Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

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Originally Posted by magnius

Really though, if you haven't bothered to read up on a single concept, in this case, either the first FIVE TO TEN PAGES or the last 5-10 pages, means you really haven't put any thought in your assumptions...as seen when I asked if you have ever considered anything else other than your first reactive thought:

It only makes your argument weak.

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The players argument ist still the same, stop your flaming propaganda just becouse he/she didnt read up the thread or some pages, the argument ist the same however she/he reads the posts before or not becouse the posts have nothing to do with her argument.
She whoould just recognize how stuborn thickheaded the leeching site in this thread is.

First off, thank you so much for finally using the Spellcheck feature. Christ.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

I like thick storylines with ingame scenes and slow level up as it is supposed to be in RPGs. As it has been for ages in FFXI, and as every RPG FF part has always been, a grinders game!
Thats why all this leeching destroys an Era, a very long grinding saga!

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Eras ends. It happens. It happens in history and it's happening now.

lol raise lvl cap to 70+ and also put a restriction on mob xp outside of abyssea such as if a mob is attacking someone that is not in your party but is unclaimed killing it gives no xp at all and there you have it no leeching and smn burn leeching is dead as well. and im sure someone will say that opens up a way for someone to pull a whole zone and ruin xp for people. well they should make it a rule that its a way to get banned same as harrasment and so on. if that was done there would be no more leeching and people would finnaly have to earn what they get. alot of what i said might never happen but it would certainly fit it. :p

please restrict abyssea content to only level 90s ty they ruining my experiences

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

The players argument ist still the same, stop your flaming propaganda just becouse he/she didnt read up the thread or some pages, the argument ist the same however she/he reads the posts before or not becouse the posts have nothing to do with her argument.
She whoould just recognize how stuborn thickheaded the leeching site in this thread is.

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I'm sorry, I have never flamed anyone. You only think I'm flaming because I don't agree with you.

I only tell people to read up on what they're arguing for because every single person who's made an argument against leeching has yet to make a strong argument. It doesn't really take much effort really, but they choose not to make any effort, as evident in Ceinwyn's post.

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First off, thank you so much for finally using the Spellcheck feature. Christ.

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My german pc will not checkup english words.

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Originally Posted by Emitremmus

It's the gap from 30-70 that bothers me most. Those are important levels to earn and find your playstyle for a given job in my opinion. By the time you are level 70 I think you have a good feel of how things work and grinding to 90 in 3 days is no big deal. You then have to learn how to pace yourself in an alliance, which is never a bad thing.

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People who grind to 90 in 3 days affect you how? If they suck that badly don't play with them, that's what kick is for. Do those those people offend you so much cause they level to 90 so fast and you did it the hard way? How is that smug up there on that high chair of yours?

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Originally Posted by Valefor4life

People who grind to 90 in 3 days affect you how? If they suck that badly don't play with them, that's what kick is for. Do those those people offend you so much cause they level to 90 so fast and you did it the hard way? How is that smug up there on that high chair of yours?

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Here's what I understand so far from the "change the min level" people.
People who leech to 90 hurt pick up parties, the auction house and low level gear, partying in old areas, Vanilla parties, and empty low level areas. And most of all...

They make it so someone can be equal or better than them over the course of 2 weeks starting at level 1.

or you know the whole thread was started as a joke? lol
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/103...t=#post4483708

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Originally Posted by Gunit

or you know the whole thread was started as a joke? lol
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/103...t=#post4483708

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Worthless propaganda^^
Makeing threads to make the "raise access" thread look silly becouse they are beeing scared of loosing them leeching ground.

scared? lol Don't think I am worried about it at all.

I guess I'll just have to leech everything before that happens.

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Originally Posted by Emitremmus

It's the gap from 30-70 that bothers me most. Those are important levels to earn and find your playstyle for a given job in my opinion. By the time you are level 70 I think you have a good feel of how things work and grinding to 90 in 3 days is no big deal. You then have to learn how to pace yourself in an alliance, which is never a bad thing.

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From leveling WHM outside abyssea to 75, I learned not to cast curaga. Meriting RDM on colibri, I learned to cast curaga2 after someone non-retarded does a WS because it's more mp efficient if you hit 3 or more people.

In Abyssea, I learned that RDM can't heal for shit on big NMs, and WHM can cast curagas whenever they want. If a whm pulls hate, they have enough hp to survive while curing themselves, so rarely matters.

Funny how I learned a completely different play style in abyssea compared to grinding outside abyssea. It's not that difficult for decent players to pick up how to play their jobs even after leeching in abyssea.

I think the problem is that people need to pass a retardation test before they can enter abyssea. That way the retarded gimps who can't figure out how to play their jobs won't be able to leech in abyssea. By doing this, everyone (except the retards) will be happy.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Worthless propaganda^^
Makeing threads to make the "raise access" thread look silly becouse they are beeing scared of loosing them leeching ground.

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I have 7 90's, 6 of which I've had since WotG came out, and 2 of which I've had since ToAU came out. If I wanted to leech and get a Maat's Cap, I could and would have done so ages ago. I am garnering no personal benefit from leeching.

That said, you're ridiculous. Your arguments consist of nothing more than "This is right. This is moral. We need to do it this way or we'll be lost to the heathens." It's nothing but ironic coming from you. You're in no position to tell other people what is "right" for FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Gunit

scared? lol Don't think I am worried about it at all.

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Date of first post and opening this thread: 08.03.11

Your BS talk on that page: 03-15-2011 10:12 AM

So any more stupid lies you want to say?

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Date of first post and opening this thread: 08.03.11

Your BS talk on that page: 03-15-2011 10:12 AM

So any more stupid lies you want to say?

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Yup, this thread is 7 days older then BS. lol

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Date of first post and opening this thread: 08.03.11

Your BS talk on that page: 03-15-2011 10:12 AM

So any more stupid lies you want to say?

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lol where did I say I was scared? I have yet to leech any job in abyssea other then some sub jobs. I couldn't care less if the level cap was changed. Do I think it should be changed? No but again Don't care.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Yup, this thread is 7 days older then BS. lol

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I think Gunit just mixed up the threads. The "Lower the cap" thread is the one he was referencing, and yes it was made as a joke response to this utterly worthless thread.

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Originally Posted by Sprieth

Here's what I understand so far from the "change the min level" people.
People who leech to 90 hurt pick up parties, the auction house and low level gear, partying in old areas, Vanilla parties, and empty low level areas. And most of all...

They make it so someone can be equal or better than them over the course of 2 weeks starting at level 1.

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I was replying to this post with the link to BG

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I think Gunit just mixed up the threads. The "Lower the cap" thread is the one he was referencing, and yes it was made as a joke response to this utterly worthless thread.

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^This.

Both abyssea minimum level threads are more or less the same discussion anyway.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I have 7 90's, 6 of which I've had since WotG came out, and 2 of which I've had since ToAU came out. If I wanted to leech and get a Maat's Cap, I could and would have done so ages ago. I am garnering no personal benefit from leeching.

That said, you're ridiculous. Your arguments consist of nothing more than "This is right. This is moral. We need to do it this way or we'll be lost to the heathens." It's nothing but ironic coming from you. You're in no position to tell other people what is "right" for FFXI.

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But you too are not the one to tell them! How can you dare to say leeching is right?

But i know this game has been a antileech game for several years and all FF games are build on the old fashion RPG way.
So thats the standart of this serie.
So we do not let leeching destroy our game fun by make grinding look redicioleus.
Becouse leeching is redicioleus, leeching isnt RPG style!
Its for ppl with no stamina, ppl who cant do anything alone. Deffending themselves by senseless arguments why leeching is allright. If leeching is possible in such high amount as it is now, then leveling becomes absolutly wortless, we dont need 90 levels if we can leech those up in 2 weeks, then we just play an action adventure without any leveling.
What are 90 levels good for if you dont even recognize them becouse 10 of them get up in a row.

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Originally Posted by Nacht

^This.

Both abyssea minimum level threads are more or less the same discussion anyway.

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No its this lol

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Originally Posted by Sprieth

Here's what I understand so far from the "change the min level" people.
People who leech to 90 hurt pick up parties, the auction house and low level gear, partying in old areas, Vanilla parties, and empty low level areas. And most of all...

They make it so someone can be equal or better than them over the course of 2 weeks starting at level 1.

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Originally Posted by Gunit

or you know the whole thread was started as a joke? lol
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/103...t=#post4483708

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but yeah both are the same discussion

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Originally Posted by Nacht

^This.

Both abyssea minimum level threads are more or less the same discussion anyway.

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Which shall now be merged into one super thread entitled "Go into abyssea at the level in which you feel most comfortable."

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Which shall now be merged into one super thread entitled "Go into abyssea at the level in which you feel most comfortable."

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lol. why does my post need to be longer?

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

But you too are not the one to tell them! How can you dare to say leeching is right?

But i know this game has been a antileech game for several years and all FF games are build on the old fashion RPG way.
So thats the standart of this serie.
So we do not let leeching destory our game fun by make grinding look redicioleus.
Becouse leeching is redicioleus, leeching isnt RPG style!
Its for ppl with no stamina, ppl who cant do anything alone. Deffending themselves by senseless arguments why leeching is allright. If leeching is possible in such high amount as it is now, then leveling becomes absolutly wortless, we dont need 90 levels if we can leech those up in 2 weeks, then we just play an action adventure without any leveling.
What are 90 levels good for if you dont even recognize them becouse 10 of them get up in a row.

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Okay, seriously, I'm not trying to be ethnically insensitive but you need to slow down with your typing. I know English is not your first language, but it is extremely difficult to read your posts when you do not stop and proofread them.

Also, no, I'm not making any sort of judgment. SE has left leeching in the game. I am fine with it. If I was not fine with it, I would get over it. What I do not appreciate are people coming in demanding that SE change their game to suit their wants. If they raised the entry requirement? I'd get over it. You're the one threatening to quit, not me. I simply do not appreciate the way you and others talk down to everyone here, as if leeching makes people unworthy of playing FFXI.

If all the players with that attitude quit, I doubt anyone would miss them.

Edit: Protip, even the best players in the game don't have that sort of crap attitude.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I think Gunit just mixed up the threads. The "Lower the cap" thread is the one he was referencing, and yes it was made as a joke response to this utterly worthless thread.

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yeah but that thread also has you in it saying your going to come in here and troll lol

The other thread is about BS to reduce access to level 1.
So that other thread is totaly senseless and noone takes it seriously, i wrote 1 coment there that im against it, and thats all. Even comming on a dumb idea like making a opossite meening wortless crap thread is BS for itself.
Sure there whould be any kind of responses to that bullshit, noone wants a level 1 entrance to Abyssea, wtf, why not a level 0 entrance. Hey why not starting the game directly in Abyssea beside of 10 Exp treasures.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

So we do not let leeching destory our game fun by make grinding look redicioleus.
Becouse leeching is redicioleus, leeching isnt RPG style!

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So you never took a high level character in an rpg into a battle with a low level character to level them? When you play other Final Fantasy games, all your characters are -always- similar levels? When playing pokemon, you always carried around pokemon of the same level and never used a high level one to level up the lower ones?

Don't spread filthy lies about leeching having no place in RPGs

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

But you too are not the one to tell them! How can you dare to say leeching is right?

But i know this game has been a anti-leech game for several years and all FF games are build on the old fashion RPG way.
So thats the standard of this series.
So we do not let leeching destroy our game fun by make grinding look ridiculous.
Because leeching is ridiculous, leeching isn't RPG style!
Its for ppl with no stamina, ppl who cant do anything alone. Defending themselves by senseless arguments why leeching is alright. If leeching is possible in such high amount as it is now, then leveling becomes absolutely worthless, we don't need 90 levels if we can leech those up in 2 weeks, then we just play an action adventure without any leveling.
What are 90 levels good for if you don't even recognize them because 10 of them get up in a row.

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Sorry just the way this guy writes has been bugging the living hell out of me for the past day or so after reading his posts.
I mean hell I don't type that well most of the time but not as bad as him.

And it seems like you're making it seem like having a Lv90 character is good or something like a Trophy or some such idea, which is silly in itself.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

The other thread is about BS to reduce access to level 1.
So that other thread is totaly senseless and noone takes it seriously, i wrote 1 coment there that im against it, and thats all. Even comming on a dumb idea like making a opossite meening wortless crap thread is BS for itself.
Sure there whould be any kind of responses to that bullshit, noone wants a level 1 entrance to Abyssea, wtf, why not a level 0 entrance. Hey why not starting the game directly in Abyssea beside of 10 Exp treasures.

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how is this thread any less of bullshit?

I fully Support raising Cap to 70+ all leeching has done for the game is make old areas obsolete and baron of people no one party's anymore. What is point of MMO if your not out partying and meeting new people and friends. As Abyssea stands right now game has gotten stagnant no one does anything but goto Abyssea and leech as many jobs as they can to 90, whats the point so you can get Maat's Cap oh wow now that was challenging wasn't it not. Let bring the fun back to all areas (The World) in game not just Abyssea.

O.O calm down zeitzone. getting mad and going off like that is just what the people your debating with want. dont give into your frustrations with them :)

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I simply do not appreciate the way you and others talk down to everyone here, as if leeching makes people unworthy of playing FFXI.

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But thats the point, becouse leeching is not okey, it makes ppl unworthy to play this game, it makes them unworthy to play any RPG.
Leeching is not RPG way. RPG players do not leech.
I dont dislike the persons who are leeching, i dislike that they chose the way of leeching.
Becouse it isnt the way a RPG is meant to be played.

And i wish i had a program to overcheck my english writing, but i got noone.

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Originally Posted by Arconis

I fully Support raising Cap to 70+ all leeching has done for the game is make old areas obsolete and baron of people no one party's anymore. What is point of MMO if your not out partying and meeting new people and friends. As Abyssea stands right now game has gotten stagnant no one does anything but goto Abyssea and leech as many jobs as they can to 90, whats the point so you can get Maat's Cap oh wow now that was challenging wasn't it not. Let bring the fun back to all areas (The World) in game not just Abyssea.

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Wouldn't that mean that they like leeching jobs and getting to 90? So lowering the cap would keep people happy?

70+ would mean that I could start making money on silk thread again. lol
Either way, up, down or no change, it's all the same to me.

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Originally Posted by Nacht

So you never took a high level character in an rpg into a battle with a low level character to level them? When you play other Final Fantasy games, all your characters are -always- similar levels? When playing pokemon, you always carried around pokemon of the same level and never used a high level one to level up the lower ones?

Don't spread filthy lies about leeching having no place in RPGs

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I never did, becouse thats cheating.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

But thats the point, becouse leeching is not okey, it makes ppl unworthy to play this game, it makes them unworthy to play any RPG.
Leeching is not RPG way. RPG players do not leech.
I dont dislike the persons who are leeching, i dislike that they chose the way of leeching.
Becouse it isnt the way a RPG is meant to be played.

And i wish i had a program to overcheck my english writing, but i got noone.

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I think leeching is very big part of the game, has been around long before abyssea came out.

I still stand with partying through the old way, you gain skill and knowledge on an ever changing platform of challenges and solutions to tons of problems . . . . What do you get from abyssea . . . . (I learned to key a chest 89243798527349 times. . . . . ) Please lvl entry to 70 XDDDDDD. Even if you say you learn nothing from normal partying because you do the same thing over and over and over again the fact is you don't do the same thing over an over again, not every party is the same not every party is perfect. It's the same way in RL practice means perfect my friend. Alot of people who do things outside abyssea usually go with the job they lvled from 1-75 normally because they got a full understanding of skills they had to repeatably use over and over and over again along with timing and precision. Being well seasoned on job shows quality in work which not saying that people who leech have no understanding of there job, they are just few and far between. Even back in the day there were people that didn't know what they were doing but they are not as common as they are now. Abyssea also caters to the lazy players the new comers also need to learn the way of FFXI and I am sorry there not going to learn leeching from 30-90 doing keys.

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Originally Posted by Sanjurio

Sorry just the way this guy writes has been bugging the living hell out of me for the past day or so after reading his posts.
I mean hell I don't type that well most of the time but not as bad as him.

And it seems like you're making it seem like having a Lv90 character is good or something like a Trophy or some such idea, which is silly in itself.

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Well on some way its the reward of a long and hard RPG time, yes.
Same as when you play Pokemon you are proud to have reach the maximum level of your pokemon over a long time of battles. What meaning whould it have to get your Pokemon from level 1 to 100 in 1day. No fun, no Proud.

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Originally Posted by Gunit

I think leeching is very big part of the game, has been around long before abyssea came out.

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I have personal PL'd them on many occasions long before TAU even existed.(No, the leecher wasn't the one fighting.) We've just found a new and exciting way to do it.