Why Do You Loose Claim On Abyssea Mobs If Everyone Is Not Dead?

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Originally Posted by svengalis

They home point or leave the zone... It's not hard.

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And if i do not want to leave the zone...?

Come on, i know you are not that stupid.

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Originally Posted by rog

No, the only two things that can unclaim a mob:

1) disengaging
2) attacking a different mob while not engaged.

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You left out dying. My tank died and the mob went unclaimed. I tried to reclaim it but was beaten by another party close to us.

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Originally Posted by svengalis

They home point or leave the zone... It's not hard.

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Keeping claim isn't hard either.

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Originally Posted by svengalis

You left out dying. My tank died and the mob went unclaimed. I tried to reclaim it but was beaten by another party close to us.

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Actually he didn't, dying would equal disengaging according to another one of his posts.

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Originally Posted by svengalis

You left out dying. My tank died and the mob went unclaimed. I tried to reclaim it but was beaten by another party close to us.

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No i did not. Dying causes you to disengage, which is why you lose claim. Same with zoning, as you would know if you read all of my posts.

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

My linkshell will usually wait for a group to fully wipe before claiming an NM.

However, if it is blatantly obvious said group is just zombie-killing it with Apoc atma then we will claim as soon as yellow.

Tbh they should make the reraise effect from this atma and twilight gear only work if you're not weakened.

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Why does it matter how someone chooses to kill a mob? It it isn't your pop and they don't give up you should leave it alone. Have some decency.

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

I've never seen claim lost outside Aby on an NM with an active DoT/Debuff effect. I do remember there was something done to keep HNMLS from just kiting their NM until the rest of the shell showed up. but I thought that was the rage system, to kill the kiter, I don't recall anything about losing claim. Granted, I never had any interest in HNMLS-type play so I never looked into it that much other than to laugh at monopolizers getting their just deserts when the announcement was made.

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It doesn't happen outside of Abyssea. You can't even claim with certain spells in Abyssea which also doesn't happen outside of Abyssea.

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Originally Posted by rog

And if i do not want to leave the zone...?

Come on, i know you are not that stupid.

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Why would you continue to fight a mob you cannot kill?

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Originally Posted by rog

No i did not. Dying causes you to disengage, which is why you lose claim. Same with zoning, as you would know if you read all of my posts.

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I am not responding to you anymore.

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Originally Posted by svengalis

It doesn't happen outside of Abyssea. You can't even claim with certain spells in Abyssea which also doesn't happen outside of Abyssea.

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Well that's a lot of bs, losing claim on a mob despite DoT/debuff being on it certainly does happen outside of abyssea. And pardon me for asking, but which spell(s) can't you claim with when in abyssea?

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Originally Posted by svengalis

It doesn't happen outside of Abyssea. You can't even claim with certain spells in Abyssea which also doesn't happen outside of Abyssea.

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wat

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Originally Posted by svengalis

Why would you continue to fight a mob you cannot kill?

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You would not. You would disengage, and let someone else take it. Oh wait, that would not work anymore, since it would be impossible to unclaim a mob without dying. See the problem?

Would still like to know which spells you can't claim with in abyssea...

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Well that's a lot of bs, losing claim on a mob despite DoT/debuff being on it certainly does happen outside of abyssea. And pardon me for asking, but which spell(s) can't you claim with when in abyssea?

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I was trying to find spell in a hurry and used shock, I think bio also doesn't work there's quite a few.

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Originally Posted by svengalis

I was trying to find spell in a hurry and used shock, I think bio also doesn't work there's quite a few.

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I claim with bio all the time

Why would you even use those spells to claim? If you are on blm, stun - if you are on rdm, dia (or flash or stun depending on subjob) - if you are on whm, dia or flash.

There's no difference with claim mechanics inside and outside Abyssea. Zero Difference. No Difference at all.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Why would you even use those spells to claim? If you are on blm, stun - if you are on rdm, dia (or flash or stun depending on subjob) - if you are on whm, dia or flash.

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I claim with bio on rdm because i will need cast it after anyway,

(rdm is only good for soloing, in case anyone missed that)

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Originally Posted by rog

I claim with bio on rdm because i will need cast it after anyway,

(rdm is only good for soloing, in case anyone missed that)

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I agree with that, and I have also claimed with bio when soloing as rdm in abyssea. But I wouldn't pick neither bio nor shock to claim with if I have competition.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

I agree with that, and I have also claimed with bio when soloing as rdm in abyssea. But I wouldn't pick neither bio nor shock to claim with if I have competition.

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Not sure when competition was brought into this.

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Originally Posted by rog

Not sure when competition was brought into this.

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Because if there is no competition, it doesn't matter one bit if it actually is impossible to claim with certain spells. Then you can claim with AM2 for that matter.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Because if there is no competition, it doesn't matter one bit if it actually is impossible to claim with certain spells. Then you can claim with AM2 for that matter.

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Yeah, but competition does not change whether it is possible to claim with a spell.

Btw, sven go check the wiki page for amun. That should explain everything.

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Originally Posted by rog

Yeah, but competition does not change whether it is possible to claim with a spell.

Btw, sven go check the wiki page for amun. That should explain everything.

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I know, I agree, I sidetracked a bit by questioning why someone would even use shock and to a lesser degree bio to claim with. Which was beside the point really.

And yes, Amun, and also Mictlantecuhtli.

The only odd thing I've seen was when my boyfriend and I were fighting an NM, he was nin/dnc, I was blm/brd, and while he was engaged and hitting it, it went unclaimed. We were like "Wtf?!" No one else was around so it didn't really matter, but it was kind of strange to see.

I never said you couldn't claim, I said you couldn't KEEP claim with debuff/DoT. I've been in alliances where we are fighting, doing ok, have debuffs and Dot on the Iron Giant as an example. The tank, maybe a couple other people die, BUT MUCH OF THE ALLIANCE IS STILL ALIVE. DoT and such are still active and we just want to kite the mob off the top of our tank/deaders so they can get up. DoT still doing its thing, but the mob goes yellow anyway!

THAT's my bitch. DoT, or even para for that matter, generate hate, and if there is an active, hate-generating efect on the mob (in the case of DoT still dealing damage, too) why are we losing hate? Is it suddenly only melee, ranged or nukes that generate hate, and you better have a new one land every RL second?

Also begs the question of why requiem on a well equipped 90 bard/whm, /dnc or /rdm with full merits and good casting Atma can't land, at all. Threnody lands no problem. Requiem would be a useful claim maintainence tool, if it ever worked.

You're losing claim while kiting because you're running too far away from the NM...

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Originally Posted by Neika

The only odd thing I've seen was when my boyfriend and I were fighting an NM, he was nin/dnc, I was blm/brd, and while he was engaged and hitting it, it went unclaimed. We were like "Wtf?!" No one else was around so it didn't really matter, but it was kind of strange to see.

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these are the mysteries! beware of questions! the last who questioned this was found hanging by his ankles dead head-first in a used toilet...

DoT has never affected claim or (after the patch) affected whether or not monsters will despawn. I know I can't be the only BLM that has had puddings on Mount Z depop with DoTs on them.

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Originally Posted by svengalis

Why does it matter how someone chooses to kill a mob? It it isn't your pop and they don't give up you should leave it alone. Have some decency.

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More like, have some decency and don't pop stuff then zombie it for 2 hours holding everyone else up who wants to pop it, then throw a fit when they steal it from you. Though this is probably not a problem anymore inside abyssea, it was for awhile.

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Amun and Mich require 2 actions for them to claim to you and try to kill you, didn't read the whole thread but I think this is something people were not aware of? Both actions do not need to come from the same person though, like you could voke then your friend (who is in your alliance) cast dia, and it would chase after you.

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

I never said you couldn't claim, I said you couldn't KEEP claim with debuff/DoT. I've been in alliances where we are fighting, doing ok, have debuffs and Dot on the Iron Giant as an example. The tank, maybe a couple other people die, BUT MUCH OF THE ALLIANCE IS STILL ALIVE. DoT and such are still active and we just want to kite the mob off the top of our tank/deaders so they can get up. DoT still doing its thing, but the mob goes yellow anyway!

THAT's my bitch. DoT, or even para for that matter, generate hate, and if there is an active, hate-generating efect on the mob (in the case of DoT still dealing damage, too) why are we losing hate? Is it suddenly only melee, ranged or nukes that generate hate, and you better have a new one land every RL second?

Also begs the question of why requiem on a well equipped 90 bard/whm, /dnc or /rdm with full merits and good casting Atma can't land, at all. Threnody lands no problem. Requiem would be a useful claim maintainence tool, if it ever worked.

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DoT spells only generate hate on the initial cast; there is no "hate generating effect" on them beyond that. Requiem can be used for claiming, even if it resists.

Did anyone mention that you can lose your claim if the mob is unable to take an offensive action on a player for a certain period of time? I can't remember the amount of time, 45 or 60 seconds I think.

Back before the cap was raised my husband and I would do a lot of duo RDM or BLM stuff, such as the Uggalepih Necklace NM. We'd always be losing claim on it if we never let it cast on us. Quite nerve wracking to stay within casting range of a mob that casts Death.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

BST have been dealing with this for years nothing new.

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this is different, when a bst uses charm it claims the mob, which changes that characters red mob (since you can only have one red at a time per player).

if you dont do anything to a particular mob for a cartain amount of time it will also go white, but wont drop aggro - within abyssea this also means that your procs will stay.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Why would you even use those spells to claim? If you are on blm, stun - if you are on rdm, dia (or flash or stun depending on subjob) - if you are on whm, dia or flash.

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I guess you missed the part where I said in a hurry. The tank died. I had all my spells set to bt. I realized the mob went unclaimed and quickly ran through the menus just wanting to hit any dot spell but of course the one I chose didn't stick.

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Originally Posted by rog

Yeah, but competition does not change whether it is possible to claim with a spell.

Btw, sven go check the wiki page for amun. That should explain everything.

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But Bio is not as fast as stun.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

More like, have some decency and don't pop stuff then zombie it for 2 hours holding everyone else up who wants to pop it, then throw a fit when they steal it from you. Though this is probably not a problem anymore inside abyssea, it was for awhile.

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Amun and Mich require 2 actions for them to claim to you and try to kill you, didn't read the whole thread but I think this is something people were not aware of? Both actions do not need to come from the same person though, like you could voke then your friend (who is in your alliance) cast dia, and it would chase after you.

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Ah that was the issue then in that case. It's funny you brought it up because I think it was Bio that I casted on him and it did not claim.

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Originally Posted by svengalis

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Ah that was the issue then in that case. It's funny you brought it up because I think it was Bio that I casted on him and it did not claim.

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If you cast bio on it then ran off, which I assume you did, it would of went red for about 3 seconds then turned white again and never actually acknowledged you. It's just a weird game mechanic SE decided to add =/

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DoT has never affected claim or (after the patch) affected whether or not monsters will despawn. I know I can't be the only BLM that has had puddings on Mount Z depop with DoTs on them.

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More than likely you`re the only BLM to ever cast a DoT on a pudding at Mt. Z.

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

I never said you couldn't claim, I said you couldn't KEEP claim with debuff/DoT. I've been in alliances where we are fighting, doing ok, have debuffs and Dot on the Iron Giant as an example. The tank, maybe a couple other people die, BUT MUCH OF THE ALLIANCE IS STILL ALIVE. DoT and such are still active and we just want to kite the mob off the top of our tank/deaders so they can get up. DoT still doing its thing, but the mob goes yellow anyway!

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It is amazing how someone can think this, when it is so clearly not true.

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Originally Posted by blowfin

More than likely you`re the only BLM to ever cast a DoT on a pudding at Mt. Z.

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Bio II, Bind, Poison II, get a few ticks of MP while the last 2-3% of the monster tick away so you can extend your chain further. I'd hope I'm not the only person who figured that out.

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Originally Posted by blowfin

More than likely you`re the only BLM to ever cast a DoT on a pudding at Mt. Z.

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Wrong. In addition to the DoTs Byrth mentioned, a lot of BLMs liked to cast Burn on the puddings. Or claim them with Bio when competition was around.

Why not DoT them when attempting to sleep them was generally a waste of time and MP?

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Originally Posted by Eeek

Why not DoT them when attempting to sleep them was generally a waste of time and MP?

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Only if your only enfeebling gear was an nq dark staff. I had little trouble sleeping them with this.

Okay guys, we had a warrior and blue mage attacking Gukumatz. The blue mage looses connection and Gukumatz goes white WHILE the warrior is still attacking it. BTW Gukumatz was facing the WAR when he went white.

If you guys are going to sit and here and tell me there is not a problem then I don't know what else to say. This is an issue and it needs to be fixed.