Not responding to everything, because you still don't understand my position on the matter. I said it's not the game's fault that you feel you need 500 gear swaps. I never said it's not the fault of the engine's limitations that you can't have those 500 gear swaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
Also, I don't feel my opinion is more valid than yours. I feel you're pissing into the wind though since there is no way you are ever going to have more than 80 inventory spaces to carry around gear. This argument is akin to walking into a grocery store and demanding that they carry lingerie simply because they have some seasonal jackets for sale. It's not going to happen, no matter how much you complain. SE has said 80 is the limit due to hardware. Insisting that people need more is not going to do anything. Meanwhile, I'm trying to explain ways to work-around the problem and you are just stomping your feet saying that you should have more space when it's not even an option.
The game will NEVER let you, so get that out of your head. That is what I'm saying. You can keep making rants on this thread about how the game SHOULD let you, but the problem is that the hardware behind the game CANNOT let you, and no amount of ranting is going to change that. So, you can either keep managing like the rest of us and get on with your life, or you can keep managing as you are now and keep complaining about something that cannot happen. Seems a bit futile to me, but it's your time. Sarick doesn't know the hardware that SE is working with. Sarick doesn't know anymore about the inventory problem than we do. While his suggestions might help, only SE knows it that could actually work or not, and so far, I haven't seen them agree with him. Anyone else parroting his response as if it's 100% doable without the knowledge of how things are coded in XI just looks like a whiner.Quote:
Then how are we playing right now? Or do you think we're all on a strike and sitting in Port Jeuno crowding up Horst with angry shouts directed at SE that we can't play anymore? Newsflash: we do manage. But we'd manage better if the game would let us. Now you don't seem to understand for what we're asking. We're not asking SE to increase the inventory limit, because we already know that that's the physical limit. We're suggesting different ways to bypass this, different systems to work around that shortcoming. This is the part you seem to be confusing with whining. Sarick, for example, has posted his idea on a new system that would completely bypass the 80 limit imposed by the PS2. So what, are you saying we shouldn't even bother, because it is how it is and we should just be fine with it? Then what exactly are these forums for, if not for feedback and suggestions?
I didn't skip over it. When you said you had listed them, I thought you might have actually listed a bit of gear with them, not just, "Healing set, DD set, HP set, haste set," etc. There are also pieces that overlap between sets, so it's not as if you're changing every single piece of equipment between every set.Quote:
No, I don't care enough to go through all my gear in my different storage locations and on my mule just to convince any random stranger as to why he needs to get his facts straight. And it's funny you're saying you didn't see that post when you even quoted it. Here it is again, the relevant parts bolded, so you don't skip over it again
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03-03-2012, 06:15 AMShipp
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03-03-2012, 06:20 AMShippDon't get your panties in a knot just since you assumed I was against more inventory/storage and attacked a position I never held to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankReynolds
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03-03-2012, 07:35 AMArconThat's not news to anyone. I told you I know it's the hardware limit. But hardware limites can be avoided and bypassed by smart implementation. That's how SE managed to give us 400 places of active storage, despite the PS2 only being able to ~170 at a time (176 I believe was the number, not sure). We're not whining about something impossible. We're suggesting something very possible from our current understanding. And yes, none of us know that it's possible because we don't know the implementation exactly. But we can give educated guesses. And I can say with reasonable certainty that certain measures could be taken. Sarick's suggestion, for example, would work to some extent and provide different options for situational storage. Another suggestion that was brought before was to let us equip gear straight from sack and satchel, thus tripling our equippable inventory. That would also work, if SE wanted to implement it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipp
And yes, we don't know if they want/will, but again, that's what this forum is for. We wanted higher inventory, they said PS2 limitations prevent them from increasing it and they'll look for other ways to alleviate storage issues. So we moved on and stopped asking for higher inventory. Now we're asking for smarter inventory, and if they happen to come in and give us a valid reason for why it won't happen, we'll think of other ways it could work and we'll suggest those. And there's nothing at all wrong with it. You're calling it whining, but it's just feedback, nothing else.
I've marked situational pieces with an x instead of a number, all others are numbered in order of appearance. There are multiple entries, which haven't been counted twice though (unless I made a mistake somewhere). This list was compiled manually and it's possible I missed some items. I also left out a few more sets (like HP, MP and resting set), but it should give you an initial idea of where the issues come from. Many of these gear sets are out dated and there are new items that could fit in now where previously were none. Yes, I was that bored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipp
Haste:
1. Zelus Tiara
2. Creed Gauntlets +2
3. Velocious Belt
4. Creed Cuisses +2
5. Creed Sabatons +2
PDT:
(x. Eisen Grip)
6. Angha Gem
7. Valhalla Helm
8. Wiglen Gorget
9. Colossuss's Earring
10. Ethereal Earring
11. Grim Cuirass
12. Melaco Mittens
13. Patronus Ring
14. Jelly Ring
15. Shadow Mantle
16. Nierenschutz
4. Creed Cuisses +2
17. Jingang Greaves
MDT (Shell down):
18. Verthandi's Gem
19. Valhalla Helm
20. Twilight Torque
21. Merman's Earring
10. Ethereal Earring
22. Avalon Breastplate
23. Iron Ram Dastanas
24. Merman's Ring
25. Merman's Ring
26. Lamia Mantle +1
15. Nierenschutz
27. Inmicus Cuisses
28. Askar Gambieras
MDT (Shell up):
17. Verthandi's Gem
18. Valhalla Helm
19. Twilight Torque
20. Merman's Earring
21. Ethereal Earring
22. Avalon Breastplate
23. Iron Ram Dastanas
29. Shadow Ring
25. Merman's Ring
26. Lamia Mantle +1
15. Nierenschutz
30. Iron Ram Hose
31. Iron Ram Sollerets
Melee:
1. Zelus Tiara
32. Fortitude Torque
33. Suppanomimi
34. Brutal Earring
35. Creed Cuirass +2
2. Creed Gauntlets +2
36. Keen Ring
37. Rajas Ring
38. Atheling Mantle
3. Velocious Belt
4. Creed Cuisses +2
5. Creed Sabatons +2
Attack:
39. Twilight Helm
32. Fortitude Torque
40. Aesir Ear Pendant
41. Grim Cuirass
42. Creed Gauntlets +2
36. Keen Ring
38. Atheling Mantle
43. Anguinus Belt
44. Hecatomb Subligar
45. Dilaram's Sollerets
DEX:
39. Twilight Helm
46. Love Torque
47. Twilight Mail
48. Hecatomb Mittens
49. Thundersoul Ring
37. Rajas Ring
44. Hecatomb Subligar
50. Rutter Sabatons
VIT:
51. Bibiki Seashell
52. Hero's Galea
32. Fortitude Torque
53. Koenig Cuirass
54. Koenig Handschuhs
55. Spiral Ring
56. Terrasoul Ring
57. Valor Cape
58. Warwolf Belt
59. Koenig Diechlings
60. Koenig Schuhs
Fast Cast:
(x. Vivid Strap)
61. Incantor Stone
62. Creed Armet +2
63. Loquacious Earring
64. Homam Cosciales
Regen:
39. Twilight Helm
8. Wiglen Gorget
65. Sheltered Ring
66. Paguroidea Ring
Refresh:
67. Creed Collar
47. Twilight Mail
Enhancing:
(x. Fulcio Grip)
68. Colossus's Torque
69. Augmenting Earring
70. Merciful Cape
71. Olympus Sash
72. Gallant Breeches +1
Enmity:
52. Hero's Galea
73. Invidia Torque
35. Creed Cuirass +2
74. Valor Gauntlets +1
75. Hercules' Ring
76. Odium Ring
57. Valor Cape
77. Creed Baudrier
30. Iron Ram Hose
78. Dornen Schuhs
Shield:
62. Creed Armet +2
79. Shield Torque
80. Creed Earring
2. Creed Gauntlets +2
81. Boxer's Mantle
82. Gallant Leggings +1
Cure:
(x. Apollo's Staff)
39. Twilight Helm
83. Hospitaler Earring
47. Twilight Mail
(x. Cascade Belt)
84. Valor Leggings +1
Rampart:
85. Valor Coronet +1
Sentinel:
84. Valor Leggings +1
Cover:
86. Gallant Coronet +1
87. Valor Surcoat
Shield Bash:
88. Knightly Earring
74. Valor Gauntlets +1
89. Fenian Ring
Movement:
90. Blood Cuisses
RR-Set:
39. Twilight Helm
47. Twilight Mail
Convert DMG to MP:
10. Ethereal Earring
62. Creed Armet +2
Magic Attack:
39. Twilight Helm
91. Hecate's Earring
92. Novio Earring
47. Twilight Mail
Dark Magic WS:
93. Shadow Gorget
94. Shadow Belt
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x. Stone Gorget
x. Earthcry Earring
x. Stone Mufflers
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03-03-2012, 09:54 AMSarickThe whole concept of it not being in their best interest involves them losing a lot of monthly mule subscriptions. This was already made clear by other posters on this topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
I'm not mixing things up, you've totally forgotten previous post I'm made. Go back and re-read everything. You seem to bring up things that have already been discussed as though no discussion was done. I keep explaining bit wise was the way slips may store data. If you look up one or two back post you'd see something like.
"Let's consider If each item on the list used 8 bytes of data to store it even an old 64kb computer could manage hundreds of items in list forum."
When I made this comment I was grossly over exaggerating the bytes per item. I know that it takes more one bit to store items with amounts. A byte is 8 bits and is 0-255. You could store an item in on a single bit as an on/off but the amount would need a separate byte for it to remember the amount.
This could be compressed into 1 byte per item using the byte as a placeholder in a table. Like this > If you have 0 as the amount in that personal byte it's 00 and you don't have it. On the other hand if you have 1 item that byte (01) or you have 255 (FF) you have it. No need for an on/off bit because if it's 00 you don't have it. Anything more then zero you have it in that amount. Next, 1 byte (8 bit) isn't really enough to record the ID of every item on the game. I think it could be done easily with 32bits, (a string of 4 bytes.) 3 for the item ID and one for the amount. -
03-03-2012, 10:57 AMSpankWustlerAm I wrong in thinking you could include even more stuff if you had space and the desire, such as a few bits to optimize Sanguine Blade damage or a few MND bits to increase the TP return from Chivalry?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
Which I think really drives the point home. For almost any job that isn't a straight-up melee, one can post a list of stuff that already exceeds the 80 inventory limit and somebody else can say "You could use more stuff to marginal effect if you could carry more stuff and really wanted to use more stuff." -
03-03-2012, 05:16 PMArconThen can those posters explain why SE kept increasing our inventory, gave us new storage locations and several other storage options (armor storage, event item storage, Porter Moogle, etc.) over time? I can, because satisfied customers will net them more than pissed off customers, many of which don't even use their mules for storage (like me, for example).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarick
See that's why I asked you to detail how you wanted to implement it. All your answers were so vague that I couldn't guess that was what you'd use the byte for (which you only mentioned in a different post). You never explained why you needed that. I thought you meant one byte to store the entire item, by ID. Which didn't make sense, as earlier you went on about bitwise storage, which is contrary to that. And it's still different to what you're saying now because this isn't the "on/off" switch, but an extension of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarick
Anyway, the more I read about your idea the less it seems like anything new at all. You just want special storage for items with no metadata. Nothing unlimited, not even much bigger than currently possible when it takes up that much space. It's a valid suggestion, despite some limitations when implementing it, such as only being able to retrieve fractions of items at once because of stack limitations in the inventory or the fact that it will be something entirely new to display both at the same time, unless they modify the current item menu to be able to send items there via a submenu. It's basically an extra storage location, trading a restriction on space for a restriction of items that can be stored, only harder to implement.
You're not wrong at all. Many less important sets are filled in sporadically, because I'm already well aware that I won't ever be able to utilize them fully. I don't even bother to get gear for stuff like Chivalry, Sanguine Blade and Cataclysm specifically, I merely use what I already have (nuking stuff from BLM which happens to be equippable by all jobs, Shadow Gorget/Belt from WAR, MND from gear like Twilight Helm/Mail and some AF pieces and Morgana's Choker, also from my mage jobs, etc.).Quote:
Originally Posted by SpankWustler
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03-03-2012, 05:27 PMFrankReynolds
WHat??? wheres all your proc weapons holy waters echos, nin tools etc? :P
Seriously though, I will gladly continue to pay for the mule, if they just move all his storage to my mog house. Maybe they could just move him to my mog house :P -
03-03-2012, 07:11 PMArconSpeaking of proc weapons, I completely forgot to mention regular weapons: Sword and Shield (really pimp PLD even two shields). And yeah, I only use tools, food, meds, etc. before a fight, by putting one item in satchel and getting what I need then switching it back. That's also tremendously fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankReynolds
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03-04-2012, 04:06 PMAlhanelemThat gear list is absurdly excessive. No normal player keeps that many sets. I also don't know anybody, even fairly elitist players, that have two different MDT sets depending on whether or not they have shell up. A lot of that gear could also be potentially ignored by receiving buffs with the same effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpankWustler
I could strike many items off that list as miniscule incrimental upgrades that are not in any way necessary or drastically helpful enough to be carried around unless you're a perfectionist completionist, not to mention few people would come close to having all of these items just because of the effort to obtain them. This is just an extreme example of maximal situational gear utilization. -
03-04-2012, 06:24 PMArconSays you. Where is the line? That's my entire point. There is none. Any line you make is arbitrary and based on your own perception of what's "needed" (a term I hate in discussions like these, btw). This is the exact same argument that people who don't gear swap at all are bringing, only their line is even lower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
Not sure what you mean by "receiving buffs with the same effect", but that again is your own perception of what's normal and what's miniscule. When would you say is an item bonus not miniscule? STR+5 on WS? Does barely anything. But stacking it all up and you will notice a significant difference. Like the enhancing items. One alone won't do me much, but all of them will not only give me a higher shield block rate on Reprisal but also put me in a new Phalanx tier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
Same for the MDT sets. If Shell isn't up you'd want to cap MDT as far as possible. If it is up, much of that gear is wasted, and MDB is actually pretty useful. So why not use both if you're capable of it? There are some situations where Shell is dispelled quite frequently, in which case having both these sets can be very useful.
As was pointed out before, there is a lot that could be done to build upon those sets if one was going for absurd. I can tell you right now that if I had 150 inventory slots I would probably use a large portion of that. Most of the gear I listed was actually reused several times over different sets. I have no exclusive MND items for example, I just use what I get from other PLD gear. Same goes for most other things (Refresh/Regen gear, JA macro gear, enmity gear, shield gear, VIT gear, etc.). This is merely branded "extreme" because 80 is the limit. If 60 was still the limit you would call 60 items extreme. The more inventory we have, the more room we have to be marginal about our increases. If PS2 ever gets dropped and we'll have 200 inventory I assure you that many people will get over 100 items per job and having less than 60 items will be frowned upon for certain jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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03-04-2012, 11:53 PMShippAt diminished returns and sanity. Also, the line is where you're never going to be able to have more gear swaps than 78 at a given time so you might as well adjust to it. That's the line. It's not just some arbitrary line. SE has made it quite clear 80 is the limit. Keep imagining that there is going to be some magical way to get around it, and keep begging for it, but with a list of gear like that, you are being excessive and you know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
No. There comes a point of diminished returns, especially on things like MND for stoneskin, INT for nuking, etc. It's better to stack other sets. I believe that cap is 150 mnd on Stoneskin, but I haven't checked in a while. Can't remember what it is for INT, but mages should hit it easily with atmas in Aby. All you're doing is crippling your inventory for gear that might not even be making a difference at all, and if it is, it's not by as large of an amount as you think it is. If you want to do that, fine, just don't act dumb when it comes to what most players mean when they say you don't "need" that. You know good and well that we mean "what is expected of you to perform your job at least on par with others in endgame." No, I suppose I don't literally "need" HQ staves, however it is something the playerbase deems necessary. They do not deem having every empy stave necessary. Why? It's not just some arbitrary line in the sand. It's that yes, while they boost damage significantly, it's still not as large of a boost as no staff > HQ staff.Quote:
That's my entire point. There is none. Any line you make is arbitrary and based on your own perception of what's "needed" (a term I hate in discussions like these, btw). This is the exact same argument that people who don't gear swap at all are bringing, only their line is even lower.
Exactly, there are SOME situations where all that gear you listed is great. That's not every situation you're in.Quote:
Not sure what you mean by "receiving buffs with the same effect", but that again is your own perception of what's normal and what's miniscule. When would you say is an item bonus not miniscule? STR+5 on WS? Does barely anything. But stacking it all up and you will notice a significant difference. Like the enhancing items. One alone won't do me much, but all of them will not only give me a higher shield block rate on Reprisal but also put me in a new Phalanx tier.
Same for the MDT sets. If Shell isn't up you'd want to cap MDT as far as possible. If it is up, much of that gear is wasted, and MDB is actually pretty useful. So why not use both if you're capable of it? There are some situations where Shell is dispelled quite frequently, in which case having both these sets can be very useful.
You passed absurd already. 60 items was never called absurd, because after AF, AF2, staves, hMP, and your accessories along with stuff like weskit, most BLMs were already at 50+/60. That was the norm. However, there's a big difference between 75 cap and 99 cap. A lot of gear is better itemized now. There are more out-right upgrades instead of nearly every piece being a side-grade.Quote:
As was pointed out before, there is a lot that could be done to build upon those sets if one was going for absurd. I can tell you right now that if I had 150 inventory slots I would probably use a large portion of that. Most of the gear I listed was actually reused several times over different sets. I have no exclusive MND items for example, I just use what I get from other PLD gear. Same goes for most other things (Refresh/Regen gear, JA macro gear, enmity gear, shield gear, VIT gear, etc.). This is merely branded "extreme" because 80 is the limit. If 60 was still the limit you would call 60 items extreme. The more inventory we have, the more room we have to be marginal about our increases. If PS2 ever gets dropped and we'll have 200 inventory I assure you that many people will get over 100 items per job and having less than 60 items will be frowned upon for certain jobs.
I'm not saying you can't carry your equipment around with you. I'm just saying don't act like it's normal, and that those of us who don't carry 5+ sets with us at all times are the ones who are atrocities to XI. -
03-05-2012, 01:56 AMFrankReynolds
Why are you still here? You already agreed that more storage is fine.
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03-05-2012, 02:07 AMArconYou lack serious reading comprehension. I've told you twice now why that argument is wrong. I told you that we know about the limit and we're not begging to change it (for that matter, we're not begging for anything). We're giving ideas on how to bypass those restrictions. Ideas that would work. For example, if they'd implement equipping gear from sack or satchel, we'd instantly have 240 active inventory, with no change at all to the hardware limits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipp
That's wrong on several issues. First of all, you have no idea what diminishing returns are. It means the bonus will get less the more you put in. Very few things in this game have diminishing returns, what you mean is diminishing utility, and even that doesn't apply here. What you're talking about are just caps, and they're something else altogether. Stoneskin caps, but the gear I listed for Stoneskin wasn't MND gear, it was gear that enhances Stoneskin past the cap. INT you mention Abyssea, but who cares about that? Do you have any idea how much INT is needed to cap dINT on a VW mob? We have no idea how much it will be on a Legion mob.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipp
For other stats, while giving static returns they actually offer increased utility. Haste, for example, gets better the more you have, up to a cap. DT gets better the more you have, up to a cap (that's almost impossible to reach for PDT and without Shell for MDT, where the duality of those two sets comes into play again). Phalanx gets better the more you have, uncapped, and gets even better if combined with higher MDT and PDT. In fact, looking at the list I don't see any stat that goes above a cap or that offers diminishing returns. And here's the thing, even if they did offer diminishing returns it's still an approvement, even if smaller for the amount you put in.
Selective reading much? That only applies to my two different MDT sets (and btw, check them out when you get a chance, they're not very different). All other gear my PLD can use in pretty much every situation. And guess what, situations where Shell gets dispelled are quite frequent in endgame content. Most dangerous mobs have some form of AoE dispel, whether from a TP move or spell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipp
Like what? Point me to it. Seriously. Because for almost all of my jobs new items that were released were situational sidegrades (even including some AF3). If anything, SE released even more situational gear recently. All those new Stoneskin enhancing items, for example, then items that increase Stoneskin casting time and Enhancing Magic casting time, Utsusemi casting time, Aquaveil casting time, etc. I think you get my point. SE has been shoving sidegrades up our ass since the beginning of time. It's true that AF3 have replaced some old items, but they have very rarely consolidated more items into less. Hell, why do you think people still use augmented sky gear for certain purposes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipp
You are hilarious. You were the one accusing us of being unable to manage our inventory which borders on insulting. I never complained about your playstyle. I even told you specifically before that I don't have anything against people who don't swap gear at all, because it seemed back then already that you were trying to put this on me. Just stop it. All we did was make suggestions (which you don't seem to understand) that hurt absolutely no one (not even you) but would help a lot of people (including you) which is a legitimate use of these forums. Then you came in and started mouthing off about how we're being excessive and we should stop begging and whining, which we never did. I have no idea why you started posting in here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipp
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03-05-2012, 02:12 AMPsxpert2011
I think we traversed through another universe.... (around the middle of the thread but anyway...) XD
back to the subject...
_____I know many of us are PC users because of the infamous PS2 limitations and the lack of updating the software for use on PS3( because it can be run on PS3). I'm still on my gobby-bag IX quest because I cant find the items I need or because they're to expensive or w/e. Anyway, I would guess unlimited space would cause a problem. Where would all that data be saved, on your HDD or server side?? You expect SE to shoulder the burden of all your data(gear and equipment) you want to hoard. I know I have inventory space issues too because a lot of it I don't want to get rid of but I have to manage it the best I can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bntyhuntrx
_____A idea that has been stuck in my head for 8+ years and not sure wether it's possible is event items.
Also, storage should be a place on the client side for what ever doesn't threaten the balance of the MMO could be stored there and preserved regardless of MOG-SAFE cap. Also, we need more furniture with more storage space, that is all. -
03-05-2012, 06:12 AMXantaviaI think this actually hurts the argument for more storage. What would happen is that there would never be enough inventory room for some players. If we somehow had 500 walking around space, there would be people saying they need 600 to be efficient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
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03-05-2012, 07:36 AMZinatoWhile that may be true, I'm sure SE is aware of the recent upsurge of gear situational and otherwise. Periodically, as new gear/items are released new form of inventory/storage are required to contain them. While 500 space for walking around would be fantastic. (I don't think I'd ever run out of space again) I think the core of the discussion and the major factor in asking for more space/storage is Aby/VW/Sidegrade increase of the last 1-2 years. (Even if I don't speak for everyone I can still say adjusting for those 3 factors will go a long long way)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xantavia
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03-05-2012, 09:57 PMKristal
Arcon, I get the impression you could cut 20%+ of those items by smarter gear selection, putting you below 78 items.
Those rings can be replaced by two Dark Rings. And what's the deal with that Enhancing set? 5-6 items to get a meager +1 on Phalanx, when 3 would suffice and RDM's Phalanx II dominates it? Magic Attack on PLD? Rutter Sabatons in DEX set?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
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03-05-2012, 10:26 PMArconYour impression is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristal
Yes. I don't have two Dark Rings nor will I get them, but I see your point. That's two options down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristal
New Phalanx tier is at 358 Enhancing Magic, PLD's cap is at 334. That's 24 needed to break another tier, for which you need four of those items (legs and neck and two out of the five I mentioned). Also, it's not just for Phalanx, and I don't always have a RDM with me. And as I pointed out before, Phalanx has a better effect the higher it gets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristal
Sanguine Blade (both higher damage and higher HP recovery), DE+Holy II, Cataclysm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristal
I don't have (better) DEX feet and I've included them to suppress Dilaram's Sollerets from my Attack set on Vorpal/CdC. They're the best options I have for any critical WS, and that's the only use for my DEX set.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristal
Some of the items could be replaced by gear that I don't have yet (I'm still trying for a Defending Ring, for example, which would make two of these rings obsolete), but most of it wouldn't consolidate more items into less, but just give straight upgrades. Apart from the rings, for example, PDT and MDT is near impossible to cap (outside of Shell).
Also I wanna point out that this doesn't reflect accurately how my PLD uses sets. I have a pretty complex gear macro setup, I just tried to extract and group as many pieces as possible. As I mentioned before, I still have plenty of pieces I didn't include at all (like HP set, which I macro before DT to reduce enmity loss, or before Cure IV to cheat enmity while HP is at full, etc.), party because I didn't think of them or because they're too situational to carry with me at all times. But the items I mentioned here are item sets I'd like to carry with me at all times, if that option was available, which currently isn't the case. The Magic Attack set, for example, I usually leave out as well as the Augmenting Earring (which I've sold just the other day, actually) and a few other items. Which is obvious, because well, I have to. I just made these sets to show what I would use if I had the opportunity to do so. Right now I make restrictions on my gear wherever it's needed the most, depending on the event and on the setup, which is also a pretty tedious task, but which I believe is worth it for better performance. -
03-06-2012, 07:18 AMDuelleI'm more on the side of there being some sort of limitation, as the devs have indeed mentioned that the inventory cap is 80 items. I can see where you're coming from with the suggestions, but my own bias against gear swaps (which means yes, you and I are polar opposites) tells me that all this would do is prolong the inventory crunch a little more, because as they keep adding more and more gear and items to the game the inventory bloat continues to grow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
I mean, I guess they could find a way to record inventory client-side with a bigger cap if it was possible, with some sort of list file server-side that would crosscheck and synch with the client-side inventory. Don't know if it can be done or whether Tanaka & Co. would be willing to do it, though. Storage should really be accessible from rental rooms, too. -
03-08-2012, 01:51 AMSagagemini
With the amount of new jobs and gear players are reaching we definately need more 80 slots inventory.
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03-08-2012, 07:34 AMLokithor
Just provide 1 80 slot, field accessible storage space for every job you have at 99 and the ability to do a wholesale swap between any of those spaces and your inventory with a single command. That would do it. :)
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03-08-2012, 10:23 AMTsukino_Kaji
I myself and every other person I know in the game have 10-30 items that are always in their inventory, a whole swap feature would be bad.
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03-08-2012, 09:41 PMLokithorWhat's easier? Moving back 10-30 items after the swap or juggling around the other 50-70 items? And yes I know about items that are common to groups of jobs, etc. Picky crowd. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji
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03-09-2012, 09:18 AMShippExcept for the fact that you don't know whether it's even possible for gear to be equipped from the satchel, you're parroting what someone else said, and even Sarick has told you that you have misunderstood other parts of his posts. You've argued with him more than you have me. You don't know if it would work, but you're assuming it does, and SE for some reason just isn't getting with the program and fixing it. Perhaps it would require recoding a large part of the game? Did you ever think of that? No, of course not. So no, you didn't "tell me twice how I'm wrong," you spewed the same opinion at me twice, insisting it's possible when you really have no more of a clue than I do. There's a difference though, I'm talking about things people CAN do until this problem gets fixed, if it's even possible to fix, whereas you are trying to pass your idea off as a fact as if SE just isn't doing it for whatever reason when it's very easy to fix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
Example of diminishing returns with completely random numbers since I don't remember the exact INT formula for damage at the moment.Quote:
That's wrong on several issues. First of all, you have no idea what diminishing returns are. It means the bonus will get less the more you put in. Very few things in this game have diminishing returns, what you mean is diminishing utility, and even that doesn't apply here. What you're talking about are just caps, and they're something else altogether. Stoneskin caps, but the gear I listed for Stoneskin wasn't MND gear, it was gear that enhances Stoneskin past the cap. INT you mention Abyssea, but who cares about that? Do you have any idea how much INT is needed to cap dINT on a VW mob? We have no idea how much it will be on a Legion mob.
Every 2 INT boosts damage by 10 points. This lasts until 150 INT. At 150 INT, you now require 4 points of INT to boost damage by 10 points.
Example of a cap using random numbers, which might be right, but I'm not 100% sure:
Stack MND until you hit 150 MND for Stoneskin. Once you have 150MND, you will never have a more powerful Stoneskin. It will never absorb even more damage regardless of whether you add 500 more MND or not at this point.
Thanks, I know the difference between the two just fine.
I was not talking about every single stat, obviously. For someone talking about someone else lacking reading comprehension, you sure don't seem to be a paragon of it.Quote:
For other stats, while giving static returns they actually offer increased utility. Haste, for example, gets better the more you have, up to a cap. DT gets better the more you have, up to a cap (that's almost impossible to reach for PDT and without Shell for MDT, where the duality of those two sets comes into play again). Phalanx gets better the more you have, uncapped, and gets even better if combined with higher MDT and PDT. In fact, looking at the list I don't see any stat that goes above a cap or that offers diminishing returns. And here's the thing, even if they did offer diminishing returns it's still an approvement, even if smaller for the amount you put in.
Cool story. I had no clue Shell ever gets dispelled. Thank you for letting me in on that. I guess maybe when I get into endgame someday, since I've never done it, I might be as awesome as you and have gear pouring out of every orifice.Quote:
Selective reading much? That only applies to my two different MDT sets (and btw, check them out when you get a chance, they're not very different). All other gear my PLD can use in pretty much every situation. And guess what, situations where Shell gets dispelled are quite frequent in endgame content. Most dangerous mobs have some form of AoE dispel, whether from a TP move or spell.
That's the thing, situational gear is SITUATIONAL. That doesn't mean you need that situational gear for every situation.Quote:
Like what? Point me to it. Seriously. Because for almost all of my jobs new items that were released were situational sidegrades (even including some AF3). If anything, SE released even more situational gear recently. All those new Stoneskin enhancing items, for example, then items that increase Stoneskin casting time and Enhancing Magic casting time, Utsusemi casting time, Aquaveil casting time, etc. I think you get my point. SE has been shoving sidegrades up our ass since the beginning of time. It's true that AF3 have replaced some old items, but they have very rarely consolidated more items into less. Hell, why do you think people still use augmented sky gear for certain purposes?
No. Just no. You implied you don't have problems with people who don't gear swap, like me. However, I do, I just do not take it to an obsessive level. I have no problems with people who have some idea of what they're talking about (Sarick's posts actually back up why he thinks the way he does, FYI) brainstorming about a fix. What I have a problem with is people armchair-programming as if they know the code and the limitations of the game. SE has already stated 80 is the limit for inventory. YOU have no way of knowing whether or not what Sarick is suggesting is possible. What is actually hilarious is that between arguing with me while pretending that you know that gear could really be equipped from the satchel and sack is that you are also arguing back and forth with the person whose idea you are claiming as some joint-idea that you actually had any part of coming up with. Please just stop.Quote:
You are hilarious. You were the one accusing us of being unable to manage our inventory which borders on insulting. I never complained about your playstyle. I even told you specifically before that I don't have anything against people who don't swap gear at all, because it seemed back then already that you were trying to put this on me. Just stop it. All we did was make suggestions (which you don't seem to understand) that hurt absolutely no one (not even you) but would help a lot of people (including you) which is a legitimate use of these forums. Then you came in and started mouthing off about how we're being excessive and we should stop begging and whining, which we never did. I have no idea why you started posting in here.
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03-09-2012, 01:35 PMRAIST
sack/satchel equipping is theroetically possible, as it is all just data stored in a database table. The catch is, you have to designate which table you are pulling from for the source. Likely, the /equip routine is set to staticly pull from say %charactername%.inventory. To change it to pull from a different source, they would need to do one of two things: assign switches to the equip command that it would parse in a subroutine and direct it to use a different source table (if /equip -sack then set VAR equip_source=%charactername%.sack, etc), or come up with new commands and right new routines (well, basically a copy/paste and edits) that pull from each table. On one hand, they have to use at least one more temp variable for declaring the source change, or they have to increase the command list with the new commands for /sack_equip and /satchel_equip designations.
Either way, there may be some resource changes that have to be accounted for and may need to be mitigated somehow, so it would take some time for them to research/flush out their options on paper to see if they really want to go this route. -
03-09-2012, 04:19 PMArconThat was largely due to misunderstandings, which we've cleared up. Also, that was what this thread and forum is for, discussion. We discussed and reached a consensus.Quote:
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See, this is why I said you lack reading comprehension. I've basically replied to your entire post in one of my previous posts. It's as if you've skipped most of it because it was unpleasant or something. This should answer everything you've brought up:Quote:
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And because we don't know, we bring it up. And if it is indeed impossible:Quote:
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How do you know? Because I did think about that. I've actually discussed it at length with other people here. And it seems likely that it would require some recoding to deal with some occurring issues with item swapping and the likes, but overall it should be possible and feasible. Again, that is to our current understanding. If they come in and say no, we'll move on, as usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipp
I never saw you suggesting what people can do at all. Unless you consider telling people "stop using so many items" a solution.Quote:
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Really? Then what are you going on about? Because INT also caps, at some point. And neither of those facts have any implication on the gear selection I mentioned (or the extent of any other gear selection, for that matter), because as I pointed out before, if you actually get to a point of diminishing returns (which is very high for INT), you'll just need to replace those pieces of gear with others having other stats on them, like MAB (which is uncapped and offers constant returns) or even magic accuracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipp
So, you were talking about something not relevant to my post? Then why were you replying to me? Or did you just acknowledge my example but tried to say that it can be different for other people? Because I can go and list you all my SCH gear as well, if you're interested.Quote:
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The gear I posted I'd like to have in every situation. Ok, admittedly without the WS gorget and belt, that one is situational.Quote:
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I don't and I wasn't and neither was anyone else. Reading comprehension.Quote:
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You have no way of knowing it isn't, because his idea has absolutely nothing to do with the inventory. Again, reading comprehension.Quote:
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I never said that once. I said we were both discussing it. Again, reading comprehension.Quote:
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03-10-2012, 06:07 AMShippTo be honest, this is the only thing worth responding to in your entire post since you just keep stating, "READING COMPREHENSION READING COMPREHENSION" even though it's quite clear that you lack it. I'll go ahead and respond to a couple points though since I've got the time at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
Yes, INT caps, but there are also diminishing returns. Now, diminishing returns aren't so bad for things like SCH helices. However, for something like nukes, there comes a point where common sense says, "I'm having inventory issues, this piece is not worth carrying around for general nuking." If you want to carry it around, do so. Until SE changes something though, no amount of complaining, of excuse me, "brainstorming" is going to change the inventory issue.
Re-read my post. I specifically said "certain" stats. I gave examples of what I was talking about. SCH or PLD, it doesn't matter to me. There comes a point with all that gear that you're stacking that you could eliminate a few pieces or just demote them to situational. You don't have to if you don't want to. I don't care, you're the one with inventory issues, not me. I've never once in this thread said, "I don't think you should be allowed to gear swap 500 items in under 10 seconds." You have attacked me as if that's my position.Quote:
So, you were talking about something not relevant to my post? Then why were you replying to me? Or did you just acknowledge my example but tried to say that it can be different for other people? Because I can go and list you all my SCH gear as well, if you're interested.
I simply said that nobody needs to carry 80 pieces of gear with them for every single event, and the list you gave IS excessive. Doesn't mean you can't use it all if you want to, I never said that. You are just pretending that "excessive" is some arbitrary line in the sand and keep skipping over what I, and others, in this thread have told you on that.
If you want it, use it, I don't care, but until SE actually says that Sarick's idea is possible, you might as well stop assuming it is. I'd like to use a lot more gear than I currently am able to, especially on my mage jobs, but it is not possible at the moment, so I don't carry around situational gear in my inventory, I leave it in satchel/sack so when Iceday pops up, I can grab Hyorin out.Quote:
The gear I posted I'd like to have in every situation. Ok, admittedly without the WS gorget and belt, that one is situational.
Except where others, and I'm quite sure I recall reading a post from you, claim it is possible.Quote:
I don't and I wasn't and neither was anyone else. Reading comprehension.
And like I said, I know I have no way of knowing it isn't possible. I also have no way of proving Santa doesn't exist. Burden of proof lies on a person spouting a claim. So far, SE has not said whether or not Sarick's idea would even be possible, therefor there is reason to believe it's not at the current time.Quote:
You have no way of knowing it isn't, because his idea has absolutely nothing to do with the inventory. Again, reading comprehension.
You're discussing something that you have no knowledge whatsoever in though. You do not know the code SE is working with. You do not know the exact limitations. You can hypothesize all day for all I care. Hopefully it will cause SE to take note of this thread and actually let us gear swap from satchel/sack in some way.Quote:
I never said that once. I said we were both discussing it. Again, reading comprehension.
Please forgive me lack of reading comprehension for thinking you said these idea would work, when you clearly never did...:
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We're giving ideas on how to bypass those restrictions. Ideas that would work.