Wake up, "Seekers" is failing

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Originally Posted by Kincard

Thanks for reminding me that the game is in fact, a game? As other people have pointed out, try to take what I'm saying in-context of us already understanding that fact instead of trying to play some kind of real life card.

(Unless you're going to tell me you still do Garrison, EFs, or Khimaira)

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Yes, I'm sorry, I really did word that poorly and didn't get my point across. You said:

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Originally Posted by Kincard

It's recovering but we're still in that phase where a huge amount of people are unmotivated because they have no idea if working on something right now is even worth it.

1. Work on a delve weapon and they rebuff REM to be better -> waste of time
2. Work on REM for a waste of time now, rebuffed REM still don't match up -> waste of time

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What I was trying to say is that those people who feel unmotivated should get over themselves. Yes, delve weapons will probably be outclassed someday. Yes, RMEs are already outclassed and will probably be outclassed. Is it a waste of time? Yes, the whole damned game is a waste of time. We came here to waste time.

Now if you're trying to argue that it's not fun, that's a different matter entirely. Or if you're trying to argue that the next thing after delve weapons is going to be possible for you to obtain without climbing the delve ladder and therefore destroy your need to ever do delve, well, we could get into that discussion too. SE made a mistake giving people the opportunity to zombie second tier (IV and V) to death, and we hit second tier delve levels much more quickly than intended. That's probably why it's taking so much longer for people to max out on third tier delve (because the bosses have a time limit).

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

What I was trying to say is that those people who feel unmotivated should get over themselves. Yes, delve weapons will probably be outclassed someday. Yes, RMEs are already outclassed and will probably be outclassed. Is it a waste of time? Yes, the whole damned game is a waste of time. We came here to waste time.

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You may have come here to waste time, I came here for entertainment, and part of that entertainment is enhancing my character. If I think or know that next month my enhancements this month will mean nothing then it largly impacts my enjoyment from doing the things I do to enhance my character.

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Now if you're trying to argue that it's not fun, that's a different matter entirely. Or if you're trying to argue that the next thing after delve weapons is going to be possible for you to obtain without climbing the delve ladder and therefore destroy your need to ever do delve, well, we could get into that discussion too. SE made a mistake giving people the opportunity to zombie second tier (IV and V) to death, and we hit second tier delve levels much more quickly than intended. That's probably why it's taking so much longer for people to max out on third tier delve (because the bosses have a time limit).

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I agree and disagree. I think its still related before those things, but those are also related. So far as the zombie situation goes, its what I have been saying for a week or so now, we abused our chance at hyper-acceleration though content and left us how we are now. The only reason Mega Bosses were not abused in the same way is cause of the time limit like you said.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

You may have come here to waste time, I came here for entertainment, and part of that entertainment is enhancing my character. If I think or know that next month my enhancements this month will mean nothing then it largly impacts my enjoyment from doing the things I do to enhance my character.

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You're correct there, and I did not consider it that way, I suppose. I always refer to FFXI as "wasting my time", but the truth is I really enjoy wasting my time in FFXI. Well, most of the time.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Just a question, how much of this playerbase do you think is hardcore? If you can not do content unless your hardcore, what are casual players doing? Is there a reason casual players are doing nothing? I mean there is other content in the game, Delve is not everything there is, yet everyone seems hellbent on believing it is.

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I dn't think you get it. It's not the fact that everything that left is hardcore it's just the fact that the new content was rushed and basically is the wrong direction. Like I said It's something I can't articulate. More or less a monster was created that very few will have the opportunity to experience. Hell, thats the whole point is making the game fun for everyone.

Let me ask you.. When you was joining those worm parties and low man groups for your gear didn't you ever notice how much more attractive the game was on a social level? That's the thing that kills several events because people are F'n jerks the game is about teaming up with these players. People say well just make your own team etc. Tried that shit and nearly had a panic attack.

The game should be created to be friendly and enjoyable for everyone. This can't be done if the content is created in a way that forces players to upgrade to even participate. IE item levels. The system I spoke of was one that included everyone in a broad perspective. Not only that but players would keep their gained power without stuffing their safe with more trash they'll be collecting dust after a while.

I don't know how to explain it to you because you're play style differs to much. For the most part all you need to know is the game has went down hill for a lot of players most unsubscribed already. I've lost hundreds of friends off my f-list. What remains most are people who are used to playing more several days a week. They've found something to waste time on.

Like I said the expasion and it's item leveling system is horrid. You seem to agree with the item system going in the wrong direction. I just want the game to be atractive again like it was when all the ABBYSEA content was added. OMG those days where fun we could level up and merit till everything was level 99.

Now If SE added some unique boss fights/quest that upgraded merit limits and gave enhanced gear upgrade treasure for groups that assist players who've never unlocked them that'd be a community bonus. I'm looking for events like dynamis before the abbysea where everyone could participate on any skill/gear level if they was 75 and had basic gear+skills. Now days its YOU NEED gear and or a lot of ass kissing.

Sorry. I can't explain it like I said thinking about how much has changed since SoA makes me sick.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

What I was trying to say is that those people who feel unmotivated should get over themselves. Yes, delve weapons will probably be outclassed someday. Yes, RMEs are already outclassed and will probably be outclassed. Is it a waste of time? Yes, the whole damned game is a waste of time. We came here to waste time.

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This is a horrid way to influence FFXI players who are already on the fence. Remember the only reason SE keeps this game going is because it's still profitable. You think the groups of people who are unmotivated, can't participate, are the fence about quitting or have quit because of the development choices is HELPING this game?

IMHO it's hurting it. For every single player that speaks up there are many who don't. Each of those players represent $14+ a month in US currency. Some own multiple accounts and mules. This money is used to pay the staff, upgrade the game and keep the severs running. I'm sure you know this already. Here's a key element.

You say these people who need to get over themselves because they don't like how the game is playing out. Think about it they don't have to stay. Are you trying to entice these players to leave? Who's fault is this if the game isn't fun? It seriously can't only be the players fault.

In heart, don't you think the game would benefit much more if it was developed to be fun and addictive for everyone instead of a boring job like environment with nothing but a long pointless grids? I'm sure if it was quality material so many people wouldn't be complaining and um, quitting. Like I mentioned the few times. These forums don't give a good poll, it's the ones who didn't speak we should be worrying about.

I am not the top of the line player but I do however pay for two accounts something I won't be doing anymore as soon as my Billing comes up on my 2nd account I will not be paying for the upcoming month.
lol they did get me with the bonanza stuff i will be writing the numbers down and wait for them to be announce if i happen to win and its really worth my $12 and change I pay get my price see what the deal is with the game by then.
i however will give it hold until August.

I think they could at least give players other avenues to pursue this stuff. I think the development team underestimate the concept that getting help isn't an inevitability when playing a social game. It's out of the players' hands.
This only gets worsened by the fact that new content better serves to bottleneck the entire player-base.
In the case of delve, people are looking to only participate with players who are in the top percentage of players.

Then when you factor in that new content takes away overall participation in older content, it can decrease the availability of support on people who are behind in their progress, yet who still need some help getting up to scratch.

I'm sure nobody wants to have a game where you can homogenise people's achievements regardless of how much time and effort they put in, but at the same time, you shouldn't be encouraging or being seen to allow a huge divide to exist between casual and hardcore players.

I think there should be more solo or low-man alternative routes to getting, if not the same gear, then something very similar. Naturally, it should take a lot longer to do, but the important thing is at least it represents progress.
I mean, I'd have happily done 500-1000 soloable old Nyzul floors rather than wait for like two years to finally climb 100.

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Originally Posted by Quixote

I am not the top of the line player but I do however pay for two accounts something I won't be doing anymore as soon as my Billing comes up on my 2nd account I will not be paying for the upcoming month.
lol they did get me with the bonanza stuff i will be writing the numbers down and wait for them to be announce if i happen to win and its really worth my $12 and change I pay get my price see what the deal is with the game by then.
i however will give it hold until August.

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What's sad is, when I first read your post, I thought, oh, I need to write those down before my account goes inactive.

Then I thought, even if I won the grand prize, do I even care anymore? The game feels meaningless now.

From my point of view, the expansion is a failure

-Too much of the casual playerbase is caught up in getting the KIs then plasm grinding and getting multiple weapons and armor for random jobs, and not advancing a single job to an advanced level capable of taking on delve megaboss.
Many players continue to grind plasm in the most boring way possible and I feel this will actually burn out alot of people on the game.



Which brings me to the next related point:

-The game lacks enough motivated+skilled players to recruit for linkshells aiming to kill megabosses . Killing 1-4 NMs in a fracture run is not too difficult, but low server population and most people aren't up for the time commitment and high performance expected to do these.

which has created another side effect:

-Some LS sell megaboss wins for gil, which doesnt motivate people to build their skills or jobs or group up to learn how to beat the content themselves. Someone can just go farm gil for a couple weeks to buy a 'win' and unlock access to the best weapons in the game for plasm.

-The developer's hopes for a dynamic world have failed imo. Noone wants to help maintain bivouacs so we are lucky if we have more than 1 in any zone. This destroys zone accessibility for solo/small groups and general exploring of every zone. You have effectively REDUCED the amount of game content in this expansion that people can access easily.

-Colonization continues to decay, and noone enjoys 5 hour naakual fights.
I got lucky and got the item I wanted from Tchakka on my 1st fight, I will never do that one again - your battle design and reward system for these is terrible and creates little incentive to do wildkeeper reives multiple times.

-The draw of participating in delve as an income source from selling airlixir is disappearing since a couple LS can now farm megaboss and continue to push the price down. This design creates less interest in plasm farming for casual players because its less viable money making alternative.

Lower airlixir prices do create more appeal in spending farmed plasm on more gear or upgrading gear (HOWEVER, you have given us no way to store conveniently all the new gear since we have not gotten any more storage space).

The drastic jump in gear power instills a lack of faith in pursuing some gear and upgrades since people feel it may be completely outclassed in the future. Previously, gear was more horizontal/sidegrade/situational and people felt generally more secure the time and effort into pursuing items.
This is probably the most dangerous change to the game in its 11 year existence since it destroys motivation to play and makes people doubt what they should be spending their time doing to advance their characters for the long term.

I was playing last night as a Rune Fencer and messing around in the new areas. I was experimenting Blue mage as a support Job and I found it very useful. I took advantage of the chain affinity and magic bursting lunge for nearly 3.7k of dmg. Now heres where the boring part came in. No one was doing colonization reives, and after defeating countless of tough Mobs around the area, not once have i gotten a drop of an item that is not a crystal or stones used for trial of the magians. Farming bayld points or ítems to sell from the new area is pointless as it stands now. So, all this new content has got to offer for us is to farm plasm points. I didn't mind at first, i got what i wanted from it, but to keep doing the same thing over and over again for airlixirs (really don't like how this is obtained) isn't really fun. Hoping the new content is coming out soon, or ima just calll iit quits. Neither i plan to play FFXIV, FFXI is my FIRST, ONLY, and the LAST MMORPG i'll play. I have played this game for more than 6 years, I've experienced how addictivies these games are.

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Originally Posted by Vivivivi

I disagree, though Pchan makes many valid points.

I don't think Seekers is failing, but I hesitate to say it'll be a wild success, as it stands right now, it's a work in progress.

Delve has replaced voidwatch on our server, maybe we play at different times? I never see VW shouts anymore. Skirmish expansions look promising, but keep in mind I think the target audience for skirmish is the more casual players. I know many people who don't really do delve but do skirmish a lot. I think it's a nice mixture of content levels.

I think delve is/was a great addition, it's leveled the playing field for those who want great weapons but don't want to put the time and effort into getting a R/E/M to level 99, which is orders of magnitude higher than getting a base delve weapon.

It's too early to rule out GEO and RUN as viable jobs, as they don't yet have JSE, or even merits. I'm sure we'll see those jobs fall into place as they mature, especially with yet to be released content.

Really, I think it's just too early to make the call that Seeker's is failing, especially if it's the content most people seem to be enjoying at the moment, but I might look back on this post six months from now and agree with all of Pchan's points, but I hope not as I'm personally enjoying what Seeker's has to offer right now.

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I'm with you, especially about skirmish, but I think Matsui already said that was a tier so casual players could get strong enough to tackle the delve content, since many casuals-especially those that don't focus on a single job-don't necessarily have top-flight gear sets now, especially not full R/M/E weaps. Example, paladin used to be a loved job-both to play and to have in your pt-but abyssea killed that for almost 2 years, so many that were building a relic just stopped since they couldn't get any pld playtime or see themselves EVER getting any so why bother making R/M/E they are just going to shelve?

Hopefully if the new skirmish content can bring viable rewards it can get a couple more jobs off the scrap heap and their strength when built can keep those jobs heading to the scrapheap off. And since the casuals outnumber the elites they are responsible for more of the dollars going into SE's coffers, so SE better make sure there is a path to keep them viable as players. I'm just not sure 3-4 supergrinds is the way to do that.

SE have lost half of the players I know due to the new content. Adding gear that was better than R/M/E was the first straw, but making more or less every piece of new gear come from Delve which requires a mass amount of grinding was the last straw for them.

Personally, I don't see this game lasting long anymore. It's not because XIV is out soon (although, that will become a contributing factor), it's the new expansion. Adoulin has made the need for most Lv.99 content redundant. That wouldn't be so bad if the new content was enjoyable. Delve is a grind, and as much as older content was too, SE have made it so you need a massive amount of it (think gear and Airlixirs). This is why people I know are quitting, the new content is boring, neverending and makes most other content redundant.

As long as there are Plasm or Fracture NM farms going on, SoA is the greatest thing ever. If not? I might as well <Log Off>. Not sure who that agrees or disagrees with, and others' mileage may vary, but that's how I see the state of the game these days.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

As long as there are Plasm or Fracture NM farms going on, SoA is the greatest thing ever. If not? I might as well <Log Off>. Not sure who that agrees or disagrees with, and others' mileage may vary, but that's how I see the state of the game these days.

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Well fracture sucks regardless of whether you're in it, or wish you were in it, but yeah, if it's not going on, just staring at a wasted day.

I see 3 major changes required for the game to not crash

- Give real reasons to do do reives and unlock warps (those reasons should not be ... kill the reive to access this or that delve NM, or obviously it shouldn't be so that you can equip your pimp thurandaut body !). I suggest allowing airlixirs to drop from reives. I know the devs reading this will think "NOOOO!", but that the only way casual players do anything in seekers. Otherwise they will stick to abyssea, salvage and vw trust me. This is coming from someone harcore that can 6-man nearly all delve NMs. This simple fix will allow us experienced players to move quickly around NMs, and will give easy (though still slow) progression to casuals. You need like 600 airixirs to max a piece of gear anyway so you take no risks. Also suggesting to allow the KIs equippement (except weapons) be buyable with a large amount of plasm.

- skirmish : after reading the last post on the subject from the devs, I don't expect anything. They have no clue about it. It took me 15 runs to get a pair of ninzas. I only ever saw one stone +2 drop. The head system is broken UNLIKE what they say. A higher tiered head doesn't allow better stones or if it does it's only a probability which of course doesn't happen. There is an obscur chest level system in the zone that nobody figured out so maye it's time fro them to explain ? Inbefore random.

- RUN and GEO. I'm sure 90% of the people that came back for adoulin did it for the new jobs and you lost them. Your jobs suck, and me as well as others have explained to you many times why before the expansion went live. RUN is inferior to PLD, whatever you do. If not well prove it by tanking any delve NMs with it (and Im not even talking about tojil). GEO only offers something on the mega bosses... and even this is arguable.


Also mage gear sucks compared to melee but it's been so for years so it's ok, people will still dualbox their mages.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

I see 3 major changes required for the game to not crash

- Give real reasons to do do reives and unlock warps (those reasons should not be ... kill the reive to access this or that delve NM, or obviously it shouldn't be so that you can equip your pimp thurandaut body !). I suggest allowing airlixirs to drop from reives. I know the devs reading this will think "NOOOO!", but that the only way casual players do anything in seekers. Otherwise they will stick to abyssea, salvage and vw trust me. This is coming from someone harcore that can 6-man nearly all delve NMs. This simple fix will allow us experienced players to move quickly around NMs, and will give easy (though still slow) progression to casuals. You need like 600 airixirs to max a piece of gear anyway so you take no risks. Also suggesting to allow the KIs equippement (except weapons) be buyable with a large amount of plasm.

- skirmish : after reading the last post on the subject from the devs, I don't expect anything. They have no clue about it. It took me 15 runs to get a pair of ninzas. I only ever saw one stone +2 drop. The head system is broken UNLIKE what they say. A higher tiered head doesn't allow better stones or if it does it's only a probability which of course doesn't happen. There is an obscur chest level system in the zone that nobody figured out so maye it's time fro them to explain ? Inbefore random.

- RUN and GEO. I'm sure 90% of the people that came back for adoulin did it for the new jobs and you lost them. Your jobs suck, and me as well as others have explained to you many times why before the expansion went live. RUN is inferior to PLD, whatever you do. If not well prove it by tanking any delve NMs with it (and Im not even talking about tojil). GEO only offers something on the mega bosses... and even this is arguable.


Also mage gear sucks compared to melee but it's been so for years so it's ok, people will still dualbox their mages.

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- airlixirs from reives will not make reives enticing. The price of airlixirs has been dwindling gradually since they were introduced, and with airlixirs as a possible reward from bonanza, the price is going to dip down even further after the winning numbers are announced. Airlixirs also cannot be used on the real rewards from delve: boss drops, so as more and more players begin defeating bosses, airlixirs will slowly fade into becoming useless.

- Skirmish: Use a larger body, Pchan. It means more objectives and a longer time limit as well as more rewards at the end. With a body IV, we had 7 weapons at the end of a skirmish (a lot were repeats of one another, but that's still a good chunk of weapons). 2 of the people we had along for that run got a +2 stone, though I only got NQ myself. In short, the more enemies you kill, the more loot you get at the end.

- RUN and GEO: Both jobs need a lot of tweaking, yes. You are correct about this. I doubt moaning will make SE fix them any faster though. AF and merits next patch (which is taking FOREVER to roll out), AF2 and AF3 sometime in the unforseen future. SE has several improvements planned, they just haven't been able to implement them quickly enough to satisfy us.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

What I was trying to say is that those people who feel unmotivated should get over themselves. Yes, delve weapons will probably be outclassed someday. Yes, RMEs are already outclassed and will probably be outclassed. Is it a waste of time? Yes, the whole damned game is a waste of time. We came here to waste time.

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If people "get over themselves", they'll probably just quit the game because it doesn't offer what they find fun anymore, which is the point. Isn't that why we're here discussing all this in the first place? I'm glad you find the state of the game to be fun the way it is but the point is just that lots of people don't like the direction it's headed in.

Im Talking only about DELVE, Because DELVe is the Real Problem.


For Enjoy Delve NMS or Fracture Plasma Farms. you need the following requeriments

1.- 1 Support Job. BRD,COR, WHM. Or O Chain. PLD. THen you can join easy all Plasma Farm Shouts.

If you are DD, you will have several problems for find a spot in Shout Groups

99.9% the Delve Shouts look like this

Plasma Farm Do you need it? BRD, COR, WHM AND PLD /Tell.

2.- A Good end game LS.

If you have a good LS then you probably will be enjoying this content.

Because:

1.- Your leader will put the group togheter for you
2.- You can play 90% the time the job you Like to play. Your LS leader will Shout for the brds, cors, plds etc.
3.- Your LS schedule will look like this Monday - Wednesday - Thursday. Delve Plasma Farms x2 or 3 runs each Day, then you will be progressing in the game easy.

If you dont have this requeriments, DELVE is not fun all.

Really I find the PLD thing funny because its a waste, why shout for an Ochain PLD when you can get any person with Twilight to do the same job with 0 chance for failure and no possible need for extra attention, unless they cancel RR, in which case... yeah...

I just wish plasm farming wasn't so boring. Even with a super weapon there to tempt me, I don't really feel like doing it ever.

Voidwatch had a way worse loot system but it was a lot more fun. Killing trash mobs is terrible.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

- airlixirs from reives will not make reives enticing. The price of airlixirs has been dwindling gradually since they were introduced, and with airlixirs as a possible reward from bonanza, the price is going to dip down even further after the winning numbers are announced. Airlixirs also cannot be used on the real rewards from delve: boss drops, so as more and more players begin defeating bosses, airlixirs will slowly fade into becoming useless.

- Skirmish: Use a larger body, Pchan. It means more objectives and a longer time limit as well as more rewards at the end. With a body IV, we had 7 weapons at the end of a skirmish (a lot were repeats of one another, but that's still a good chunk of weapons). 2 of the people we had along for that run got a +2 stone, though I only got NQ myself. In short, the more enemies you kill, the more loot you get at the end.

- RUN and GEO: Both jobs need a lot of tweaking, yes. You are correct about this. I doubt moaning will make SE fix them any faster though. AF and merits next patch (which is taking FOREVER to roll out), AF2 and AF3 sometime in the unforseen future. SE has several improvements planned, they just haven't been able to implement them quickly enough to satismog that fy us.

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Are you seriously explaining that mog bonanza is going to fix airlixir supply for casual players ?

Body tiers do increase the # of wpns, but it's not really the issue anymore because pops are cheap. The main issue was stone +1/2 availability. Besides obsidian fragments are useless..

Finally AF3+2 or merit doesn't change any job from super shit to useful.


IMO SE should just stop considering 18 man content rewards should de facto be superior to 6 man content. It's like they forgot salvage and dynamis have been their only success for the past year(s). If they want to keep normal ppl playing they have to offer equal rewards between skirmish and delve mega boss for instance. If you think about it, getting a boss reward only requires you to lot (and in this case only requires a kill). As such it's much easier to get than nyzul or salvage gear. But it's their logic. I think they didn't fully understand yet WHY so may people have been QQing that their RME has been ruined to trash. The idea that the weapons you've worked "hard" for (aka you invested one or several hundred hours of playtime) can be outdamage by a 40% margin by a single rare/ex drop, even if this drop if hard to get, would bother anyone. Beside those boss seem to be spamable at will, it's not a once day or week thing.

It's like they've never farmed themselves the 50 assaults, the 150 token or ampula for a mythic.

Of course they announced that RME are going to be improved. But as a consequence it also makes farming delve mega boss pointless for the vast majority of hardcore players, let alone casual players. So that's the vicious circle we are in atm. If the mega only had given armors superior to the delve-equippement I think it would have worked better.

I just read through all the possible rewards from mog bonanza and I don't see airlixirs being mentioned anywhere - am I blind?

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

I just read through all the possible rewards from mog bonanza and I don't see airlixirs being mentioned anywhere - am I blind?

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Rank 2 has Kupon De:
"Mog Bonanza Kupon De
This coupon can be redeemed for both one of the items listed below and three Airlixirs +2
- Mikinaak Helm - Mikinaak Breastplate
- Mikinaak Gauntlets - Mikinaak Cuisses
- Mikinaak Greaves - Manibozho Beret
- Manibozho Jerkin - Manibozho Gloves
- Manibozho Brais - Manibozho Boots
- Bokwus Circlet - Bokwus Robe
- Bokwus Gloves - Bokwus Slops
- Bokwus Boots"

Apparently I am blind. ; ;

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

* Skirmish. This one was a giant faceplam. Most retarded pop item distribution ever, with basicallly inexistant stone +2. Good rewards. Then delved poped and the thing became useless in one update. And by useless I mean everyone know a single tier IV/V delve run is giving you access to a weapon much better. The event was probably the most exciting part of the ext. though. Because 6 mannable content was one of the most wanted content from their census. But no, we got delve (most of it is low mannable though but not if you are the everage joe).

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Skirmish weapons are upgradable to +1 versions with a higher IL then delve weapons, although I presume it's based on maximum augment stats only player across all servers will get.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Apparently I am blind. ; ;

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No worries, so is SE. They are still offering the DNC empyrean armor as a reward for PUP.

peoples are bitching/whining for the sake of whining, god low man content is allready in the works with skirmish 2.0 new colo reive items etc. Just stop, the expansion is great so far and just needs some tweeks here and there in colonization. Delve is the best thing FFXI had in a long time (better then abyssea).

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Originally Posted by Damane

Delve is the best thing FFXI had in a long time (better then abyssea).

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Delve and SoA ruined FFXI. It shat in the face of R/M/E holders, lowman/small-group parties, and put an end to meaningful character progression. If Delve is the best thing that happened to FFXI, then you want to see FFXI die.

Abyssea was by far the most interesting, enjoyable, and progressive content FFXI saw.

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Originally Posted by Oakrest

Delve and SoA ruined FFXI. It shat in the face of R/M/E holders, lowman/small-group parties, and put an end to meaningful character progression. If Delve is the best thing that happened to FFXI, then you want to see FFXI die.

Abyssea was by far the most interesting, enjoyable, and progressive content FFXI saw.

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Here here, cheer cheer. The man speaks the truth 100 fold. This is the time when players flooded those zones and the content gave rewards everywhere. You not only got gear upgrades by abbysite, KI for trait like benefits. It was just progression that allowed everyone to work at their own pace with large or small groups. If people need to wait for Seekers 2.0 then it was released to soon.

IMHO, this game is split. Everything Pre-seekers is almost completely different. Sure everything is gutted around the same thing but now items and gear wear your character instead of you wearing it. Without the gear (considering it decides your character level) your progression is voided.

SE -end the storyline so that us Final Fantasy fans can feel that we completed the game and move onto 14. Those who want to stay for endgame can stay and make their characters stronger to fight more difficult reskinned NMs in future updates.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Are you seriously explaining that mog bonanza is going to fix airlixir supply for casual players ?

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No, I'm saying it will cause airlixir price to drop even further than it already has. You were attempting to say that adding airlixirs to reives would make reives more popular. I'm saying you're wrong because airlixirs are cheap, getting cheaper, and have 2 major events in the future which will cause their price to drop even faster: bonanza, and common players finally farming delve bosses and no longer needing airlixirs (plus getting over 30,000 plasm per boss kill). No one would look at airlixirs going for 1k gil and say "Hey, 10% chance of getting one from reives? Yeah, let's go do reives!"

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Body tiers do increase the # of wpns, but it's not really the issue anymore because pops are cheap. The main issue was stone +1/2 availability. Besides obsidian fragments are useless..

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Higher tier bodies increase all the loot you get because loot gets added to personal and group pool after seemingly random kills in skirmish. With tier 1 bodies, yeah, it's going to take a lot of runs before you see many +2 stones. With tier 4 body, 2 of our members got +2 stones. In runs I did with pickup groups (head/body/legs all tier 1), we had at least one member claiming to get a +2 stone in about 50% of our runs, and these were fairly newbish guys (under-leveled ToM weapons and full-time AF3+1 gear), so it was rare for us to reach goal 2.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Apparently I am blind. ; ;

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Don't feel bad, I went to look for about 15min and came back empty handed on info myself, wonder why neither of us thought of using the find feature?

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Originally Posted by Masamune11

SE -end the storyline so that us Final Fantasy fans can feel that we completed the game and move onto 14. Those who want to stay for endgame can stay and make their characters stronger to fight more difficult reskinned NMs in future updates.

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That sounds awful. You want the game to become awful just so you can quit with no regrets. You've already made up your mind that you're gonna stop playing FFXI, and you think they're going to do you this favor which spits in the face of every player who chooses to stay? No, you can't honestly believe that's how it would work.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

That sounds awful. You want the game to become awful just so you can quit with no regrets. You've already made up your mind that you're gonna stop playing FFXI, and you think they're going to do you this favor which spits in the face of every player who chooses to stay? No, you can't honestly believe that's how it would work.

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LOL They won't do it, but not for the reasons you're thinking. They have no problem spitting in people's faces. They just don't have the manpower to make an ending. Besides, how would ending the main story line ruin the game? It's not like any decent story line has been / will be added in recent times anyways.

It sounds awful to finish the story up so people can leave while knowing what happens in Vana's final expansion without waiting 3 years? To me that sounds awesome. The rest of the comment is accurate too, we will end up fighting more reskined NMs, its what we always do anyways, why would it change?

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

It sounds awful to finish the story up so people can leave while knowing what happens in Vana's final expansion without waiting 3 years? To me that sounds awesome. The rest of the comment is accurate too, we will end up fighting more reskined NMs, its what we always do anyways, why would it change?

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The entire storyline completely over... never any new story... yes, that sounds awful.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

The entire storyline completely over... never any new story... yes, that sounds awful.

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That response implies that you believe there will be more, significant story line after SoA...

When, out of curiosity do you think that will be?

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

The entire storyline completely over... never any new story... yes, that sounds awful.

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Miniature stories such as quests or things like VW, truly unimportant and uninspired story, those can continue coming out, the primary story, in this case SoA, yes, needs to be finished and be completely over.

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Originally Posted by CrAZYVIC

Im Talking only about DELVE, Because DELVe is the Real Problem.


For Enjoy Delve NMS or Fracture Plasma Farms. you need the following requeriments

1.- 1 Support Job. BRD,COR, WHM. Or O Chain. PLD. THen you can join easy all Plasma Farm Shouts.

If you are DD, you will have several problems for find a spot in Shout Groups

99.9% the Delve Shouts look like this

Plasma Farm Do you need it? BRD, COR, WHM AND PLD /Tell.

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Just because the maximum limit is 18 doesn't mean it's impossible with less. You can basically go there with just three people and exit with 2k. Examples:

- 3 man: THF DD WHM will do 1.5k~2k plasm and many airlixirs.
- 6 man: ~4k
- 18 man shout group NQ farming: 5-6k ? only been in one or 2.
-18 man NM shout group: 4-5 NMs killed and random NQ mob for at least 10k.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

That response implies that you believe there will be more, significant story line after SoA...

When, out of curiosity do you think that will be?

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Forgive me then, allow me to elaborate. He was saying end the storyline, and you're never allowed to do significant story line ever again because he doesn't want to come back. If I'm still playing the game, I want my rights to significant storyline. Even if it's unlikely to happen, I don't want some a-hole player who wants to leave the game completely dictating what I do and do not get in the future.

I would have the same response to anyone who wants SE to hurry up and finish anything, then never allow SE to ever expand on it again.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

Forgive me then, allow me to elaborate. He was saying end the storyline, and you're never allowed to do significant story line ever again because he doesn't want to come back. If I'm still playing the game, I want my rights to significant storyline. Even if it's unlikely to happen, I don't want some a-hole player who wants to leave the game completely dictating what I do and do not get in the future.

I would have the same response to anyone who wants SE to hurry up and finish anything, then never allow SE to ever expand on it again.

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To be clear though, you realize that there is a high likelihood that you would never see another addition to the "main" story line again anyways right?

Because if this was 5 years ago, I would be right there with you on this, but currently I think we may be down to our last chance to ever see a conclusion. With that in mind, and given the lackluster stories that have come out over the last few years, I would rather just end it. I'd rather see it go out with a bang than dies a slow death with no conclusion. I liked the story in other FF games, but I've never been that interested in stories in MMOs so I'm sure others will disagree with me.

I also have a personal reason. For 8 years now, my girlfriend who plays every other FF game in existence (well most of them anyways) refuses to pick up this game or FFXIV because she says "Video games should have an ending... blah blah blah". It would be bittersweet to say "HA HA! You missed out :P"