Disturbing a cleave PT on purpose to hurt a group, [again or not again ToS?]

[Moldtech]

Ilax is the best cleaver on our server in every way imo, whoever is doing this is doing in out of pure jealousy and that's it. What's the thing you young kids say, "hater's gonna hate?" Whoever it is, they need to get a freaking life and get over it, they'll never reach Ilax's character level, in the sense of fair play and achievement, especially since they spend their time grieving his cleave parties out of envy and spite. They're not going to get very far ahead doing that at all so they'll only become more jealous as time passes.

It must be sad to be so pathetic that you become jealous of someone else's video game character to the point you attempt to stop the inevitable and make a fool out of yourself in front of everyone involved. It is grieving too and I've seen a few people get banned from grieving the old smn burn parties back in the day as well. Ilax, don't let it get to ya, think of it as a compliment that someone is so jealous as to act in such a way because of your success in the game.

[wish12oz]

Can I make a suggestion?
Instead of just rage quitting, why don't you follow the guy around and MPK him at every possible opportunity and just make everything he does in game hell on him until you get banned? That seems like a much more fun idea to me. And obviously, it's not like you care anymore.

[Jeubond]

Ilax is the best cleaver on our server in every way imo, whoever is doing this is doing in out of pure jealousy and that's it. What's the thing you young kids say, "hater's gonna hate?" Whoever it is, they need to get a freaking life and get over it, they'll never reach Ilax's character level, in the sense of fair play and achievement, especially since they spend their time grieving his cleave parties out of envy and spite. They're not going to get very far ahead doing that at all so they'll only become more jealous as time passes.

It must be sad to be so pathetic that you become jealous of someone else's video game character to the point you attempt to stop the inevitable and make a fool out of yourself in front of everyone involved. It is grieving too and I've seen a few people get banned from grieving the old smn burn parties back in the day as well. Ilax, don't let it get to ya, think of it as a compliment that someone is so jealous as to act in such a way because of your success in the game.

Hear, hear, well said Moldtech I agree !

Hi Ilax,
I hope the above and other posts in this thread show you that there are some of us on Fenrir who do appreciate your input into FFXI, who support you and who also recognise the many hours you have put into the game to get your character to where it is today.
[watching you cleave is truly an education and a joy to behold]
Has it ever occurred to you that to some of us you are an inspiration and that you leaving will make our game poorer and the jerks that much stronger, surely to stop and fight will ruin their day ?!
I know it must be very frustrating for you but there are way's round it surely.
I am just one of many of your supporters, have faith, you will prevail !
Jeubond

[Jackstin]

Once again, explain me... how i need to prove anything when the guy is still doing the final blow @ 5% when i am talking to a GM? What can i do since the KB55261 say is legit? I do understand is legit to grab any unclaim mob, is another story to final blow a bunch of mob @ 5% taking advantage of player.

There's no doubt that the guy is being a moron, but the question is whether he is breaking the rules. He is allowed to do everything he is doing to you, however he is not allowed to do it for the sake of harassing you. The only way to differentiate between the two scenarios in certainty (no matter how obvious it may appear to you) is evidence.

I do find it suspicious that you are unable to provide evidence, given that it should be very easy to do. Is it possible that you've engaged him in some way? If this is just a discussion thread venting your frustrations, then fair enough you don't have to prove anything to me, or indeed ever would.

However, if you are making feedback, or want something actually done about it, you've got to prove that your side of the story is the correct one.

[macross]

Just one shot them all and pull 8 at a time shrug if there's nothing else you can do about it.

[Arbole]

I'm curious as to whether this individual was part of Ilax's linkshell. There's two sides to every story, so obviously he isn't harassing him solely because he did a "/sea all" and randomly picked his name out of the list. Unfortunately, a code of conduct doesn't guarantee that these rules put into place will be enforced. You can relate these instances to cheating in academics. It's a widely accepted concept among people who cheat that it's fine as long as they don't get caught, and if they do, then who really is willing to hold them accountable for their actions? SE has these rules in place, but that doesn't matter if the GMs are unwilling to take action. I believe this is the position that most GMs take right now, which is greatly different than how they responded to harassment in the past. I remember an N-bomb going off in Whitegate years ago that immediately resulted in the ban of a player account. We've entered a period of lawlessness in Vana'diel that has no signs of changing.

[Unleashhell]

I'm still hoping to see a name of who it was. I see no reason not to tell the rest of us who it is.

[Camiie]

I'm still hoping to see a name of who it was. I see no reason not to tell the rest of us who it is.

I think it's against forum rules to call out players like that, but I'm pretty sure I know who Ilax is talking about because the EXACT same thing happened to a friend of mine's cleave and I know for sure who did it. If you see me online you can ask me, and I'll give you the name.

[Yugl]

Nothing the person the OP describes has violated a strict reading of SE's rules. Anything you wish to assert is only done so through branching interpretation. Since SE does not engage in branched interpretation, they will not take action.

[Arcon]

Nothing the person the OP describes has violated a strict reading of SE's rules. Anything you wish to assert is only done so through branching interpretation. Since SE does not engage in branched interpretation, they will not take action.

There is no "strict reading of SE's rules". The rules aren't open for interpretation. Attacking yellow mobs is allowed. Harrassing is not allowed. The end. The interpretation part falls on whether or not the actions themselves were harrassment, and that is always up for interpretation. Given the circumstances of this case in particular, following Ilax around and doing it constantly, even coming back at several times, this leads one to believe that the guy might do it purposefully to harm Ilax. However, it's far from conclusive. Then again, he did leave some comments that could incriminate him:

-nice to see your bright face again.
-it seems you and ur friends dont learn ^^, guess history will repeat itsself
-not gonna be nice, ^^
-thats it
-last straw
-no more nice galka
-Tried to warn you

Of course this isn't 100% proof that he was doing it on purpose, but there won't ever be 100% proof in interpretive cases, which are all cases relating to harrassment. I'd say it's pretty obvious what was going on here. Or do you think it's different?