Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Gunit]

It is very much leeching if you not helping the group and don't need to be there.

[Alkalinehoe]

please restrict abyssea content to only level 90s ty they ruining my experiences

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

[Zeitzone]

It is very much leeching if you not helping the group and don't need to be there.

If you dont help the group then gtfo the area, we need no afk ppl who dont do anything, you get warped out of any area from BLM if you do such a think, thats how it has been in FFXI all the time, you stand afk in Dynamis? D2 goodbye.

Ok GF is angry. Im off >.<

[Sprieth]

Doing something togehter on your true level to get a reward is teamwork and is no leeching.
Beeing a level 30 openeing chest, or getting synched up to 90 while orginaly beeing 30 is cheating.

Why bother playing anymore? If synching and abyssea is cheating then what else is left? Basically if I try to level at all I will be considered a cheater now. If you don't want the game to be updated play a offline FF while finding a FF chat forum. That way the game will never change and you won't have to worry.

[Nacht]

Doing something togehter on your true level to get a reward is teamwork and is no leeching.
Beeing a level 30 openeing chest, or getting synched up to 90 while orginaly beeing 30 is cheating.

Final goodnight, GF is waiting.

As a linkshell we have an unstated rule regarding Empyrean weapons from Tahrongi Canyon. If you want one there, you're going to AoE burn for chests and most of the linkshell is going to leech a job.

As a team, there are several of us opening the contents of chests for keyitems while other members of the team focus on killing shit. By working as a team, we maximize the number of chests we obtain. If we were to do this on a level 90 job, it's unfair that we get no reward (from exp chests) for helping our linkshell members obtain their empyrean weapons while we take on the incredibly important task of holding key items for them.

[Chocobits]

will say this though. I think its better for the new player if abyssea is 70 or 75, that could be part of the reason of lack of new people, even though we been getting lack of new people for a while.

I think part of the fact that there's no new people is because:

A) SE never aggressively marketed FFXI
B) SE Flailed with FFXIV and brought shame to their name as an MMO provider (because ppl don't understand the roman numerals and think only of it as "Final Fantasy Online" and how they're hearing how much that game sucks!
C) The few people on other MMO forums that know the difference between XI and XIV blast XI for its primitive graphics.
D) Without the PS2 holding us back, we could have had a complete graphical overhaul similar to what WoW had done (I guess, never played it after that but i heard it had better 3-D graphics or something)
E) People defending to the death their 640x480 Obsolete2 consoles.
F) Japan is a ripe target for natural disasters. It's been pointed out in other forums that interruption or discontinuation of service was always a possibility there (more so than in most other places).
G) SE is STILL not marketing their online game. In fact, I wonder if they aren't secretly trying to brush XIV under the rug and starting a new MMO. XIV is like Windows Vista - it had such a horrible start that no matter what M$ did to turn it around (and it eventually didn't turn out to be a TERRIBLE OS), nobody wanted anything to do with it because of its reputation. SE is lying low and hoping they're more or less forgotten by the current gen of MMO players. Then when they're forgotten, they'll pop out like they're a completely new company and blow the onlookers away with gorgeous gfx, non laggy controls, great story, but (and this is 12 years from now) you STILL won't be able to Alt+Tab in fullscreen mode without crashing the game. Which brings me to H:
H) Final Fantasy Online games are the only MMOs or any kind of DX games that simply CANNOT be Alt-Tabbed out of in fullscreen mode. Not because of technical difficulties. Not because of lack of programming skill. This was intentionally added to the game 8 1/2 years ago to force monopolization of the computer so that cheat programs couldn't be manipulated in the background (is what I assume anyway, else WHY would anyone do this?!). This practice not only didn't stop cheats from being developed, it hastened their development as people that wanted a sizable Window and Alt-Tab banded together to make a wrapper for FFXI. Windower opened the door to all kinds of bots, hacks and cheats. Flash forward 8 years:
SE releases its next MMO - which still can't Alt-Tab without crashing.
I) Nevermind how much SE bowed and scraped after the fact, they completely ignored the cries of the hacking victims from '07. They blameshifted on people that used gilbuying sites without knowing the situation - that legit FFXI info sites (as well as many other MMOs) had their ad banner servers compromised to deliver drive-by exploits. I blasted them in a post for their Official Statement on the matter, which I summed up as this:

We have received reports that a popular third-party FINAL FANTASY XI website had been infecting customers with malicious software...

We suggest that our customers read up on precautionary measures they can take to ensure the safety of their information online.

Square Enix, a company who cares... about your money.

Work on all of the above and stop developing for hardware that is already on its way to extinction and releasing halfassed games, then maybe some new people will want to join!

[Greatguardian]

People who think that the PS2 (or 360, or PS3) is what keeps FFXI from having "omg uber graphix" never cease to amaze me.

Protip: No.

[blowfin]

Well you low level chars could get killed by 1 strike in that FF part of the area.
And its grinding.
Abyssea is no grinding, its pure leeching with overstated exp reward for level 30.
Huge difference.

I know I`m late to the party but I`m amazed that people keep regurgitating the same nonsense about this...

A lot of people like leeching in Abyss for the following (but not limited to) reasons
-It's a sub they want to level, equipping it is a waste of time and money
-They have the skills capped from other jobs, traditional leveling is a waste of time and money
-Leveling jobs to 90 gets boring after several jobs

Why must you all try to block the enjoyment of people who prefer it for the above reasons? I don`t understand

The `it makes bad players` argument has been pointed out as a total fallacy several times in this thread and is no longer valid as an argument, sorry.

The solutions to this perceived `problem` are these:
-Don`t allow an excess of leechers in your groups (If you don`t make the groups then stop complaining because you haven`t actually tried to fix the `problem`)
-Don`t exp in abyss. There are plenty of ways to make EXP outside. News flash: you don`t need a full 6 man party to pull in reasonable EXP in a group.

Raising the level cap in Abyss will do two things, and not much more:
-Annoy the hell out of a lot of people
-Make a lot of people quit

Both of those things are far, far worse for the game than the perceived issues stemming from leeching, which people are fabricating for their own devices really.

[Yarly]

People who think that the PS2 (or 360, or PS3) is what keeps FFXI from having "omg uber graphix" never cease to amaze me.

Protip: No.

So true, the amount of stupid is pure entertainment.

[Khiinroye]

Leeching means you are contributing nothing, like the lv 70+ people who stand around at the dominion ops NPC. If your xp group is good, keying the chests keeps you busy the whole time, and you're spending 50,000 cruor per stack of keys, which you can go through very fast. Therefore, if you're lv 30 or lv 90, you're contributing the same thing, and you're your true level, too!

Pre-abyssea "leeching", the leech just stood in korroloka tunnel or in an xp party and did nothing. In abyssea, the leech has to actively contribute to the group. You could also level jobs over time via xp scrolls and campaign ops, without fighting a single mob.

The pro-increase arguments have been debunked again and again, only to be repeated with an "its cheating, its wrong, it kills low level stuff that about 10 people want to do!" Most of the playerbase has done the grind, several times, and don't want to go through with it for the 5th or 8th or 12th time.

If people wanted to do low level content, you'd see shouts for eco-warrior or garrison.

SE has taken a stance on grinding before. Its called the April 21, 2005 update.