man groups fighting the new chambers wouldn't necessarily have the best results unless you're working with an LS.

I've spammed WoE to death since the update, and I have yet to receive or see anyone use a brew.

I've done 50 runs myself now, and the only reason I'm anywhere near getting what I want is because I got lucky with a pouch in Flux#7 (only got 2000xp too) and that pouch was of the coins I needed. Aside from that, I've got 23 coins in 50 runs and of those 23, 6 were actually what I needed.

6 coins in 50 runs =/= better loot.

The way this event is structured now is actually fine, there just needs to be a way to get what I'm actually looking for. If I spent 50 runs doing WoE, that's roughly 50 hours of gameplay (even if I'm only doing something for 10-20m of it, I'm still at my computer or around it) If you qualified for x number of coins due to performance and could choose, that would be better. If you could trade coins in, that would be better.

Giving us the excuse that "coin drop rates have increased overall" is asinine and insulting at best.

Every saying its not bad now what happen when people stop doing WoE in mass. When you don't have people spamming it every hour of the day and you need a build a group to win the event why not just take the same or a smaller group to make a weapon you want.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Event is designed for "casuals", thus it's made very retard friendly and spams I win buttons in your face~

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Sounds like its right up your alley then.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Event is designed for "casuals", thus it's made very retard friendly and spams I win buttons in your face~

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That is somehow different than your precious empy farming, or abyssea in general...

Honestly tired of getting coins I already have weapons for.

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Originally Posted by Aver

inb4 I was SMN95 in 2006

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To be fair, all those people who told me they were a 99 SMN on Cerberus server before rejoining on kujata will be right in a year.

2004 was a great year.

Ok so I got 12k exp in flux 11 WoE. Got 5 drops, 1 coin I don't need, 4 silver ore-esque pieces of shit.

Someone else was alive the entire time, got 5k. Got 4 drops, 1 coin, 1 die, and 1 Flume Belt.

This is some f***ed up s***.

i can confirm better drops with less work EVERY run i did on blm were all i did was nuke *5k exp 100%* i got 1 coin 1 dies or 1 spell , ive done 4 runs getting 8000 exp *nuke 1/2 time then cure spam* and now im only getting shit synth mats

so wait, if you suck more you get better drops?

Yeah I have to agree. Doesn't make any sense but I have spammed it since monday, and that's the conclusion I've come to.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

At this point I'd say that the Carabosse/Cirein-Croin path is four times faster than farming WoE for coins, for an unbelievably superior weapon.

Only WoE weapons worth making atm are probably Dagger, Scythe, Polearm, and Staff. As for the rest the Empyrean is either easy as hell, or too good to pass up (HI 2 U GA and H2H).

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Polearm was never worth making.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart View Post
At this point I'd say that the Carabosse/Cirein-Croin path is four times faster than farming WoE for coins, for an unbelievably superior weapon.

Only WoE weapons worth making atm are probably Dagger, Scythe, Polearm, and Staff. As for the rest the Empyrean is either easy as hell, or too good to pass up (HI 2 U GA and H2H).
Polearm was never worth making.

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Nor any of those other weapons are worth making, in fact not a single woe weapon is worth making because the superior part is still easier ti get then this crap, with the exception of maybe h2h because even a waterd down version of VS is still good. the rest are a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by Vortex

with the exception of maybe h2h because even a waterd down version of VS is still good.

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Only for mnks. Making WoE weapon for Pup for the WS is pretty dumb.
Smite: 5.25ftp 60%STR crit WS.
Pummel: 5.75ftp 32%STR/VIT crit WS.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

so wait, if you suck more you get better drops?

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You didnt know this game caters to gimps?

sad thing is my blm is "gimp" and out nukes most blms in WoE, its just you only get SO much exp for just nukes / basic cures and that exp cap seems to be the golden spot for dice.
todays total
6 dice
6 p ores
metric ton of junk
4-5 smithing mats that i use . needed
1 coin of birth

total runs : 23

What am I supposed to do with the 46 coins of ruin my mule has?

My only pouch was Flux7 when I scored between 4 and less than 5kxp. It just happened to be the coin I needed, if I hadn't of got lucky with that pouch with those coins I'd be sitting at 7 coins of glory/55 runs

That's about the requisite number of hours it would take me to do 80-85 Ukon.

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Originally Posted by Nynja

What am I supposed to do with the 46 coins of ruin my mule has?

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Toss them and make a real empy.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

sad thing is my blm is "gimp" and out nukes most blms in WoE, its just you only get SO much exp for just nukes / basic cures and that exp cap seems to be the golden spot for dice.
todays total
6 dice
6 p ores
metric ton of junk
4-5 smithing mats that i use . needed
1 coin of birth

total runs : 23

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That's not good at all, I've done about 12 runs now, 9~12k exp each time, 5 Dice, and 6 coins (not ruin, but a lot of crap I've already made weapons with)

Edit: It's looking to just be completely random

I have an idea. Why not increase the drop rate of coins and die to reasonable levels, and do this instead to make WoE popular indefinitely: Make it so that any primeval brews you find in WoE, are preserved and available to you in abyssea as well? This means people will actually want to do WoE for free brews that they can then use in abyssea for things they want, ensuring that the event has interest for as long as abyssea does.

There's no reason to make people suffer for trying to get an inferior weapon, when you can simply reward people for coming with something everyone wants: free brews! (Ok, you won't get one every run, or even every couple runs, but out of 9 runs or so I've managed to get 2, and as fun as it is, I wished I could've saved them for something worthwhile, like Shinryu. lol)

I got two single coins and one devious dye out of like 6 runs, but most of the other stuff was just pure junk. I kinda wish I did spam woe before the update. Maybe could have finished daka +2 but now it seems like I could just as easily just gather to make an 85 emp dagger instead of waiting to do woe just once every game day for a random chance to win just a single coin cause I bet pouch drops are even more abysmal now.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Toss them and make a real empy.

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You mean like my Almace and Gandiva and the Vere on my mule and the Masamune on my other mule?

Or a real empy that requires 1500 heavy plates to cap out.

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Originally Posted by Psion

I have an idea. Why not increase the drop rate of coins and die to reasonable levels, and do this instead to make WoE popular indefinitely: Make it so that any primeval brews you find in WoE, are preserved and available to you in abyssea as well? This means people will actually want to do WoE for free brews that they can then use in abyssea for things they want, ensuring that the event has interest for as long as abyssea does.

There's no reason to make people suffer for trying to get an inferior weapon, when you can simply reward people for coming with something everyone wants: free brews! (Ok, you won't get one every run, or even every couple runs, but out of 9 runs or so I've managed to get 2, and as fun as it is, I wished I could've saved them for something worthwhile, like Shinryu. lol)

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No...Just no

And I've yet to see ANYONE get, or atleast use, a brew in WoE. I've checked my logs for the word "brew", and it hasnt shown up.

And upping coin drop rate wont matter...because theres limited utility with them. The only practical usage ones are the ones with the best WS available for that weapon:
GAX, h2h, katana, gun for brewing since ODD doesnt really matter on that weapon. Dagger and Bow are situational, I've found outside abyssea Jishnu to be roughly on par with Sidewinder, and Rudra's still needs SA/TA to be useful. I'm using my Almace for the first time outside Abyssea, it seems to be doing much more than Vorpal does, add that to the list.

staff and club are toys. gkt gsd plm scy are all meh

Back to my point, coins are going to run out of use at some point, upping drop rate on them to the point where they rain is just going to chase people away from that if thats why they're doing WoE. Right now the big draw for WoE is the fact that the expensive rare scrolls drop from WoE.

I've done 5 runs in 4 hours.
-1 Coin of Decay
-1 Coin of Glory
-2 Devious Die
I need 30 coins of birth for WoE gun, which at this rate could take 100s of runs. (100+ hours)

I can solo farm Carabosse and CC @ 30-45min per kill including the trigger nm pops when its not overcrowded. (24-60 hours to get all 100 items, and that's solo. Far less with a group.)

Isn't Walk of Echoes weapon supposed to be the easier route that gets you a less good weapon?

No point in making WoE gun when you can make 85 Armageddon in literally 8 hours.

Exactly my point. WoE should be easier to make than an Empyrean, not harder.

It is easier, you can have downs and be completely retarded with no idea what's going on and get coins. You actually have to SOMEWHAT know what you're doing to get a real emp(and that isn't saying much because cara/cirein/sobek/bukhis/etc are all jokes really..).

It takes much longer because my cat can play inside of WOE and get enough "points" to get coins from chests. If it wasn't so retard friendly I could see the coins raining from the sky, but I'm sure bad bad bad bad bad BAD players will just spam WOE for coins for months for their -1 emps and be happy. The event is well designed now imo, it's for the dumbest people alive.

After 70+ hours
Birth: 36
Adv.: 25
Glory: 57
Decay: 43
Ruin: 28

It seems #6 and #7 have better coins drop rate than others. The results look good for ppl collecting multiple weapons at the same time. The overall coin drop rate is steady I'd say. I can see the "major draw back" is no short cut in the new system. The playing field is even, everyone has to earn their coins.

I hope you guys are using the word "easy" very loosely because when it comes down to it, it's not the difficulty as far as effort is concerned, it's what's more time consuming. Right now, making a WoE half emp weapon is more time consuming than than KI and NM farming for pure emp weapons. No one wants to spend 4x as much time making a weaker version of an emp weapon if they really want it.

At this point, until coin drops are fixed, or at least have a store npc and/or a trade npc like for seals and crest, you either go big or not at all on an emp weapon.

If you want coins, go do 7...plain and simple.

7 has been the best for me as well...I just did it with my gimp RDM mule, a SCH, a BLM and a BST so its difficulty is...well not there.

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Originally Posted by Nynja

No...Just no

And I've yet to see ANYONE get, or atleast use, a brew in WoE. I've checked my logs for the word "brew", and it hasnt shown up.

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I got a brew on my second WoE since update (Flux 9). Was on Rdm91/Blm, nukes were doing 5kish I guess.

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Originally Posted by Vitus

After 70+ hours
Birth: 36
Adv.: 25
Glory: 57
Decay: 43
Ruin: 28

It seems #6 and #7 have better coins drop rate than others. The results look good for ppl collecting multiple weapons at the same time. The overall coin drop rate is steady I'd say. I can see the "major draw back" is no short cut in the new system. The playing field is even, everyone has to earn their coins.

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Dang I need to take a break from doing 11 lol.....

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Originally Posted by Soranika

Right now, making a WoE half emp weapon is more time consuming than than KI and NM farming for pure emp weapons. No one wants to spend 4x as much time making a weaker version of an emp weapon if they really want it.

At this point, until coin drops are fixed, or at least have a store npc and/or a trade npc like for seals and crest, you either go big or not at all on an emp weapon.

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This is definitely a big problem, also in conjunction with needing 100 Dice. WoE weapons had a solid chance this update to position for a leg up against Empyreans at 99 cap in terms of ease of obtaining the final weapon, but the large number needed definitely hurt this chance in my opinion. Of course, only the last level jump will tell.

Would be very nice to be able to trade 3:1 now that they don't go to lot pools at all though. Definitely very frustrating to get an item for a weapon you never plan to make at all when you can't even sell it.

Alrighty everyone, as I mentioned earlier I submitted your feedback to the development team and got a response from them.

Their idea and the current specifications are set so that you are guaranteed a reward by receiving a personal treasure chest, but getting exactly what you want each time is a difficult request.

They also commented that changing this to a lotting system is fine; however, since Walk of Echoes is a non-reserve system, you are playing with a maximum of 36 characters at the same time and if everyone single person says they want a specific item, you might not receive a reward at all. The development team wants to make sure you are okay with that.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Alrighty everyone, as I mentioned earlier I submitted your feedback to the development team and got a response from them.

Their idea and the current specifications are set so that you are guaranteed a reward by receiving a personal treasure chest, but getting exactly what you want each time is a difficult request.

They also commented that changing this to a lotting system is fine; however, since Walk of Echoes is a non-reserve system, you are playing with a maximum of 36 characters at the same time and if everyone single person says they want a specific item, you might not receive a reward at all. The development team wants to make sure you are okay with that.

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We are not asking for a lotting system, I don't believe anyone has even mentioned that. They have mentioned transferring their own loot pool from the chest to the zone loot pool but that is it.

Your/Their justification is that we get our own loot pool and therefor we get a better chance at getting coins. This statement is only, ONLY true for people who went in and tried to solo coins before and it is ONLY true now because people that were leeching before can go in and leech but get their own chest, therefor not affecting the drops of people who contributed to the fight.

The problem is that I could have got way better coins/loot before in a small group by ranking and getting a personal chest.

The other problem is that yes, I do get more coins, but they are coins I do not want, will not want, will never use. I have personally spent 80h (80 runs) doing Walk of Echoes since the last update and I have just about 20 of every coin. I do not want 20 of every coin, I want 30 of one type of coin.

We would prefer a system that allows us to qualify for a number of coins based on our performance and select that coin.

We would prefer a system that allows us to trade coins for coins that we want.

We would prefer a system that allows us to use points like Assaults where we trade points for specific coins that we want.

As of right now I can farm multiple Empyrean weapons faster than I can get coins in Walk of Echoes, if that is the intent then that needs to be stated. I think the general feeling is that Walk of Echoes should be easier as those weapons are by far not as good as their Empyrean counterparts, however right now it is taking more time to complete because of poor coin drop rate/implementation.

Edit: We like the changes to Walk of Echoes itself, but there needs to be a streamlined way to get coins/loot (as these changes could apply to scrolls as well)

The system is fine honestly, it's the random synthesis materials we only get at times compared to event specific rewards, like I can go to Wajaom and get some logs, I don't do WoE for the same logs.

Like here's how my chest looked last night:

Elm Log
Amber
bsomething Log
Durium Ore

Here's how my brother's looked:

Coin of Birth
clearite
Petrified Log
Gold Ingot

So for me personally, it's the random synthesis materials over event specific rewards, not the way it's distributed. While it's all random, it's depressing doing Flux 11 for example and walking out with nothing more than a few ingots and a cloth lol.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Alrighty everyone, as I mentioned earlier I submitted your feedback to the development team and got a response from them.

Their idea and the current specifications are set so that you are guaranteed a reward by receiving a personal treasure chest, but getting exactly what you want each time is a difficult request.

They also commented that changing this to a lotting system is fine; however, since Walk of Echoes is a non-reserve system, you are playing with a maximum of 36 characters at the same time and if everyone single person says they want a specific item, you might not receive a reward at all. The development team wants to make sure you are okay with that.

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I've already posted on the Test Server Feedback as well as on here before. I think there really are just 2 things that most people want change to the new WoE system:

1. Allow coins to be traded in for a different types. Make it a 3 coins in for 1 coin out of your desired coin type if it means it'll keep everyone happy and some sort of balance. [Or make it X coins in for 1 coin out where X is something within reason though].

2. Give us some sort of currency that is based on the current performance formula that is given out to players when timed out. Right now, there are a hugh amount of people that are doing WoE but most are just concentrating on 7/9/11 (at least on my server). And 36 gets capped faster than you can blink (literally). You cannot get anyone to do any other flux. By giving us some currency even if it means the solo'ers cannot clear bosses, you will give us an ability to earn towards buying coins/dices from an NPC (perhaps the NPC that you trade coins). This way, once all the mad rush dies off when most people got tried of not getting anything that's worth selling those that still need coins/dices will still have a way to progress towards their goals.