Disturbing a cleave PT on purpose to hurt a group, [again or not again ToS?]

[Modoru]

I remember back when I used to farm jellies in Korroloka as a Thief. Mid-farming, some group started taking my jellies while I was using cyclone to kill 'em off in groups [yes, cyclone, don't judge me. :C] and they kept pulling them off until I got peeved and cycloned their group of mobs as a whole, taking some of their experience points in the process.

One of them started sending me some hateful tells and GM'd me, to which I got subsequently jailed, for "maliciously trying to disrupt gameplay". What a dick. Takes my farming stuff and then GMs me when I fight back. |:

In the end, it's all about who you talk with and how clear you make the case. I got off with a warning, but they didn't entirely believe me; but this is a lot more obvious, so he SHOULD be taken in or *something*.

[Jeubond]

Hi all,
Just to throw in my own 2pennies worth . . .
I think what this illustrates is that there are some absolute ????heads in FFXI who seem to be really sad and for whatever reason strive to wreck others play, be this for financial or sheer evil ends is a moot point, they do it and the end result is many upset players who quite rightly feel very peed-off !
I see this and other anti-social behaviour more and more these days, wish there were some easy ways to solve it.

One of the joys of this game for me are the friends I've met while camping nm's etc, how nice to turn up at the pop site, see others also waiting and within minutes a party is formed. How galling then to then find other players who have s/i themselves with the sole purpose of stealing the nm when it pops. Not for them common courtesy or consideration that others may have spent many hours camping, oh no, their game comes first and blind to any entreaties they kill the nm and warp away.

I have seen Ilax quite a few times and know that if he is aware that you need any of the mobs he is also after is only too willing to either join with you or else take turns. I'm sure he won't remember me but it it thanks to him that I got my Bst seals in double-quick time for which I am eternally grateful.
I speak as I find, if he was selfish or rude I would say but his current problem is due I feel in part to sheer envy and I feel deeply that given his courtesy his 'stalker' should be dealt with by a GM there and then, he does not deserve what amounts to harrassment in my books to continue.

The solution is not easy or clear-cut as the many posts in this thread attest, however, how nice if we could all get on together and show some maturity of thought.
Shout me when it happens please . . .
Take care !
Jeubond

[Teraniku]

I guess it's my own personal experiences which clouds me on this. Every time I've been in this situation I've been farming and pulling one mob at a time and maybe get a link or 2 every once in a while. I know there are other players in the zone and I want them to have the same opportunity I have to get mobs for farming. Then somebody comes along and links every single mob in the zone and then takes over 30 min to kill them all, basically making the entire zone unplayable for everyone else for around 45 mins because they can't kill their mobs fast enough. BLMs in this situation I pretty much leave alone because I know they can AoE the mobs in a bunch and kill them fairly quickly. If you're a DD and using AoE attacks on weaponskills and can kill all the mobs within 10 minutes I have no problem with that.

[Sevvy]

As someone who has worked in the industry I will say that the person is not doing anything wrong in the sense of what you say. If a mob goes yellow that means its okay for ANYONE to take it, whether or not the intentions are to "spite" you. Now, if this said person whispered you with a "im doing this to grief you" statement, that would be considered harassment. The action itself isnt harassment, its the motive behind it and with any motive you need proof!

[Arcon]

I guess it's my own personal experiences which clouds me on this. Every time I've been in this situation I've been farming and pulling one mob at a time and maybe get a link or 2 every once in a while. I know there are other players in the zone and I want them to have the same opportunity I have to get mobs for farming. Then somebody comes along and links every single mob in the zone and then takes over 30 min to kill them all, basically making the entire zone unplayable for everyone else for around 45 mins because they can't kill their mobs fast enough. BLMs in this situation I pretty much leave alone because I know they can AoE the mobs in a bunch and kill them fairly quickly. If you're a DD and using AoE attacks on weaponskills and can kill all the mobs within 10 minutes I have no problem with that.

30min? How in the what? 10min? What kind of DDs do you see doing that? If it takes more than two minutes to kill them I'd count that as holding mobs (20 seconds for WARs). If it's 30min of killing them one by one, you should note that they start to repop within 1min, so unless you're trying to gather them yourself, that should work for you too.

As someone who has worked in the industry I will say that the person is not doing anything wrong in the sense of what you say. [..] The action itself isnt harassment, its the motive behind it and with any motive you need proof!

These two statements are contradictory, as that was exactly what Ilax said in his opening posts. The guy who came to harass him actually did just that and said that he was gonna come to do it again and that it's not gonna be nice, which is just the kind of proof he needs.

[Zarabeth]

This will soon be a moot point as war att power will be nerfed in next update, so no more FC pts

[Arcon]

This will soon be a moot point as war att power will be nerfed in next update, so no more FC pts

I can't tell if you're joking or trolling, although I suppose the latter is a subset of the former.

[Ilax]

Well SE is not taking action, and seem that they will never take action again this issue, actually they never take action again anything period, no matter what is the issue, except if is RACIAL/Sexual comment....

But guess what, again... someone did cleave mob in my face @ last 5%, but this time he told me: {English} {too weak}, called GM for harrasment + racial comment, and all i got told is to BLIST him... are you #$@%@#$ serious???????

I am done with this GAME, thanks DEV, your game been fun and nice for many year, but is time for me to find something better to play with less frustration, a game where it happen to have fun + support.

3 account less for you, problem solve. (seem the only way you get justice in FFXI...)

[Thanotos]

one noob down.......

[Jeubond]

one noob down.......

This comment is typical of the current mindset that seems to be prevailing in FFXI these days . . . .
For your information Thanotos, Ilax has every job at 95 and more exp than you could ever dream of !
A sad day for FFXI and shame on you SE for allowing the game to degenerate further, how many more players will you lose before you see sense, trust me, if your intention is to get us all to move to FFVI you are very sadly mistaken, it ain't going to happen.
Jeubond