Sooo SE actually wants to know the numbers of PS2 users eh?

[Leonlionheart]

i play on the ps3, but i like my tv much more than my little lap top screen. and no, i dont really want wires running across my living room from my laptop to my tv. i have cats, and they like to chew on wires. evil beings.
that said, if they got rid of it and i was forced to play on my laptop, if i got a free copy for it, and someone to come show me how to make the damn ps3 controller WORK on my laptop, id happily do it! if i had to spend more hair pulling hours trying to get the controller to work myself, and had to break down and buy yet another copy of the game that i already have, id do it, though i would pout about it for oh... 5 minutes.

This is a sensible attitude going about FFXI being dropped from one of it's clients. Probably how most people's attitudes toward the matter are.

[The_GiB]

See here is the thing, While JP numbers will be high for PS2 I wonder a few things

#1 how many people are playing the PS2 version ON the PS3

#2 How many people have a newer non-Backwards compatible PS3 that COULD play the game on PS3 if a native PS3 version was available. Because they haven't made a Backwards compatible system for about what? 2-3 years?

cause you have to keep in mind, only the old school fatty PS2's support a HDD which you NEED to play FFXI and those were discontinued what, 7ish years ago?

basically yes, alot of JPs play on the PS2 but I really wonder how many already have access to a PS3

[Ryanx]

if they cancel support on ps2 should at least make version of game for PS3

[Rearden]

Deux Ex 3 makes a run for Machina, and made me completely forgive/forget Invisible War (which I didn't even bother finishing)

It's got some different gameplay elements from Machina, but it's a great game and if you remember the story the new game would be set 30ish years prior to that.

And it's evident SE had nothing to do with the production of Deux Ex, it's an absolute great game.

[Zemarin]

But seriously people, please do not confuse your own circumstances and your own privilege with "if you can't go buy a computer and purchase FFXI pc software right now than you have no business playing the game." This is pure ignorance. Nothing else. I can pay my bills. I can pay to play this game. I could, with time to save, purchase a PC to run the game. But the money for this extra expense must come from somewhere! I must divert money from some other place. Maybe not pay as much on a payment. Maybe not spend as much at the grocery store. A lot of maybes. You say "go buy a pc" as if everybody has extra money laying around. Not all of us do. We can handle our expenses but purchasing a new computer, even a cheap one, is an EXTRA

I think this very well sums up everything I have tried to say... And honestly I'm not gonna believe that CL (or watever back alley ad forum) is gonna provide a computer good enough to play FFXI with enough storage space, and quite frankly if someone don't have a pc; we can expect them to not have all the peripheral equipment accompanying them yet alone the chance of getting scammed on these sites are way higher than in an actual store.

Srsly bro I can use google too! but just like no one is gonna find ps2 parts in a store; there's not gonna be any store that sells a perfectly working pc/laptop for under $100. (if you have to buy more equipment that = more money btw). It may apply and be acceptable to you, if you would really buy that crap off them sites that's cool I guess, but I don't think that would fly by with every ps3 player looking to upgrade to something just for FFXI.

SE's gonna do what they gonna do whether I like it or not, and I will have to face that fact~ but I honestly feel That ps2 version users should be accomodated in "some" way! Just to slough em off and expect em to go rebuy crap that may or may not be at a reasonable price for some is quite arrogant~ that's like something Nexon would do, I would not expect that from SE.

but my real and intial problem is more so with ppl making these false claims that any and everyone can afford a "usable" laptop/pc for as low as X dollars which = 4 months of FFXI... and then there's some reason think that everyone just magically knows how to program their computer to run on a TV with a PS controller. Honestly I just feel most ppl who even commented about ps users are thinking from their own perspective absolutely neglecting the perspective of an average citizen.
It's just seems weird to me, for some to just assume everyone that plays this game is some nerd with the tech savvy of someone on a geek squad.
This problem may not be directly my problem per se~ but, is it wrong of me to acknowledge the fact that everyone don't have 300~ dollars to go buy an X-box 360 (I actually remember buying an Xbox for someone and cuz of their location they couldn't even play it for some reason)/laptop? and not everyone knows how to program their PC to work on the TV or even has a computer?

Does this justify not cutting off PS2? no it doesn't. But still I think they hold some merit esp. since SE seems reluctant to actually release it for ps3~

All I have done was really just pointing out whenever someone posts "You can just do.... *insert task here*" You ignore the fact that, such task may not be that easy for everybody. The ignorance shines when you proclaim someone can do something without knowing their situation to begin with.

It's like me assuming everyone on this board can do cartwheels and back bend, I'm pretty sure most can't, just like im pretty sure most financially tight ppl can't take out 300~600 bux to spend on some new equipment and the discs just for this game.

Now that I'm done with that: I just have two things to comment on.

they typically just add new maps with no actual content to accompany it.

SE already does this with FFXI anyways... which I mentioned before~ Everything new is just a play on Dynamis and Beseiged, all the really interesting stuff got tossed out like yesterday's trash. I don't see real new content or areas adding anything better than a play on Besieged/Dyna/FoV, unless SE if finally ready to break free from their party play idea and make this game like most mmo's where one person can kill nearly everything alone. Even breaking from ps2 i don't see this game changing that much beyond cosmetically, Content only seems better cuz ppl can now actually lvl to 90 in 1 day (after getting high enough to get into abyssea), and now there's more ppl to do stuff with...Honestly the way this game has changed so much, I'm surprised SE hasn't opted to go the Free to play~ Cash shop module.

I'm just going to go out on a limb and say two very honest truths:

1. Zemarin is a terrible, stubborn, low-IQ poster who is making the playerbase look bad;
2. If you are reading this, chances are you are using a machine that is capable of running the game. Seriously. My mom's crappy Compaq she got from Wal Mart in ~2005 can run the game like butter. It's time to switch, kiddies.

1) I'm not terrible, I can be stubborn maybe, but most of all I dunno how you got my IQ score?, I don't represent the playerbase.... um so I don't understand how I make the player base look bad especially since all I have done was stated how ignorant it is to tell ppl what they can or can not afford; or how easily they can accommodate losing their ability to use their system.
Then ppl go on to claim ps2 users are stuck in the past, when all I'm saying is in reality is that anyone who is even playing this game is stuck in the past. I'm sure someone who owns a ps2 copy of this game has put in an ample amount of time into this game and cares just as much about their character as any pc player. By this update nonsense logic if I go log into ever Quest right now I'm playing something brand spanking new, yeee okaaayyyy.
It has really little to do with ppl being stuck in the past it has more to do with SE offering a game on 3 systems I have one and they just decide one Magical day "Hey we don't want ppl to play on that system no more so either u go buy this or never see char again; kthxbye"
I pretty sure if they removed Xbox users from this game and made it PC only ppl would have beef as well, but the thing is Xbox users don't have to worry about that cuz SE was nice enough to actually port it on Xbox while ps3 users get to watch ps ver. DIE?.

Anyways I'm just stating my opinions on this if you don't agree with them I'm fine, insulting me won't change em, it just shows how ignorant ppl are that post in this thread.

I can very well understand why ppl don't like ps2 ver. it's not hard to get, but what seems challenging for ppl who don't play ps2 to understand why someone would use it, and why taking it away from them is kinda Jaded especially for a game that was initially developed for it.

Lots of ppl like to compare it to PSU but PSU's issue was WORLDS different from the issue on this game.
Besides this is the only game I know where PC,X-box, and PS players actually all play on the same exact servers. If they were kind enough to give PS3 its own then i'd have NO problem, but they didn't, and it kinda feels like they never will.

2) Also The name and date of ur computer really doesn't have much to do with the stuff inside of it... just throwing it out there. My mom's computer can handle games better then mine she got hers in 2003 i got mine in last quarter 09. She actually uses a graphics card, I have chip set. Then again my pc's made for business, not media such as hers~

Just sayin~

[FrankReynolds]

if they cancel support on ps2 should at least make version of game for PS3

That would defeat the purpose.

[FrankReynolds]

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Trying to tell several thousand people that you want the game they love to stagnate and die because you can't be bothered to use a computer for anything other than complaining about not wanting to use a computer.

~just sayin

[Zemarin]

Trying to tell several thousand people that you want the game they love to stagnate and die because you can't be bothered to use a computer for anything other than complaining about not wanting to use a computer.

~just sayin

Nope never said that, I never said I specifically can't use pc... I just said that it's not right. Maybe u should sober up n learn how to read..

just sayin~ it's always funny how a reader always thinks a situation just pertains, too bad most ppl who do play PS don't waste their life on this forum, while pc just talk sh!t about a game that they don't wanna die. Guess some ppl forget death is kinda inevitable.

[FrankReynolds]

I can use a computer, I never said I specifically can't... I said that it's not right. Maybe u should learn how to read.. just sayin~

I think I understood you perfectly. Unless your trying to say it's not right but you think they should go ahead and drop PS2 anyways. And if you could read, you would realize that I didn't say you couldn't use a computer. I said that you think SE should have to support PS2 forever because you don't want to use a computer.

[Zemarin]

Actually if you wasn't too drunk to realize I'm not complaining at all anymore...see this is the definition of a complain:

Complain:
to express dissatisfaction, pain, uneasiness, censure, resentment, or grief; find fault.

And what I'm doing is stating: Yeah Freyn said this, what dude said is situational, Frank's stupid cause u think FFXI is doing something different/unique, and last fool really dunno wdf he talking about yet calling me stupid.

Does that sound like a complaint? or allegations. Cause I think I'm leaning towards the latter.
Again fool, sober up n learn ta read. kkggthxbb

you can't be bothered to use a computer

Also the word can't is in there sugar pie, just to ,let u know I'm don't think I'm going outta MY mind.

Again I can do it, i really don't want to and SE never offered an alternative...