Sooo SE actually wants to know the numbers of PS2 users eh?

[FrankReynolds]

Actually if you wasn't too drunk to realize I'm not complaining at all anymore...see this is the definition of a complain:

Complain:
to express dissatisfaction, pain, uneasiness, censure, resentment, or grief; find fault.

And what I'm doing is stating: Yeah Freyn said this, what dude said is situational, Frank's stupid cause u think FFXI is doing something different/unique, and last fool really dunno wdf he talking about yet calling me stupid.

Does that sound like a complaint? or allegations. Cause I think I'm leaning towards the latter.
Again fool, sober up n learn ta read. kkggthxbb



Also the word can't is in there sugar pie, just to ,let u know I'm don't think I'm going outta MY mind.

Again I can do it, i really don't want to and SE never offered an alternative...

Most of what you just wrote does't even make sense. What I actually said was:

"because you can't be bothered to use a computer for anything other than complaining about not wanting to use a computer."

Don't try to change the meaning of what I said by removing words from the quote.

[Eric]

Guess some ppl forget death is kinda inevitable.

You mean like the death of the PS2?

[Ancientelite]

interesting

[Vold]

SE's gonna do what they gonna do whether I like it or not, and I will have to face that fact~ but I honestly feel That ps2 version users should be accomodated in "some" way! Just to slough em off and expect em to go rebuy crap that may or may not be at a reasonable price for some is quite arrogant~ that's like something Nexon would do, I would not expect that from SE.

So because you are paying money, you're entitled to be serviced forever? Sorry but the world doesn't go round like that. The PS2 will not last forever. What are you going to do then? Demand to be accommodated because you bought it once upon a time? So do you go back to Sears to demand compensation because the pair of jeans you bought 20 years earlier are worn out and didn't last for a lifetime?

You're basically asking SE to stick with PS2 support until your system dies off i.e. Sony stops supporting it, forcing you to "naturally" move on from it, thereby holding the game back from what it could become. I will guarantee you most PS2 users have a computer that can run this game. The problem is giving them a swift kick in the butt to switch over. It would be unfortunate for them to have to deal with it but they are going to have to deal with it someday. Just like I did when my PS2 HDD died like the pos that it was. I say make them deal with it NOW instead of later.

SE has two choices. 1)do what they must to prolong the life of the game. 2)let it continue to it's slow death. In 5 years or so it's pretty much guaranteed to be on life support at the rate they're going. I just can't hold any sympathy for PS2 users who would rather deal with their inevitable PS2 death later than sooner. Your system will die off and we are wasting precious time waiting on it.

[Quetzacoatl]

Too bad 99.9% of PC players RELY on windower & bots to play cause apparently vanilla ffxi is too hard QQ

Edit: And god forbid they can't play on a TEST server without it e_e

I don't think the primary issue about 3rd party Windower, or as I like to call it, "Window3r," is about botting. It's certainly an issue and a different story to talk about, though. Rather, It's either the players don't care to work with SE's macro system and prefer macro layouts and tools that work better for their performance, or they want to customize their own FFXI UI for their own personal purpose. For most PC players and endgamers, it's certainly not a requirement, but I imagine it's more or less encouraged to have these options if you want to experiment with it. I wouldn't go as far as to assume that 99.9% of PC players use Window3r (yes I realize you were just exaggerating). I play Vanilla FFXI on PC, and with all due respect to Window3r's programmers, I'm okay without it. Why?

1. As far as Damage-Dealing goes, for example, I topped out 1-2 times out of 5 runs as DRK during a Dynamis Lord run, according to a parser. Funny thing is, I wasn't concerned about doing top damage as much as I was concerned with killing Dynamis Lord fast and furiously. Anyway, The relevance here is the difference in macro systems, where SE's macros usually allow six lines per macro for gear swapping, but Window3r allows you to have as much work space as you need. The Vanilla FFXI player has to nail down proper timing during a full-scale gear swap, because even overlapping macros would make them forget to swap certain equipment in. It's easy to master once the timing is nailed down, though. However, For the ultra-core players who want total use of their equipment, I don't see a reason why they wouldn't go for an option that works for them to carry out all of their tasks. If it ain't broke, just tweak it to make it work better.

2. Avesta, a player considered by the community as a Demigod of Red Mage solo play, played on a PS2. Timing on casting spells were key for him, and that is exactly what is needed to play fluidly on a console or Vanilla PC. I know a few friends who used to or still play two characters at once with both PC and PS2, and they do just as well as a Window3r player. Even if the PC player had windower, they still had to work with their PS2 character at their side. That takes skill to pull off properly either way. It just goes to show anything's possible, no matter what platform you're on. You just need to know what you're working with.

I'm also just lazy to look into installing it and all the plug-ins that are included with it. I'm definitely not inclined to risk my account and 6 years of playtime to a security vulnerability the software developers might have missed somewhere during an upgrade. Not that there could be, as I'm aware the users have full confidence in the product, but I personally like to play safe. Plus, I would find having to update it after a version update of the game, because of a badly-installed plug-in, to be a pain in the rear.

That's just me.

[Leonlionheart]

Make a server and put all the PS2 users there, don't update it. It'll be like an island for lepers.

Give PC and 360 users shiny new areas, gear skins, spells, weapon skills, and job abilities. Shiny new storylines too.

[Mirage]

Isn't is possible that the reason the game doesn't start with third party windowers is that SE would like the test environment of every tester to be identical? Same reason why everyone needs every expansion installed to be able to participate. To lower the amount of variables between testers as much as possible.

I don't blame them at all for this. It only seems sensible to me.

As for the use of windower and other third party tools, I don't care what other people do, as long as they don't have programs that perform automated actions based on data received from the game servers (that's a fancy way of saying "botting").

[Spero]

Maybe,their trying to see if it would be worth it to make a ps3 version of ffxi. If enough people useing the ps2 version are actually useing a ps3, maybe they might make a ps3 version and drop the ps2. I prefer not to use a pc to play it, I prefer to play on my ps3.

[FrankReynolds]

Maybe,their trying to see if it would be worth it to make a ps3 version of ffxi. If enough people useing the ps2 version are actually useing a ps3, maybe they might make a ps3 version and drop the ps2. I prefer not to use a pc to play it, I prefer to play on my ps3.

Maybe, I doubt they could make it worth the work unless they redid the game graphics etc. to make it sell though. Which they might be able to if they dropped PS2? That would be pretty cool. Somehow I just don't think it would be profitable though. I think they are just looking for ways to maintain current player base at a lower overhead.

[Eric]

Maybe, I doubt they could make it worth the work unless they redid the game graphics etc. to make it sell though. Which they might be able to if they dropped PS2? That would be pretty cool. Somehow I just don't think it would be profitable though. I think they are just looking for ways to maintain current player base at a lower overhead.

I think it would work to some extent if they just raise the resolution like they did with the Xbox 360 version. If anything, it would be a better port than the 360 version because it's more similar to the PS2 hardware, wouldn't it? I'm not sure how similar PS3 and PS2 are in terms of how easy it is to port stuff, but that's just a wild guess I'm throwing out there.