I remember back when I used to farm jellies in Korroloka as a Thief. Mid-farming, some group started taking my jellies while I was using cyclone to kill 'em off in groups [yes, cyclone, don't judge me. :C] and they kept pulling them off until I got peeved and cycloned their group of mobs as a whole, taking some of their experience points in the process.
One of them started sending me some hateful tells and GM'd me, to which I got subsequently jailed, for "maliciously trying to disrupt gameplay". What a dick. Takes my farming stuff and then GMs me when I fight back. |:
In the end, it's all about who you talk with and how clear you make the case. I got off with a warning, but they didn't entirely believe me; but this is a lot more obvious, so he SHOULD be taken in or *something*.
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11-15-2011, 02:40 PMModoru
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11-16-2011, 01:19 AMJeubond
Hi all,
Just to throw in my own 2pennies worth . . .
I think what this illustrates is that there are some absolute ????heads in FFXI who seem to be really sad and for whatever reason strive to wreck others play, be this for financial or sheer evil ends is a moot point, they do it and the end result is many upset players who quite rightly feel very peed-off !
I see this and other anti-social behaviour more and more these days, wish there were some easy ways to solve it.
One of the joys of this game for me are the friends I've met while camping nm's etc, how nice to turn up at the pop site, see others also waiting and within minutes a party is formed. How galling then to then find other players who have s/i themselves with the sole purpose of stealing the nm when it pops. Not for them common courtesy or consideration that others may have spent many hours camping, oh no, their game comes first and blind to any entreaties they kill the nm and warp away.
I have seen Ilax quite a few times and know that if he is aware that you need any of the mobs he is also after is only too willing to either join with you or else take turns. I'm sure he won't remember me but it it thanks to him that I got my Bst seals in double-quick time for which I am eternally grateful.
I speak as I find, if he was selfish or rude I would say but his current problem is due I feel in part to sheer envy and I feel deeply that given his courtesy his 'stalker' should be dealt with by a GM there and then, he does not deserve what amounts to harrassment in my books to continue.
The solution is not easy or clear-cut as the many posts in this thread attest, however, how nice if we could all get on together and show some maturity of thought.
Shout me when it happens please . . .
Take care !
Jeubond -
11-16-2011, 02:50 AMTeraniku
I guess it's my own personal experiences which clouds me on this. Every time I've been in this situation I've been farming and pulling one mob at a time and maybe get a link or 2 every once in a while. I know there are other players in the zone and I want them to have the same opportunity I have to get mobs for farming. Then somebody comes along and links every single mob in the zone and then takes over 30 min to kill them all, basically making the entire zone unplayable for everyone else for around 45 mins because they can't kill their mobs fast enough. BLMs in this situation I pretty much leave alone because I know they can AoE the mobs in a bunch and kill them fairly quickly. If you're a DD and using AoE attacks on weaponskills and can kill all the mobs within 10 minutes I have no problem with that.
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11-16-2011, 02:57 AMSevvy
As someone who has worked in the industry I will say that the person is not doing anything wrong in the sense of what you say. If a mob goes yellow that means its okay for ANYONE to take it, whether or not the intentions are to "spite" you. Now, if this said person whispered you with a "im doing this to grief you" statement, that would be considered harassment. The action itself isnt harassment, its the motive behind it and with any motive you need proof!
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11-16-2011, 03:29 AMArcon30min? How in the what? 10min? What kind of DDs do you see doing that? If it takes more than two minutes to kill them I'd count that as holding mobs (20 seconds for WARs). If it's 30min of killing them one by one, you should note that they start to repop within 1min, so unless you're trying to gather them yourself, that should work for you too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teraniku
These two statements are contradictory, as that was exactly what Ilax said in his opening posts. The guy who came to harass him actually did just that and said that he was gonna come to do it again and that it's not gonna be nice, which is just the kind of proof he needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sevvy
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11-17-2011, 05:52 PMZarabeth
This will soon be a moot point as war att power will be nerfed in next update, so no more FC pts
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11-17-2011, 07:40 PMArconI can't tell if you're joking or trolling, although I suppose the latter is a subset of the former.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zarabeth
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12-10-2011, 02:30 PMIlax
Well SE is not taking action, and seem that they will never take action again this issue, actually they never take action again anything period, no matter what is the issue, except if is RACIAL/Sexual comment....
But guess what, again... someone did cleave mob in my face @ last 5%, but this time he told me: {English} {too weak}, called GM for harrasment + racial comment, and all i got told is to BLIST him... are you #$@%@#$ serious???????
I am done with this GAME, thanks DEV, your game been fun and nice for many year, but is time for me to find something better to play with less frustration, a game where it happen to have fun + support.
3 account less for you, problem solve. (seem the only way you get justice in FFXI...) -
12-10-2011, 03:45 PMThanotos
one noob down.......
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12-10-2011, 05:23 PMJeubondThis comment is typical of the current mindset that seems to be prevailing in FFXI these days . . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Thanotos
For your information Thanotos, Ilax has every job at 95 and more exp than you could ever dream of !
A sad day for FFXI and shame on you SE for allowing the game to degenerate further, how many more players will you lose before you see sense, trust me, if your intention is to get us all to move to FFVI you are very sadly mistaken, it ain't going to happen.
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12-10-2011, 05:37 PMArconOne noob comments on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thanotos
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12-10-2011, 06:35 PMJackstin
My question is: why can't you prove it?
You've already said he's communicated with you; just wait for him to do it again and make a record or take a screenshot. You can also make a record of when he comes to do this to you.
If there's no way you can prove it, then from an outsiders point-of-view there is no way to differentiate between someone harassing you, and someone just being a nob. But regardless of whether you believe this, why can't you prove it? -
12-10-2011, 09:55 PMIlax
Once again, explain me... how i need to prove anything when the guy is still doing the final blow @ 5% when i am talking to a GM? What can i do since the KB55261 say is legit? I do understand is legit to grab any unclaim mob, is another story to final blow a bunch of mob @ 5% taking advantage of player.
FrankReynolds got the best "picture" of the problem.
If that company in RL would do nothing, well people would just say screw this and go shop somewhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankReynolds
*lol at tags for this thread* again... prove my point that SE fail to control passively they player, this will end in 1 direction, FFXI be full of jerk, and good luck for anyone to play this game from that point.
w/e ppl, have fun hurting each other @ they play time, and don't forger to piss off cleave PT you see around, is LEGIT!! -
12-11-2011, 06:58 AMUnleashhell
How often does this happen to you and is it the same person over and over? What zone do you do this in? I know it can be frustrating but there are ways to handle people like this. Unfortunately you cant post those kinds of things here.
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12-11-2011, 09:49 AMThanotos
the comment i made was actually a play on what the OP said regarding the harrasser, that he was "cleaning up noobs", and that he finally accomplished his task since the OP stated they quit. Honestly there is a lot worse shit that happens to players in other mmos than some guy cleaning up your hard work, so stop crying if u cant handle a multiplayer game. I am not sure if it's just me but tired of seeing a bunch of damn kids crying over dumb shit in these forums, when there is a ton of other things to be worried with. I dare you to respond to this message with some flaming, I take great pleasure in devouring those like you, I am Thanatos God of Death, and I approve this message.
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12-11-2011, 09:52 AMThanotos
oh and one last thing roflmao at frankreynolds.
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12-11-2011, 12:19 PMTrumpy
There was a guy in abby altepa that would CW for a whole alliance of people payin him to level them. He used detectors there. Well my LS was killin the iron giant and didnt really need me and i wanted to try out my CW i had just started to mess with (plus TEs are never a bad idea). So i pulled like 10 mobs max a few times leaving plenty for the other guy.
Well the last time i had pulled my 10 and slept them and i had debuffed them a bit i think when that guy ran up and cast some spell and pulled them all but like 3 from me. And he did a emote or said something in say i cant recall. So i followed him to the tunnel his group was at and he had just slept them. I immediately cast CW and one shotted them all which is usual for me. So i ended up killin my pull plus the ones he had grabbed before takin my pull. And i said in say basically "If that is the way you want to be i can play that game too."
I then went back to my group while they finished the iron giant and he followed and talked smack about me in say and even followed us while we killed a few Ranis. I guess i really angered him cause he tried to take my pull and i made him feel butt hurt when he failed. I dunno was kinda funny to me. I think a few days after that was the last time i saw him on. -
12-11-2011, 12:30 PMTrumpy
Also another time i was helpin a LS mate get arcana kills for his sword. he needed like 500-600 or somethin. we went to Abby Mis and did detectors there. We pretty much pulled every single detector. Took bout 2 hours i think to get them all. I tried a few different atma setups and even let my LS mate give it a try as he never had on his blu.
Towards the end a group came up and watched us kill a group. then they asked in say if they could join us as they needed arcana kills on Lightsday. We allied up and I finished their trials in 1.5 pulls. Would have taken them much longer if they had done it the normal way they were goin to try. In the end they were very considerate people and i even went on with them to finish the next two trials with them as i was on the same ones.
All people have to do is ask. -
12-11-2011, 02:11 PMConcerned4FFxiBut are you gonna stalk the guy? Because that's what the op is saying, it's not about him hogging all the mobs, it's about the guy following him. Let's face it, the op said that they moved, so why did the guy follow him? If they moved their burn party, then the mobs he was burning on respawned and he had no problem getting what he wanted. He should have stopped there, "ok, I stole your burn mobs, move your burn pt." "Ok I moved my burn pt, why are you still following?", at that point the guy stealing the mob becomes an ass."Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull
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12-11-2011, 04:24 PMArconAnother idiot who clearly thinks too much of himself. I'm surprised you even read the OP, because you obviously don't know what this is about. No one complained about someone taking their mobs, and if you think that you're retarded (and you can't read). Also, you're a Galka and you smell. Let the flame train roll, bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thanotos
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12-11-2011, 07:46 PMMoldtech
Ilax is the best cleaver on our server in every way imo, whoever is doing this is doing in out of pure jealousy and that's it. What's the thing you young kids say, "hater's gonna hate?" Whoever it is, they need to get a freaking life and get over it, they'll never reach Ilax's character level, in the sense of fair play and achievement, especially since they spend their time grieving his cleave parties out of envy and spite. They're not going to get very far ahead doing that at all so they'll only become more jealous as time passes.
It must be sad to be so pathetic that you become jealous of someone else's video game character to the point you attempt to stop the inevitable and make a fool out of yourself in front of everyone involved. It is grieving too and I've seen a few people get banned from grieving the old smn burn parties back in the day as well. Ilax, don't let it get to ya, think of it as a compliment that someone is so jealous as to act in such a way because of your success in the game. -
12-12-2011, 05:04 AMwish12oz
Can I make a suggestion?
Instead of just rage quitting, why don't you follow the guy around and MPK him at every possible opportunity and just make everything he does in game hell on him until you get banned? That seems like a much more fun idea to me. And obviously, it's not like you care anymore. -
12-12-2011, 08:33 PMJeubondHear, hear, well said Moldtech I agree !Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldtech
Hi Ilax,
I hope the above and other posts in this thread show you that there are some of us on Fenrir who do appreciate your input into FFXI, who support you and who also recognise the many hours you have put into the game to get your character to where it is today.
[watching you cleave is truly an education and a joy to behold]
Has it ever occurred to you that to some of us you are an inspiration and that you leaving will make our game poorer and the jerks that much stronger, surely to stop and fight will ruin their day ?!
I know it must be very frustrating for you but there are way's round it surely.
I am just one of many of your supporters, have faith, you will prevail !
Jeubond :) -
12-12-2011, 09:48 PMJackstinThere's no doubt that the guy is being a moron, but the question is whether he is breaking the rules. He is allowed to do everything he is doing to you, however he is not allowed to do it for the sake of harassing you. The only way to differentiate between the two scenarios in certainty (no matter how obvious it may appear to you) is evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilax
I do find it suspicious that you are unable to provide evidence, given that it should be very easy to do. Is it possible that you've engaged him in some way? If this is just a discussion thread venting your frustrations, then fair enough you don't have to prove anything to me, or indeed ever would.
However, if you are making feedback, or want something actually done about it, you've got to prove that your side of the story is the correct one. -
12-12-2011, 11:51 PMmacross
Just one shot them all and pull 8 at a time shrug if there's nothing else you can do about it.
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12-13-2011, 05:06 AMArbole
I'm curious as to whether this individual was part of Ilax's linkshell. There's two sides to every story, so obviously he isn't harassing him solely because he did a "/sea all" and randomly picked his name out of the list. Unfortunately, a code of conduct doesn't guarantee that these rules put into place will be enforced. You can relate these instances to cheating in academics. It's a widely accepted concept among people who cheat that it's fine as long as they don't get caught, and if they do, then who really is willing to hold them accountable for their actions? SE has these rules in place, but that doesn't matter if the GMs are unwilling to take action. I believe this is the position that most GMs take right now, which is greatly different than how they responded to harassment in the past. I remember an N-bomb going off in Whitegate years ago that immediately resulted in the ban of a player account. We've entered a period of lawlessness in Vana'diel that has no signs of changing.
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12-13-2011, 06:12 AMUnleashhell
I'm still hoping to see a name of who it was. I see no reason not to tell the rest of us who it is.
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12-13-2011, 07:38 AMCamiieI think it's against forum rules to call out players like that, but I'm pretty sure I know who Ilax is talking about because the EXACT same thing happened to a friend of mine's cleave and I know for sure who did it. If you see me online you can ask me, and I'll give you the name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unleashhell
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12-13-2011, 08:33 AMYugl
Nothing the person the OP describes has violated a strict reading of SE's rules. Anything you wish to assert is only done so through branching interpretation. Since SE does not engage in branched interpretation, they will not take action.
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12-13-2011, 03:54 PMArconThere is no "strict reading of SE's rules". The rules aren't open for interpretation. Attacking yellow mobs is allowed. Harrassing is not allowed. The end. The interpretation part falls on whether or not the actions themselves were harrassment, and that is always up for interpretation. Given the circumstances of this case in particular, following Ilax around and doing it constantly, even coming back at several times, this leads one to believe that the guy might do it purposefully to harm Ilax. However, it's far from conclusive. Then again, he did leave some comments that could incriminate him:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yugl
Of course this isn't 100% proof that he was doing it on purpose, but there won't ever be 100% proof in interpretive cases, which are all cases relating to harrassment. I'd say it's pretty obvious what was going on here. Or do you think it's different?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilax
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12-14-2011, 12:48 AMKiroko
I don't think that the fact yellow mobs are being taken should really be in any point of the argument of people posting, we all know that's fair game, but this dude is stalking this party. This guy should be placed in jail because of harassment, that little dialog he said to the OP proves he's just being a dick face and intentionally hurting the cleaver and everyone who is there for the exp. So one guy is hurting 18 people and nothing is really being done about it by the system. Sometimes I seriously hate people on FF and the GM system fails most of the time.
-nice to see your bright face again. <- Stalking
-it seems you and ur friends dont learn ^^, guess history will repeat itsself <- saying he's harassed them before
-not gonna be nice, ^^ <- Like wtf? premeditating his actions and telling the person he is going to harass them now.
-thats it
-last straw
-no more nice galka
-Tried to warn you <- He shouldn't be warning them of anything, they can play the game how ever the hell they want
If this wasn't harassment, and just the taking of mob, the dude wouldn't have said anything at all to the OP. Why the hell would you say any of this to someone, if you were just going to take the mob, with out the intention of harassment?