Add New Jobs to Relic Weapons - Past Due for an Explanation

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

Those THFs may not have noticed that Mandau is nothing more than Delay/Damage when you equip it offhand.

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Yes but it's the highest Delay/DMG dagger in the game and that alone makes it the best offhand weapon you can equip opposite Twastar even without the +35 attack. Although it can be argued that Mandau/Twastar is better than Twastar/Mandau due to Twastar actually granting it's +15 DEX offhand.

That was kind of my point but I'm pretty sure there are quite a few free daggers that produce similar or better results in the off hand. Admittedly, I have never run the numbers because the thought of making a Twashtar has never even crossed my mind.

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Originally Posted by Briarb19

Seriously, this isn't a topic about the imbalance associated with DNC updates compared to what THFs have gotten, so why are you still here arguing? It's very obvious your only motive in feeling the way you do is based merely on you feeling scorned by the DNC updates and what you feel it has done to THF, but do I really have to repeat that this topic has other jobs in the mix that need to be factored in here? Your last argument where you attempted to blur the clear line here with "armor arguments" was your weakest attempt yet at creating a whole lot of something out of nothing.

The topic is simple one. There are three classes of end game 'top tier' weapons. Five of the game's jobs are limited to only two of them. We're requesting SE fix that. The End. Now please, again, respectfully take this "DNC vs THF updates" topic somewhere else.

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THANK YOU, jesus. It's like if DNC didn't use daggers that person wouldn't have even been in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Briarb19

Seriously, this isn't a topic about the imbalance associated with DNC updates compared to what THFs have gotten, so why are you still here arguing? It's very obvious your only motive in feeling the way you do is based merely on you feeling scorned by the DNC updates and what you feel it has done to THF, but do I really have to repeat that this topic has other jobs in the mix that need to be factored in here? Your last argument where you attempted to blur the clear line here with "armor arguments" was your weakest attempt yet at creating a whole lot of something out of nothing.

The topic is simple one. There are three classes of end game 'top tier' weapons. Five of the game's jobs are limited to only two of them. We're requesting SE fix that. The End. Now please, again, respectfully take this "DNC vs THF updates" topic somewhere else.

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This. It shouldn't even be a major issue because only a minority of players have Mandau and will have Mandau. Even then, considering that one of the two 'top tier' (The Mythic Weapons) is virtually impossible to obtain with no clear sign of changing this in the next 6 months, and then considering how easy it is to obtain the empyrean weapon, I still believe that this needs to be changed.

And no, adding 5 new relic weapons will not fix it. It is a pointless fix when the current weapon type already exists.

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Originally Posted by Suirieko

So. What. That's like saying it's unfair for blue mage to use Homam because it didn't exist when Homam came out. That is like saying it's unfair for corsair to even wield Blood/Crimson Cuisses (aka W.Legs)

Edit: let me tell you that W.legs is NOt an easy piece of gear to obtain due to its rarity.

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yes it's unfair that blu can equip homam because he can also equip nashira and W abju, corcan equip W abju set and pup can't equip any

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Originally Posted by hiko

yes it's unfair that blu can equip homam because he can also equip nashira and W abju, corcan equip W abju set and pup can't equip any

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Not the same argument

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Not the same argument

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but same argument that blu cor pup dnc sch dont have acces to relic

I guess I should throw away my Verethragna before I level PUP so that I won't have an unfair advantage by dinging into the weapon.

Oh, wait. That would be retarded.

I think we're done here.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I guess I should throw away my Verethragna before I level PUP so that I won't have an unfair advantage by dinging into the weapon.

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While I don't support his argument at all, the difference here is that when you decided to get a Verethragna, you already knew it would have been useable on PUP. It's simply a matter of opinion. SE violated that principle on several occasions (Nashira/Homam gear was mentioned), the only question is where to draw the line, and in my opinion there is no line. This should not be an excuse not to add the jobs.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I guess I should throw away my Verethragna before I level PUP so that I won't have an unfair advantage by dinging into the weapon.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

While I don't support his argument at all, the difference here is that when you decided to get a Verethragna, you already knew it would have been useable on PUP.

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But in the event that a new h2h job were added then, from Alhanelem stand point, yes.

of course that would leave you with only access to a mythic weapon no relic or empy; as well as, from Alhanelem stand point, you, as a new h2h job, should have no access to preexisting h2h ToM weapons. the job did no exist when the weapons were conceived therefore you having them could destroy the universe. (This is purely for stating a point so don't get hung up on the mentioning of the fictional new h2h job)