Griffinclaw Uriel Blade and Plds

Camate, is it possible for the devs to consider a job trait/ability for paladins so that when they cast cure on another party member some of that PC's enmity is transferred to the paladin based on the amount cured?

I think this is a really good idea. I already heal other party members sometimes and if you aren't going to give all jobs hate reduction tools might as well give tanks (plds/runs/nin) the ability to reduce the total enmity that other party members have while adding it to the tanks own total value. Though if they do this can they please provide plds and nins the ability through gear to reach the fast cast cap.

Edit: Just read Camate's post and I have to say wow. I am very excited to see how these adjustments translate. Thank you.

Giving THF a way to shed enmity... after all these years... all the suggestions I have personally made, as well as others... I'm happy to see they're considering this.

If i may be as bold... Theres a few ways you can do this...

"Innocent" -Shed (25/50%) of your enmity.

"Accuse" - Plants 25% of your enmity on target player.
"Frame" - Plants 50% of your enmity on target player.

These kinds of abilities would be nice for THFs role in enmity control... or if you're thinking something like "Hide" Shedding enmity... I'm okay with that so long as it sheds enmity regardless of being spotted or not.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hello, everyone!

[*]Rune fencer
While we do not have any plans at the moment to make adjustments to rune fencer’s abilities in the same way we will for paladin, we would like to look into adjustments based on feedback after the August version update.
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Camate, I love Rune Fencer, it's my current favorite job. That said, I am rather disappointed to see no current plans to deal with Rune Fencer's enmity issues. On my server, very few ls's even give Run the time of day, because mainly of their inability to maintain enmity. I often get passed over as a potential tank, even on NM's that use a lot of magic damage, which Run was made for.

I understand that your gonna wait and see what happens to Pld with the august adjustments, and I understand there's a lot of things the dev's need to take into consideration with enmity in general and Run in particular. But I would like to pass on my opinion that Run needs a innate enmity tool, like Provoke. In fact, I don't see the issue with giving a provoke-like ability for all the tank jobs, I.E. Pld, Nin, Run. If subbing those jobs is an issue, perhaps make it an over level 50 ability, or make it unable to be used as a sub, like Whm's Aflatus abilities or Nin's Yonin. If there is such an issue with giving us abilities like this, I would appreciate a reason why. Thank you for your consideration.

Will the SCH enmity spells ever get adjusted? :(

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Originally Posted by Camate

[*]Ninja
As mentioned previously, we will be making adjustments to dual wield in the future. We feel that these adjustments will allow ninjas to use weapon skills more frequently which will allow them to generate enmity more easily.

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I think you guys are ignoring the glaring issue which is that the only things that people use a tank for are things that cannot be blink tanked. Even if ninja somehow became the king of emnity, you would just die as soon as anything that required a tank turned it's attention to you.Either that, or start spamming utsusemi and lose all damage output and emnity generation in the process. Ninja needs to have some form of magic / aoe / physical defense besides shadows. Otherwise it's just a crappy DD with a couple extra shadows. In other words only good for soloing old content.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

We do not have any plans at the moment to unlock Uriel Blade for use outside of Campaign.

Speaking of this, while I understand why the devs wouldn't want to deal with adding those WS outside campaign is there a chance to be able to unlock them for use in Campaign with other weapons? I'm thinking something like 3 ammo items that had the latent to unlock each of the WS while in Campaign.

And as always, even better if there was a quest line to unlock them.

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Originally Posted by Sekhmet

Camate, I love Rune Fencer, it's my current favorite job. That said, I am rather disappointed to see no current plans to deal with Rune Fencer's enmity issues. On my server, very few ls's even give Run the time of day, because mainly of their inability to maintain enmity. I often get passed over as a potential tank, even on NM's that use a lot of magic damage, which Run was made for.

I understand that your gonna wait and see what happens to Pld with the august adjustments, and I understand there's a lot of things the dev's need to take into consideration with enmity in general and Run in particular. But I would like to pass on my opinion that Run needs a innate enmity tool, like Provoke. In fact, I don't see the issue with giving a provoke-like ability for all the tank jobs, I.E. Pld, Nin, Run. If subbing those jobs is an issue, perhaps make it an over level 50 ability, or make it unable to be used as a sub, like Whm's Aflatus abilities or Nin's Yonin. If there is such an issue with giving us abilities like this, I would appreciate a reason why. Thank you for your consideration.

The reason for not giving RUN any additional Enmity actions, would most likely be because they don't need anymore. They've already got the single most ridiculous enmity arsenal in the game. And can sub a variety of actions from other jobs.

But since I've been over this before, I'm gonna quote/link a previous post. The post is mostly on topic for this thread as well.

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Originally Posted by Martel

While I agree that DMG dealt should still generate CE....

RUN's problem is that it has the physical durability of a wet paper sack. Not that it can't generate enough enmity.

In terms of enmity generation, RUN is definitively superior to PLD. RUN has a ridiculous array of enmity tools. Tons of JA, all with notable CE values. And two very good native enmity spells, flash and foil. And foil, being self targeted, generates enmity for every mob on the hate list.

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Action CE VE Elemental Sforzo 1800 7200 Vallation 450 900 Valliance 450 900 Embolden 160 320 Swordplay 160 320 Pflug 450 900 Gambit 640 1280 Liement 450 900 One For All 160 320 Batutta 450 900 Rayke 640 1260 Runes 40 160 Foil 320 880 Flash 180 1280

A RUN/PLD using sentinel could Cap CE(10k) in 10 seconds. Mind you, That'd take perfect timing with JA use. So lets say 15~20 for a more realistic value.

Of course, doing this requires RUN's SP, and a rather non standard sub. But even without /PLD, you could still hit 5K~ CE in the same time frame. And that's before accounting for enmity gear.

Furthermore, they have massive native fast cast letting them spam their enmity spells far faster than a PLD.

Wanna see PLD's enmity tool list?

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Action CE VE Invincible 1 7200 Holy circle 1 20 Shield Bash 1 900 Sentinel 1 1800 Cover 1 300 Rampart 1 300 Fealty 1 300 Chivalry 1 300 Divine Emblem 1 300 Palisade 0 1800 Flash 180 1280 Enlight 20 180 Reprisal 0 640

Enmity generation-wise PLD's only advantages are greater access to enmity+ gear, and sentinel(which is sub-able anyway.)

Although PLD does has a great advantage in not Losing as much CE. Both via taking less damage, and having enmity+ on already good PDT gear. Which is good, 'cause PLD has a hell of a lot harder timer building CE in the first place. A PLD that wants to build good CE, has to sub /BLU or /DRK for additional CE actions.

Also, using /war for enmity purposes would be really silly. Provoke is really not that good an enmity tool. And cures, while useful for survival purposes, generate truly terrible enmity these days. And RUN isn't going to lose and fast cast from changing subs. They can easily cap fast cast. +60% fast cast during vallation or valiance(which can be full timed via alternating) with 5/5 inspiration merits and Relic aug.

What RUN needs to be equal to PLD, is the ability to survive heavy physical damage. They've got the enmity thing covered even if they didn't melee at all.

This post was from before Crusade was added, so RUN is doing even better now. Although they do still have a painful lack of ilvl enmity+ gear. Still has higher enmity generation than PLD though.

If RUN has an enmity issue, it's the same one all tanks have. The enmity cap.

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Originally Posted by Tennotsukai

Please give blue mage an enmity down spell. Currently, we dominate hate gain through our spells. It would be nice if we could remove our hate somehow or dump it on someone else. You could always give hydro shot a boost, but I prefer a new spell.

I think a modified version of Pile Pitch as a UL spell would be perfect. Enmity Down 50% or ~90% every 5 mins seems reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Martel

The reason for not giving RUN any additional Enmity actions, would most likely be because they don't need anymore. They've already got the single most ridiculous enmity arsenal in the game. And can sub a variety of actions from other jobs.

lots of stats, etc.

If RUN has an enmity issue, it's the same one all tanks have. The enmity cap.

ok, well maybe I'm a bit slow on the uptake, but can you explain to me why even with these enmity tools, which I do use btw, a single mnk using 1 WS rips hate off of a Run, and the Run can't get it back? That have to do with the enmity cap as well? or are the mnks generating VE so fast that it overwelms the 1:30 minute, 3 minute and 5 minute timers of these enmity generating abilities?