Sooo SE actually wants to know the numbers of PS2 users eh?

I don't see the big deal with ps2 players not wanting to switch. It's not like you can use a PS2 controller on a pc, so basically it would feel the same except you are running it on a better machine.

Ok so i read this thread and i just don't understand why people are so insistent on saving the PS2. The whole thing about your computer slowing down or lagging or crashing is irrational. I grabbed my PC Vana'diel collection to look at the system requirements, and i'm trying to understand where this arguement comes in.

Operating System: Windows 2000/XP/VISTA
CPU: Pentium III 800Mhz or faster.
Memory: 128 MB RAM
Graphics Card: GeForce series with 32 MB or RADEON 9000 series
Hard Drive space: 9.5 GB free hard disk space
Internet Connection: 56k or faster

I'm not saying you have to run out and buy a new computer, but i'm pretty sure what you have now will run it just fine with minimal side effects. If you play on PS2 and enjoy playing XI you will move to another platform. If not.....

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Crinan

Ok so i read this thread and i just don't understand why people are so insistent on saving the PS2. The whole thing about your computer slowing down or lagging or crashing is irrational. I grabbed my PC Vana'diel collection to look at the system requirements, and i'm trying to understand where this arguement comes in.

Operating System: Windows 2000/XP/VISTA
CPU: Pentium III 800Mhz or faster.
Memory: 128 MB RAM
Graphics Card: GeForce series with 32 MB or RADEON 9000 series
Hard Drive space: 9.5 GB free hard disk space
Internet Connection: 56k or faster

I'm not saying you have to run out and buy a new computer, but i'm pretty sure what you have now will run it just fine with minimal side effects. If you play on PS2 and enjoy playing XI you will move to another platform. If not.....

---

I played on my wife's laptop for a while when my PC broke. It only had onboard graphics, yet it was still fine to play all aspects of the game aside from besieged. I find that the internet connection that you're using hinders you far more than the machine in this day and age. I wish I lived in a fibre-optic area :(

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Crinan

Operating System: Windows 2000/XP/VISTA

---

I can't say for certain, because I haven't tried it again in a while, but you can install FFXI on Windows 98, at least you could before WotG (and I see no reason why you couldn't with WotG).

As long as you have 512MB of RAM and a basic graphics card, this game will run quite fast too, but I'd hope people have a hard drive with at least 40GB of space for future expansions.

Edit: Also, the connection speed of this game is capped at 56k for everyone last I checked. Better connections only help downloading updates and latency, although these advantages are pretty major.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cursed

This is the nature of all good modern games.
1- They're online
2 - they involve other people, (real people)
3 - they are constantly expanded upon and refreshed

---

While I agree with you sentiment, this grinds my shit. I wouldn't play any game other than XI that meets either of the criteria (maybe the last through DLC/patches, not changing the game like XI). This applies only to MMOGs, and MMOGs suck, I will never play one again. The vast majority of high quality games are static, single-player, offline games and it's good that they are.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zemarin

lawl I want a laptop for 100 bucks I'm still waiting to hear where someone has claimed they could get one. Cuz that's cheaper then what my cell phone cost me~, that's about the price of my cellphone's monthly plan >_>.

---

I just entered "cheap computers" in google. These are the first three hits:
http://www.geeks.com/products.asp?cat=SYS
http://www.electrocomputerwarehouse.com/
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...022-_-CatId_17

It starts at $41, most are in the ~$100 price range, laptops usually a bit higher. If you look for more than half a minute, you might find it even cheaper. And all of them run FFXI with full settings, and a lot better than the PS2 could ever dream to.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zemarin

Its not that cheap to buy a pc, and some ppl just dont like gaming on their pc, or already have a pc but just "can't" game on it~ Who knows~? but I'm pretty sure a PC player wouldn't know why someone plays on ps2.

---

I do, stop accusing everyone with groundless assumptions. I love playing on consoles and I always prefer them to the PC, if I get a chance. However, would I play Metal Gear Solid 3 on the NES? No, because it would be an entirely different game and couldn't live up to the expectations due to the limitations of the system.

It's kinda related to what Cursed said up there. The game is ever changing. And one console can only hold so much. PCs on the other hand, are always upgradeable. For this kind of game, the game that endured an entire decade, PC is simply the only logical platform to go with.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Arcon

The vast majority of high quality games are static, single-player, offline games and it's good that they are.

---

I agreed with every single thing you said except this. A lot of the biggest titles meet these criteria. Halo, COD, Bioshock... etc. are all insanely popular and depend almost entirely on:

1- They're online
2 - they involve other people, (real people)
3 - they are constantly expanded upon and refreshed

although, to be fair... they typically just add new maps with no actual content to accompany it. And honestly... I'm not sure I would play another MMORPG again either. Although, if they fully revamped and upgraded this one I might buy it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I agreed with every single thing you said except this. A lot of the biggest titles meet these criteria. Halo, COD, Bioshock... etc. are all insanely popular and depend almost entirely on:

1- They're online
2 - they involve other people, (real people)
3 - they are constantly expanded upon and refreshed

---

Not to derail this further, and maybe I was a bit quick to judge this, but I still believe this applies almost exclusively to MMORPGs or shooters. Not sure how Bioshock involves other people, or do you mean an online mode? I admit, I never played it (for shame!), but I didn't know it was famous for that, at least I've never heard of it. Going by numbers, you could also call sports games high quality, but I was more focusing on the actual quality than the number of sales. If you go by ratings instead of sales, for example, the ranking shifts to Half-Life, Portal, MGS series, etc. (and possibly Deus Ex 3, not played it yet... I have high hopes, better not disappoint me like you did in recent years, SE).

Anyway, just thought the opinion was a bit judgmental, but I guess it's about what people prefer. Anyway, back to PS2 bashing. lol80inv

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Arcon

(and possibly Deus Ex 3, not played it yet... I have high hopes, better not disappoint me like you did in recent years, SE).

---

I'd like to point out at this moment that SE had nothing to do with Deus Ex 3's development.

i play on the ps3, but i like my tv much more than my little lap top screen. and no, i dont really want wires running across my living room from my laptop to my tv. i have cats, and they like to chew on wires. evil beings.
that said, if they got rid of it and i was forced to play on my laptop, if i got a free copy for it, and someone to come show me how to make the damn ps3 controller WORK on my laptop, id happily do it! if i had to spend more hair pulling hours trying to get the controller to work myself, and had to break down and buy yet another copy of the game that i already have, id do it, though i would pout about it for oh... 5 minutes.

Ultimately all the arguing in the world won't change the fact that this whole issue is a JP one, the ps2 playerbase is so small it's a non-issue everywhere else. As I said earlier they lost more players from other decisions this year.

If the JP PS2 playerbase is still large then that will be the deciding factor, would be nice if anyone could read JP and could see what kind of topics are going on over on the jp forums.

-tinfoil hat-
Unless they are really trying to get all the ps2 players to upgrade to a ps3 by releasing a proper version of FFXI for it with an expansion, then hoping they are all in a position to buy FFXIV!
-tinfoil hat-

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Retiti

i play on the ps3, but i like my tv much more than my little lap top screen. and no, i dont really want wires running across my living room from my laptop to my tv. i have cats, and they like to chew on wires. evil beings.
that said, if they got rid of it and i was forced to play on my laptop, if i got a free copy for it, and someone to come show me how to make the damn ps3 controller WORK on my laptop, id happily do it! if i had to spend more hair pulling hours trying to get the controller to work myself, and had to break down and buy yet another copy of the game that i already have, id do it, though i would pout about it for oh... 5 minutes.

---

This is a sensible attitude going about FFXI being dropped from one of it's clients. Probably how most people's attitudes toward the matter are.

See here is the thing, While JP numbers will be high for PS2 I wonder a few things

#1 how many people are playing the PS2 version ON the PS3

#2 How many people have a newer non-Backwards compatible PS3 that COULD play the game on PS3 if a native PS3 version was available. Because they haven't made a Backwards compatible system for about what? 2-3 years?

cause you have to keep in mind, only the old school fatty PS2's support a HDD which you NEED to play FFXI and those were discontinued what, 7ish years ago?

basically yes, alot of JPs play on the PS2 but I really wonder how many already have access to a PS3

if they cancel support on ps2 should at least make version of game for PS3

Deux Ex 3 makes a run for Machina, and made me completely forgive/forget Invisible War (which I didn't even bother finishing)

It's got some different gameplay elements from Machina, but it's a great game and if you remember the story the new game would be set 30ish years prior to that.

And it's evident SE had nothing to do with the production of Deux Ex, it's an absolute great game.

Quote:

---

But seriously people, please do not confuse your own circumstances and your own privilege with "if you can't go buy a computer and purchase FFXI pc software right now than you have no business playing the game." This is pure ignorance. Nothing else. I can pay my bills. I can pay to play this game. I could, with time to save, purchase a PC to run the game. But the money for this extra expense must come from somewhere! I must divert money from some other place. Maybe not pay as much on a payment. Maybe not spend as much at the grocery store. A lot of maybes. You say "go buy a pc" as if everybody has extra money laying around. Not all of us do. We can handle our expenses but purchasing a new computer, even a cheap one, is an EXTRA

---

I think this very well sums up everything I have tried to say... And honestly I'm not gonna believe that CL (or watever back alley ad forum) is gonna provide a computer good enough to play FFXI with enough storage space, and quite frankly if someone don't have a pc; we can expect them to not have all the peripheral equipment accompanying them yet alone the chance of getting scammed on these sites are way higher than in an actual store.

Srsly bro I can use google too! but just like no one is gonna find ps2 parts in a store; there's not gonna be any store that sells a perfectly working pc/laptop for under $100. (if you have to buy more equipment that = more money btw). It may apply and be acceptable to you, if you would really buy that crap off them sites that's cool I guess, but I don't think that would fly by with every ps3 player looking to upgrade to something just for FFXI.

SE's gonna do what they gonna do whether I like it or not, and I will have to face that fact~ but I honestly feel That ps2 version users should be accomodated in "some" way! Just to slough em off and expect em to go rebuy crap that may or may not be at a reasonable price for some is quite arrogant~ that's like something Nexon would do, I would not expect that from SE.

but my real and intial problem is more so with ppl making these false claims that any and everyone can afford a "usable" laptop/pc for as low as X dollars which = 4 months of FFXI... and then there's some reason think that everyone just magically knows how to program their computer to run on a TV with a PS controller. Honestly I just feel most ppl who even commented about ps users are thinking from their own perspective absolutely neglecting the perspective of an average citizen.
It's just seems weird to me, for some to just assume everyone that plays this game is some nerd with the tech savvy of someone on a geek squad.
This problem may not be directly my problem per se~ but, is it wrong of me to acknowledge the fact that everyone don't have 300~ dollars to go buy an X-box 360 (I actually remember buying an Xbox for someone and cuz of their location they couldn't even play it for some reason)/laptop? and not everyone knows how to program their PC to work on the TV or even has a computer?

Does this justify not cutting off PS2? no it doesn't. But still I think they hold some merit esp. since SE seems reluctant to actually release it for ps3~

All I have done was really just pointing out whenever someone posts "You can just do.... *insert task here*" You ignore the fact that, such task may not be that easy for everybody. The ignorance shines when you proclaim someone can do something without knowing their situation to begin with.

It's like me assuming everyone on this board can do cartwheels and back bend, I'm pretty sure most can't, just like im pretty sure most financially tight ppl can't take out 300~600 bux to spend on some new equipment and the discs just for this game.

Now that I'm done with that: I just have two things to comment on.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

they typically just add new maps with no actual content to accompany it.

---

SE already does this with FFXI anyways... which I mentioned before~ Everything new is just a play on Dynamis and Beseiged, all the really interesting stuff got tossed out like yesterday's trash. I don't see real new content or areas adding anything better than a play on Besieged/Dyna/FoV, unless SE if finally ready to break free from their party play idea and make this game like most mmo's where one person can kill nearly everything alone. Even breaking from ps2 i don't see this game changing that much beyond cosmetically, Content only seems better cuz ppl can now actually lvl to 90 in 1 day (after getting high enough to get into abyssea), and now there's more ppl to do stuff with...Honestly the way this game has changed so much, I'm surprised SE hasn't opted to go the Free to play~ Cash shop module.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Skyver

I'm just going to go out on a limb and say two very honest truths:

1. Zemarin is a terrible, stubborn, low-IQ poster who is making the playerbase look bad;
2. If you are reading this, chances are you are using a machine that is capable of running the game. Seriously. My mom's crappy Compaq she got from Wal Mart in ~2005 can run the game like butter. It's time to switch, kiddies.

---

1) I'm not terrible, I can be stubborn maybe, but most of all I dunno how you got my IQ score?, I don't represent the playerbase.... um so I don't understand how I make the player base look bad especially since all I have done was stated how ignorant it is to tell ppl what they can or can not afford; or how easily they can accommodate losing their ability to use their system.
Then ppl go on to claim ps2 users are stuck in the past, when all I'm saying is in reality is that anyone who is even playing this game is stuck in the past. I'm sure someone who owns a ps2 copy of this game has put in an ample amount of time into this game and cares just as much about their character as any pc player. By this update nonsense logic if I go log into ever Quest right now I'm playing something brand spanking new, yeee okaaayyyy.
It has really little to do with ppl being stuck in the past it has more to do with SE offering a game on 3 systems I have one and they just decide one Magical day "Hey we don't want ppl to play on that system no more so either u go buy this or never see char again; kthxbye"
I pretty sure if they removed Xbox users from this game and made it PC only ppl would have beef as well, but the thing is Xbox users don't have to worry about that cuz SE was nice enough to actually port it on Xbox while ps3 users get to watch ps ver. DIE?.

Anyways I'm just stating my opinions on this if you don't agree with them I'm fine, insulting me won't change em, it just shows how ignorant ppl are that post in this thread.

I can very well understand why ppl don't like ps2 ver. it's not hard to get, but what seems challenging for ppl who don't play ps2 to understand why someone would use it, and why taking it away from them is kinda Jaded especially for a game that was initially developed for it.

Lots of ppl like to compare it to PSU but PSU's issue was WORLDS different from the issue on this game.
Besides this is the only game I know where PC,X-box, and PS players actually all play on the same exact servers. If they were kind enough to give PS3 its own then i'd have NO problem, but they didn't, and it kinda feels like they never will.

2) Also The name and date of ur computer really doesn't have much to do with the stuff inside of it... just throwing it out there. My mom's computer can handle games better then mine she got hers in 2003 i got mine in last quarter 09. She actually uses a graphics card, I have chip set. Then again my pc's made for business, not media such as hers~

Just sayin~

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ryanx

if they cancel support on ps2 should at least make version of game for PS3

---

That would defeat the purpose.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zemarin

wall of text

---

Trying to tell several thousand people that you want the game they love to stagnate and die because you can't be bothered to use a computer for anything other than complaining about not wanting to use a computer.

~just sayin

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Trying to tell several thousand people that you want the game they love to stagnate and die because you can't be bothered to use a computer for anything other than complaining about not wanting to use a computer.

~just sayin

---

Nope never said that, I never said I specifically can't use pc... I just said that it's not right. Maybe u should sober up n learn how to read..

just sayin~ it's always funny how a reader always thinks a situation just pertains, too bad most ppl who do play PS don't waste their life on this forum, while pc just talk sh!t about a game that they don't wanna die. Guess some ppl forget death is kinda inevitable.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zemarin

I can use a computer, I never said I specifically can't... I said that it's not right. Maybe u should learn how to read.. just sayin~

---

I think I understood you perfectly. Unless your trying to say it's not right but you think they should go ahead and drop PS2 anyways. And if you could read, you would realize that I didn't say you couldn't use a computer. I said that you think SE should have to support PS2 forever because you don't want to use a computer.

Actually if you wasn't too drunk to realize I'm not complaining at all anymore...see this is the definition of a complain:

Complain:
to express dissatisfaction, pain, uneasiness, censure, resentment, or grief; find fault.

And what I'm doing is stating: Yeah Freyn said this, what dude said is situational, Frank's stupid cause u think FFXI is doing something different/unique, and last fool really dunno wdf he talking about yet calling me stupid.

Does that sound like a complaint? or allegations. Cause I think I'm leaning towards the latter.
Again fool, sober up n learn ta read. kkggthxbb

Quote:

---

you can't be bothered to use a computer

---

Also the word can't is in there sugar pie, just to ,let u know I'm don't think I'm going outta MY mind.

Again I can do it, i really don't want to and SE never offered an alternative...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zemarin

Actually if you wasn't too drunk to realize I'm not complaining at all anymore...see this is the definition of a complain:

Complain:
to express dissatisfaction, pain, uneasiness, censure, resentment, or grief; find fault.

And what I'm doing is stating: Yeah Freyn said this, what dude said is situational, Frank's stupid cause u think FFXI is doing something different/unique, and last fool really dunno wdf he talking about yet calling me stupid.

Does that sound like a complaint? or allegations. Cause I think I'm leaning towards the latter.
Again fool, sober up n learn ta read. kkggthxbb



Also the word can't is in there sugar pie, just to ,let u know I'm don't think I'm going outta MY mind.

Again I can do it, i really don't want to and SE never offered an alternative...

---

Most of what you just wrote does't even make sense. What I actually said was:

"because you can't be bothered to use a computer for anything other than complaining about not wanting to use a computer."

Don't try to change the meaning of what I said by removing words from the quote.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zemarin

Guess some ppl forget death is kinda inevitable.

---

You mean like the death of the PS2?

interesting

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zemarin

SE's gonna do what they gonna do whether I like it or not, and I will have to face that fact~ but I honestly feel That ps2 version users should be accomodated in "some" way! Just to slough em off and expect em to go rebuy crap that may or may not be at a reasonable price for some is quite arrogant~ that's like something Nexon would do, I would not expect that from SE.

---

So because you are paying money, you're entitled to be serviced forever? Sorry but the world doesn't go round like that. The PS2 will not last forever. What are you going to do then? Demand to be accommodated because you bought it once upon a time? So do you go back to Sears to demand compensation because the pair of jeans you bought 20 years earlier are worn out and didn't last for a lifetime?

You're basically asking SE to stick with PS2 support until your system dies off i.e. Sony stops supporting it, forcing you to "naturally" move on from it, thereby holding the game back from what it could become. I will guarantee you most PS2 users have a computer that can run this game. The problem is giving them a swift kick in the butt to switch over. It would be unfortunate for them to have to deal with it but they are going to have to deal with it someday. Just like I did when my PS2 HDD died like the pos that it was. I say make them deal with it NOW instead of later.

SE has two choices. 1)do what they must to prolong the life of the game. 2)let it continue to it's slow death. In 5 years or so it's pretty much guaranteed to be on life support at the rate they're going. I just can't hold any sympathy for PS2 users who would rather deal with their inevitable PS2 death later than sooner. Your system will die off and we are wasting precious time waiting on it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tohihroyu

Too bad 99.9% of PC players RELY on windower & bots to play cause apparently vanilla ffxi is too hard QQ

Edit: And god forbid they can't play on a TEST server without it e_e

---

I don't think the primary issue about 3rd party Windower, or as I like to call it, "Window3r," is about botting. It's certainly an issue and a different story to talk about, though. Rather, It's either the players don't care to work with SE's macro system and prefer macro layouts and tools that work better for their performance, or they want to customize their own FFXI UI for their own personal purpose. For most PC players and endgamers, it's certainly not a requirement, but I imagine it's more or less encouraged to have these options if you want to experiment with it. I wouldn't go as far as to assume that 99.9% of PC players use Window3r (yes I realize you were just exaggerating). I play Vanilla FFXI on PC, and with all due respect to Window3r's programmers, I'm okay without it. Why?

1. As far as Damage-Dealing goes, for example, I topped out 1-2 times out of 5 runs as DRK during a Dynamis Lord run, according to a parser. Funny thing is, I wasn't concerned about doing top damage as much as I was concerned with killing Dynamis Lord fast and furiously. Anyway, The relevance here is the difference in macro systems, where SE's macros usually allow six lines per macro for gear swapping, but Window3r allows you to have as much work space as you need. The Vanilla FFXI player has to nail down proper timing during a full-scale gear swap, because even overlapping macros would make them forget to swap certain equipment in. It's easy to master once the timing is nailed down, though. However, For the ultra-core players who want total use of their equipment, I don't see a reason why they wouldn't go for an option that works for them to carry out all of their tasks. If it ain't broke, just tweak it to make it work better.

2. Avesta, a player considered by the community as a Demigod of Red Mage solo play, played on a PS2. Timing on casting spells were key for him, and that is exactly what is needed to play fluidly on a console or Vanilla PC. I know a few friends who used to or still play two characters at once with both PC and PS2, and they do just as well as a Window3r player. Even if the PC player had windower, they still had to work with their PS2 character at their side. That takes skill to pull off properly either way. It just goes to show anything's possible, no matter what platform you're on. You just need to know what you're working with.

I'm also just lazy to look into installing it and all the plug-ins that are included with it. I'm definitely not inclined to risk my account and 6 years of playtime to a security vulnerability the software developers might have missed somewhere during an upgrade. Not that there could be, as I'm aware the users have full confidence in the product, but I personally like to play safe. Plus, I would find having to update it after a version update of the game, because of a badly-installed plug-in, to be a pain in the rear.

That's just me.

Make a server and put all the PS2 users there, don't update it. It'll be like an island for lepers.

Give PC and 360 users shiny new areas, gear skins, spells, weapon skills, and job abilities. Shiny new storylines too.

Isn't is possible that the reason the game doesn't start with third party windowers is that SE would like the test environment of every tester to be identical? Same reason why everyone needs every expansion installed to be able to participate. To lower the amount of variables between testers as much as possible.

I don't blame them at all for this. It only seems sensible to me.

As for the use of windower and other third party tools, I don't care what other people do, as long as they don't have programs that perform automated actions based on data received from the game servers (that's a fancy way of saying "botting").

Maybe,their trying to see if it would be worth it to make a ps3 version of ffxi. If enough people useing the ps2 version are actually useing a ps3, maybe they might make a ps3 version and drop the ps2. I prefer not to use a pc to play it, I prefer to play on my ps3.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Spero

Maybe,their trying to see if it would be worth it to make a ps3 version of ffxi. If enough people useing the ps2 version are actually useing a ps3, maybe they might make a ps3 version and drop the ps2. I prefer not to use a pc to play it, I prefer to play on my ps3.

---

Maybe, I doubt they could make it worth the work unless they redid the game graphics etc. to make it sell though. Which they might be able to if they dropped PS2? That would be pretty cool. Somehow I just don't think it would be profitable though. I think they are just looking for ways to maintain current player base at a lower overhead.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Maybe, I doubt they could make it worth the work unless they redid the game graphics etc. to make it sell though. Which they might be able to if they dropped PS2? That would be pretty cool. Somehow I just don't think it would be profitable though. I think they are just looking for ways to maintain current player base at a lower overhead.

---

I think it would work to some extent if they just raise the resolution like they did with the Xbox 360 version. If anything, it would be a better port than the 360 version because it's more similar to the PS2 hardware, wouldn't it? I'm not sure how similar PS3 and PS2 are in terms of how easy it is to port stuff, but that's just a wild guess I'm throwing out there.

Yeah, I don't know either. I would think that remaking it for PS2 would be expensive. They would have to attract new customers to make it profitable. I don't know if new people would buy it for PS3 if it didn't have updated graphics and possibly a new expansion or something. That is what they did with 360 sorta. who knows though. maybe its a simple port.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zemarin

Ps2 is 10 yrs old? so is FFXI deal with it; if they wanna get rid of Ps2 they should just get rid of FFXI and make everyone go play 14~ I wonder why they haven't.

Seriously who walks out and buys a 10 yr old game?

Why should those who invested in PS2 version suffer. Maybe PCers should have thought about Ps2 possibly holding PC content back before they bought the game.

---

I invite you to go talk to all the Everquest players. I've had it with your stubbornness and hope SE drops PS2 support just to phase YOU out.

Btw: I WAS a Ps2 player until I saw the light. You know what I played this on after that? a $50 handmedown computer. (I have a better laptop now but not the point).

Well from what i herd on some ppl but i guess it depends on the internet you have too. The game does not lag the ps2 if ur internet support its. Its not totaly Square Enix's Fault either yes the game is there's but the hard ware IS NOT thats all sony and SONY srewed SE when they stright up droped the hard drive support plus they made so you couldnt use any other hard drive but there's period. Yes you can buy the HD load and use any Maxtor hard drive you want but i tryed my harddest and couldnt get this game to load on it so i keep my offical Sony hdd for my Final Fantasy games. If its the hard ware holding it back then blame Sony not SE

I actually have a *new* PS2 FFXI box w/ HDD and everything. I never opened it.

I never had the fat PS2, so it ended up being a retarded purchase on my end. I didn't know by then, and thought I could get a fat ps2 by the time it was still an okay purchase. However, I could never get the PS2... therefore, moot purchase. It's still sitting there, gathering dust. I should dust it off and take pictures. :C

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Make a server and put all the PS2 users there, don't update it. It'll be like an island for lepers.

Give PC and 360 users shiny new areas, gear skins, spells, weapon skills, and job abilities. Shiny new storylines too.

---

Like WOTG which took SE three years finish while they milked the player base for monthly fees?

Seriously, people put way too much faith on what SE would do even if they were able to get rid of the PS2. Since the last installment of Abyssea I haven't seen any indication that SE is serious about putting that much effort into this game. So little has been put into a stage where they're supposed to be balancing jobs and game play. You don't need to get rid of the PS2 to do that. Their effort has been lackluster, especially this update where it seems that the update schedule is being drawn out (LOL at the time being taken to give so little) as long as possible. The last major update is only worse because this time there's actually a level increase. It's hard to believe the same team who worked on Abyssea is the same ones at the helm now.

Just because SE drops PS2 doesn't mean it's going to be all sugar and rainbows for this game's future. You're deluded if you think it is.

I play on a lap top and dualbox a ps2 account if you think that makes any difference for my opinion (it really doesn't).

By the way - I had another thought about this survey.

A few years ago, there was a news article that said that SquareEnix was interested in creating a PS3 version of FFXI, but the Sony representative "quit".

Also - there were comments along the lines of "It was easy to port the 360 version from the PC version, but a PS3 version would have to be coded from scratch." In that post, it seemed like the development team's energy was being directed to FFXIV for PS3 and PCs, instead of trying to port FFXI to the PS3.

So - another thing this survey may be looking at might be interest in a native PS3 version of FFXI - perhaps due to the delay of the PS3 version of FFXIV.

e.g. If a significant number of folks check the PS3 box, then there would be some PS3 usage data that might justify putting some developer resources towards a port.

This may have been obvious to some folks - but I thought I'd point it out.

-kyo >^_^<

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kyohyi

By the way - I had another thought about this survey.

A few years ago, there was a news article that said that SquareEnix was interested in creating a PS3 version of FFXI, but the Sony representative "quit".

Also - there were comments along the lines of "It was easy to port the 360 version from the PC version, but a PS3 version would have to be coded from scratch." In that post, it seemed like the development team's energy was being directed to FFXIV for PS3 and PCs, instead of trying to port FFXI to the PS3.

So - another thing this survey may be looking at might be interest in a native PS3 version of FFXI - perhaps due to the delay of the PS3 version of FFXIV.

e.g. If a significant number of folks check the PS3 box, then there would be some PS3 usage data that might justify putting some developer resources towards a port.

This may have been obvious to some folks - but I thought I'd point it out.

-kyo >^_^<

---

They'll have to majorly recode it for the Vita port anyway. Vita uses OpenGL not DirectX and it's not a Windows platform either.

The reason the 360 version was easy is because it's basically a Windows box, albeit one using a PowerPC CPU and a modified version of DirectX more highly optimized for a specific GPU and with the error checking largely removed. Very few changes have to be made to your source code in order to port it to the 360. If SE does a Vita port that will not be the case at all. They will have to re write the game to run on a different OS and render 3D graphics using OpenGL instead of DirectX.

Well instead of talking about it make sure you check the survey on which game console you play ffxi if you forget (fail)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Modoru

I actually have a *new* PS2 FFXI box w/ HDD and everything. I never opened it.

I never had the fat PS2, so it ended up being a retarded purchase on my end. I didn't know by then, and thought I could get a fat ps2 by the time it was still an okay purchase. However, I could never get the PS2... therefore, moot purchase. It's still sitting there, gathering dust. I should dust it off and take pictures. :C

---

Sell it, before it becomes obsolete.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

They'll have to majorly recode it for the Vita port anyway. Vita uses OpenGL not DirectX and it's not a Windows platform either.

---

However - the Vita (apparently) has a standard multicore CPU/GPU architecture (ARM + PowerVR), unlike the PS3. OpenGL vs. DirectX notwithstanding, this doesn't appear to be as much of a developer lift - Square Enix has indicated as much anyway:

Quote:

---

Former Final Fantasy XI lead Hiromichi Tanaka mentioned the possibility of a PlayStation Vita port to Famitsu. Presently, plans are not concrete, but Square Enix is considering a basic port of their MMORPG for PlayStation Vita.

There are no plans for a PlayStation 3 port, however. Tanaka clarifies and says making use of the PS3′s hardware characteristics is difficult for a simple port.

---

(from Square Enix Looking Into Final Fantasy XI Port For PlayStation Vita, But Not PS3 )

-kyo >^_^<