Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

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Originally Posted by Sprieth

Here's what I understand so far from the "change the min level" people.
People who leech to 90 hurt pick up parties, the auction house and low level gear, partying in old areas, Vanilla parties, and empty low level areas. And most of all...

They make it so someone can be equal or better than them over the course of 2 weeks starting at level 1.

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They hurt 90 pick up parties because you let them join. If you make a lvl 90 pick up party and you let someone not 90 join who's fault is that? If you want to lvl in the old areas there is no one stopping you from doing so, you just better hope you got enough friends to believe in the same thing you believe. And if someone leeches to 90 and after a course of 2 weeks gets as good or better than the OP. Well that's even better because that's a new job to join shout groups and gets stuff done. What I recommend for the OP is to make a LS and recruit people who wanna join exp parties like in the old days. Nothing wrong with that. Not everyone in an abyssea party can be a leech or shit would never get done.

for the 4000th time, everyone is in control of their own play experience. If you don't want to play with leechers/keyboxers, then don't play with them. Make your own party. Kick the undesirable people out. This isn't a problem that needs to be solved with artificial limits. It's something the players can handle on their own.

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Originally Posted by Zath

I "leech" XP in Abyssea off my LS mates, because my static and I were only level 61 when we returned to the game. Abyssea drew us back in because when we quit, the whole LS were High Levels constantly doing Dynamis or other random High Level junk that left us behind; there was never anything to do except hang out with my static getting crap XP and watching the whole LS pass us by. We quit out of boredom and frustration. Along came Abyssea which lets us chat with our freinds, and laugh while we open chests or get one-shotted for doing something dumb; socially Abyssea is allowing us to accomplish something in-game while having a good time AND learning from our peers the perks and responsibilities of being High Level. That said, I've never joined an XP party where we chatted outside of Abyssea; they were all essentially soulless grind-fests where everyone ignored each other except for chaining, constantly pulling, or popping abilities--there was no dialogue and I've never made a friendship through an XP party, though I've blacklisted an amazing quantity of "people". Raising the cap in Abyssea would once again seperate my static and I from our LS, leaving us to stand in low-level squalor while they have fun getting R/Ex weapons and cool gear. The player-base is shrinking, and Abyssea at least lets me hang out with my friends, seeing what they do, and learning from them how my own job(s) would/should be played. Put simply, raising the cap would drive us away once again.

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This was the other thread. I thought it was a good read and appropriate to quote in this one.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

This isn't a problem that needs to be solved with artificial limits. It's something the players can handle on their own.

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Whoah, slow down there man, next thing you'll be saying that people can influence their own future through hard work and perseverance.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Other way around. They could release significantly larger textures (taking up much more hard drive space for PC users), but they cannot perform a complete overhaul of the graphics without reprogramming the entire game engine. Even if they dropped PS2, they could not make FFXI look like FFXIV. Ever.

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They could just use a better engine. Only thing stopping them from doing that is $$$.

The only thing ever stopping anyone from doing anything is $$$.

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Originally Posted by rog

They could just use a better engine. Only thing stopping them from doing that is $$$.

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No argument here. Engines are costly, and FFXI is old. I'm not sure they'd be able to borrow/buy one suited for FFXI from someone else either, so they'll probably have to develop it in-house. I don't think FFXI has that much staff allocated to it.

Just slap all the textures and models into UE2 and make a new UI. How hard can it be?!

well probably a bit hard, but SE is pro at PC programming, right?

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Originally Posted by rog

Why are you guys saying a year to get to 75? It was faster in 2003. That is not even close to reasonable in 2011, not even for a brand new player.

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A year to 75? I took 9 months and 8 days to beating Maat and Abyssea wasn't around yet. I'm not sure if that time span is considered unusual or not tho.

Whm 1-75 back in '03 took less then a month. lol

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Whm 1-75 back in '03 took less then a month. lol

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Considering the level cap was only increased to 75 in the latter half of December 2003... (12/16/03)

Also, your sig hurts my eyes.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Considering the level cap was only increased to 75 in the latter half of December 2003... (12/16/03)

Also, your sig hurts my eyes.

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I did say less. lol
But WHM itself is a bad example, everyone invited them. Hell, I was fought over.

It took me almost 3 years to take drg to 75. But during that time I did get all other jobs 37+ with many in 60s.

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Originally Posted by Valefor4life

It took me almost 3 years to take drg to 75. But during that time I did get all other jobs 37+ with many in 60s.

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I know a dozen people who leveled everything to 30 along with crafts and then gave up saying the game had no content. lol

I honestly enjoyed lvling back in the day meet new ppl every party. But that was when u did /sea all and saw 4k-5k ppl. And the world was much smaller too.

I personally think that being able to leech your job to 65+ is amazing. I don't know about anyone else, but have you taken a look at the AH for gear between lvl 10~60? It's a joke, Not to mention that buying gear for 5 levels, turning around and selling it, buying more gear, etc etc... You get my point. I could fly through the levels the old way not AS fast but not much slower than doing it in abyssea. It honestly just took more effort and determination. I suppose if you were looking at it from that perspective I could understand a little... But c'mon... If you can not figure out how to play a job you keyed to 90 within a week and you have been playing this longer than a year or so, something is wrong and you need to go check out WoW or something. Go level whm, you can sit back and watch everything happen while learning your job at the same time. You just need to pay attention! My first post^^ I lov this forum! TY SE!

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Originally Posted by Smokey

I personally think that being able to leech your job to 65+ is amazing. I don't know about anyone else, but have you taken a look at the AH for gear between lvl 10~60? It's a joke, Not to mention that buying gear for 5 levels, turning around and selling it, buying more gear, etc etc... You get my point. I could fly through the levels the old way not AS fast but not much slower than doing it in abyssea. It honestly just took more effort and determination. I suppose if you were looking at it from that perspective I could understand a little... But c'mon... If you can not figure out how to play a job you keyed to 90 within a week and you have been playing this longer than a year or so, something is wrong and you need to go check out WoW or something. Go level whm, you can sit back and watch everything happen while learning your job at the same time. You just need to pay attention! My first post^^ I lov this forum! TY SE!

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So you complain that you used to ahve to buy gear every 5 or so levels as you leveled up....... you do know you where playing an MMORPG right?

He saved over 500k by switching to Abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

He saved over 500k by switching to Abyssea.

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It's like that allstate commercial where they compare the prices of different auto insurances... instead it's comparing the costs of different forms of exp.

I wasnt complaining, I was attempting to make a point. You don't have to bother with doing that anymore, which is nice. And yes, I know what im playing.. I figured someone would of trolled my post immediately lmao..

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Originally Posted by Kazen

It's like that allstate commercial where they compare the prices of different auto insurances... instead it's comparing the costs of different forms of exp.

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And yes, I did save 500K by switching to Abyssea lol.. That epic...

I suppose if im going to leech exp, might as well take your quote to lol..

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Originally Posted by Smokey

I wasnt complaining, I was attempting to make a point. You don't have to bother with doing that anymore, which is nice. And yes, I know what im playing.. I figured someone would of trolled my post immediately lmao..

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no you dont get it....... "dont have to bother doing that anymore" when applying it to obtaining gear for leveling from 30 to 60+ should never even be thought of in an MMORPG let alone actually happen.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

no you dont get it....... "dont have to bother doing that anymore" when applying it to obtaining gear for leveling from 30 to 60+ should never even be thought of in an MMORPG let alone actually happen.

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What gear between levels 30 and 60 was worth getting?

Oh yeah. Just about none of it.

Edit: Obvious exceptions still apply, but most of them (PCC, Okotes, Fumas) still apply at 60+ anyways.

If you don't want to lvl in Abyssea and want to do regular parties, a lot of it depends on the server. I finished up my 90s on Ifrit in Abyss and then wanted to lvl a new job but wasn't able to in regular lvls.. Areas were empty. I moved to Asura on a friends invite and now there are tons of people lvling in regular lvls and got to 65 in no time at all. Ifrit was all Abyss all the time and was dying quickly. Asura has a good mix of players still doing parties plus lots of newer players wanting help with COP and other missions.

I say this because lots of people keep saying to go lvl the way you want to, if you can find enough people who want to lvl like you. I"m just saying it may be nessesary to change servers to accomplish this. Perhaps it would help if they moved to certain servers.. Just a thought.

What are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by magnius

What are you talking about?

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The point is that he can't lv in regular areas, because they're empty.
People here tend to say you can choose the way you lv, but that's just wrong.
It's Leech or nothing and this problem is growing atm.

You can do easily 5k/hour easily with FOV and new exp increase if your lazy. This game has reached End game and that's the majority of the focus. Besides there's nothing wrong with leeching to 90 and going back and soloing ZM COP missions XD. But of course your gonna have someone complain about everything oh well. I'll go enjoy farming my AF3+2 on friday with one or two of my buddies ^^.

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Originally Posted by Nacht

As a linkshell we have an unstated rule regarding Empyrean weapons from Tahrongi Canyon. If you want one there, you're going to AoE burn for chests and most of the linkshell is going to leech a job.

As a team, there are several of us opening the contents of chests for keyitems while other members of the team focus on killing shit. By working as a team, we maximize the number of chests we obtain. If we were to do this on a level 90 job, it's unfair that we get no reward (from exp chests) for helping our linkshell members obtain their empyrean weapons while we take on the incredibly important task of holding key items for them.

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Level 90 still gets Merits for exp. So chests arent for waste.

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Originally Posted by Valefor4life

You can do easily 5k/hour easily with FOV and new exp increase if your lazy. This game has reached End game and that's the majority of the focus. Besides there's nothing wrong with leeching to 90 and going back and soloing ZM COP missions XD. But of course your gonna have someone complain about everything oh well. I'll go enjoy farming my AF3+2 on friday with one or two of my buddies ^^.

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Sure we can do 5k and more with FoV and exp incerase. But we do not want to solo much in this game, only with solo jobs like BST. This game is a grinder game for ppl who like partyes. Becouse it is a RPG it has to level slow to enjoy every level buy gear by gear, be attracted by the gear outfits and the places you meet.
Most newcomers level 90 never seen Tazvania Safehold.
And its not the way of this game to leech to 90 and do CoP and other things on your own, we all had to level slow, had level caps and needed to get in as a team. We grown together, we played together and we got forged together.
This game has always been a group game and its really sad that ppl leech and use the removed level cap to solo things instead of playing as a team.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Sure we can do 5k and more with FoV and exp incerase. But we do not want to solo much in this game, only with solo jobs like BST. This game is a grinder game for ppl who like partyes. Becouse it is a RPG it has to level slow to enjoy every level buy gear by gear, be attracted by the gear outfits and the places you meet.
Most newcomers level 90 never seen Tazvania Safehold.
And its not the way of this game to leech to 90 and do CoP and other things on your own, we all had to level slow, had level caps and needed to get in as a team. We grown together, we played together and we got forged together.
This game has always been a group game and its really sad that ppl leech and use the removed level cap to solo things instead of playing as a team.

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Not everyone is lucky enough to find help to complete these missions. Times change. Change with them or get left behind.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Level 90 still gets Merits for exp. So chests arent for waste.

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I would say most poeple are merit capped by now...I know I am

Ya I'm capped merits too. No jobs left to lvl. That's why I was hoping for a group 3 or group 4 merits with the mini update. Doubt that will happen before the next lvl cap increase. From now till then basically any exp I get is going down the drain, so sad ; ;.

Not everyone is lucky enough to find help to complete these missions. Times change. Change with them or get left behind.




Well said, if this game stayed like 2003, it wouldn't have made it this far. Roll with it or get left behind.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

We grown together, we played together and we got forged together.

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That's funny because I remember being left behind in CoP by my static because I couldn't play 18hours a day. I wasn't alone. I didn't have an LS for the first 2 years I played because I wasn't 75. When I finally got 75 and a shell people avoided me like the plague when I asked for help for CoP. It wasn't like I just logged on and asked for help. I did several weeks of events with them before I asked. I only finished CoP because I shouted for who needed it. It took me 7days of shouting at different times of the day. On the last day it took me 4hours to get 6people because the majority of people already finished CoP. I came to somehow become a sack in a Sky LS whose members said I sucked the leader's dick for w.legs when I lotted nothing of any value the entire year I was in the LS. I became a sack to an HNM LS whose members called me a slut and I sucked the leaders dick for my relic. It wasn't the events I led. Nor was it my work I put in to leading. No. I was avoided because of it.

I have never felt any form of comradery the 8years I played. It was mostly filled with dealing with a lot of assholes, greedy and selfish people. I can call perhaps two people friends after these 8years. Where is the growing together part? Where is the forging you're talking about?

This isn't a rant. I'm showing you that not everyone's journey in FFXI was so rosy and perfect.

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This game has always been a group game

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I also remember people crying about the game always requiring groups to accomplish anything. That they wished they could just go out whenever they could to solo what they needed. They got what they wanted.

People are never happy I swear.

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Originally Posted by Valefor4life

You can do easily 5k/hour easily with FOV and new exp increase if your lazy. This game has reached End game and that's the majority of the focus. Besides there's nothing wrong with leeching to 90 and going back and soloing ZM COP missions XD. But of course your gonna have someone complain about everything oh well. I'll go enjoy farming my AF3+2 on friday with one or two of my buddies ^^.

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That's what I'm saying and I'm not complaining. Exp is very high now in regular parties and I am now on a server where parties are easy to find. I don't need to solo or even duo/trio FOV but I do if I have a short time to play. 5k in FOV an hour is too weak compared to exp in parties now. If you want to exp in parties you still can, on certain servers and they are very easy to put together in a few minutes.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Level 90 still gets Merits for exp. So chests arent for waste.

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Not when everyone in the ls is capped on merits, except for the 2 days after they get a new 75+

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

This game is a grinder game for ppl who like partyes. Becouse it is a RPG it has to level slow to enjoy every level buy gear by gear, be attracted by the gear outfits and the places you meet.

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Maybe this game used to be that, but the focus of this game is to reach a high level and then do endgame activities. Otherwise you might as well remove all endgame content if your entire goal is to exp jobs slowly.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

And its not the way of this game to leech to 90 and do CoP and other things on your own, we all had to level slow, had level caps and needed to get in as a team. We grown together, we played together and we got forged together.
This game has always been a group game and its really sad that ppl leech and use the removed level cap to solo things instead of playing as a team.

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As a team, we're helping each other to get fast exp on low level jobs. It's all about teamwork.

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Originally Posted by Valefor4life

Ya I'm capped merits too. No jobs left to lvl. That's why I was hoping for a group 3 or group 4 merits with the mini update. Doubt that will happen before the next lvl cap increase. From now till then basically any exp I get is going down the drain, so sad ; ;.

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See, if there were no exp treasures in Abyssea you whould have enough things to exp for for some months^^
Now you outrun yourself and need to wait months till SE maybe makes some new areas or Merits.
The you run again in Abyssea to open 3-4chests and your exp is caped again, and again you are stuck and have nothing to do, sooner or later you get bored of waiting on SE to add new parts and you give up onf ffxi.

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Originally Posted by Valefor4life

Not everyone is lucky enough to find help to complete these missions. Times change. Change with them or get left behind.

Well said, if this game stayed like 2003, it wouldn't have made it this far. Roll with it or get left behind.

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So you arent as good as ppl from 2003? Or why do you think you whouldnt be as far as them.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

See, if there were no exp treasures in Abyssea you whould have enough things to exp for for some months^^

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No, I'd simply not cap my merits, or not level a new job. Allowing massive xp gain has given me more things to do, since I can equip new jobs from scratch when I'm bored enough.

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Now you outrun yourself and need to wait months till SE maybe makes some new areas or Merits.
The you run again in Abyssea to open 3-4chests and your exp is caped again, and again you are stuck and have nothing to do, sooner or later you get bored of waiting on SE to add new parts and you give up onf ffxi.

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No, when my exp is capped, I go equip my jobs, clearly something you don't seem to do. Or work on another Empyrean weapon. I'm guessing you were trying to be so secretive about your character is because you have no notable gear. Probably one of those people wearing full aurore, teal, or perle.