Wake up, "Seekers" is failing

[Glamdring]

I disagree, though Pchan makes many valid points.

I don't think Seekers is failing, but I hesitate to say it'll be a wild success, as it stands right now, it's a work in progress.

Delve has replaced voidwatch on our server, maybe we play at different times? I never see VW shouts anymore. Skirmish expansions look promising, but keep in mind I think the target audience for skirmish is the more casual players. I know many people who don't really do delve but do skirmish a lot. I think it's a nice mixture of content levels.

I think delve is/was a great addition, it's leveled the playing field for those who want great weapons but don't want to put the time and effort into getting a R/E/M to level 99, which is orders of magnitude higher than getting a base delve weapon.

It's too early to rule out GEO and RUN as viable jobs, as they don't yet have JSE, or even merits. I'm sure we'll see those jobs fall into place as they mature, especially with yet to be released content.

Really, I think it's just too early to make the call that Seeker's is failing, especially if it's the content most people seem to be enjoying at the moment, but I might look back on this post six months from now and agree with all of Pchan's points, but I hope not as I'm personally enjoying what Seeker's has to offer right now.

I'm with you, especially about skirmish, but I think Matsui already said that was a tier so casual players could get strong enough to tackle the delve content, since many casuals-especially those that don't focus on a single job-don't necessarily have top-flight gear sets now, especially not full R/M/E weaps. Example, paladin used to be a loved job-both to play and to have in your pt-but abyssea killed that for almost 2 years, so many that were building a relic just stopped since they couldn't get any pld playtime or see themselves EVER getting any so why bother making R/M/E they are just going to shelve?

Hopefully if the new skirmish content can bring viable rewards it can get a couple more jobs off the scrap heap and their strength when built can keep those jobs heading to the scrapheap off. And since the casuals outnumber the elites they are responsible for more of the dollars going into SE's coffers, so SE better make sure there is a path to keep them viable as players. I'm just not sure 3-4 supergrinds is the way to do that.

[Sargent]

SE have lost half of the players I know due to the new content. Adding gear that was better than R/M/E was the first straw, but making more or less every piece of new gear come from Delve which requires a mass amount of grinding was the last straw for them.

Personally, I don't see this game lasting long anymore. It's not because XIV is out soon (although, that will become a contributing factor), it's the new expansion. Adoulin has made the need for most Lv.99 content redundant. That wouldn't be so bad if the new content was enjoyable. Delve is a grind, and as much as older content was too, SE have made it so you need a massive amount of it (think gear and Airlixirs). This is why people I know are quitting, the new content is boring, neverending and makes most other content redundant.

[Camiie]

As long as there are Plasm or Fracture NM farms going on, SoA is the greatest thing ever. If not? I might as well <Log Off>. Not sure who that agrees or disagrees with, and others' mileage may vary, but that's how I see the state of the game these days.

[Karah]

As long as there are Plasm or Fracture NM farms going on, SoA is the greatest thing ever. If not? I might as well <Log Off>. Not sure who that agrees or disagrees with, and others' mileage may vary, but that's how I see the state of the game these days.

Well fracture sucks regardless of whether you're in it, or wish you were in it, but yeah, if it's not going on, just staring at a wasted day.

[MarkovChain]

I see 3 major changes required for the game to not crash

- Give real reasons to do do reives and unlock warps (those reasons should not be ... kill the reive to access this or that delve NM, or obviously it shouldn't be so that you can equip your pimp thurandaut body !). I suggest allowing airlixirs to drop from reives. I know the devs reading this will think "NOOOO!", but that the only way casual players do anything in seekers. Otherwise they will stick to abyssea, salvage and vw trust me. This is coming from someone harcore that can 6-man nearly all delve NMs. This simple fix will allow us experienced players to move quickly around NMs, and will give easy (though still slow) progression to casuals. You need like 600 airixirs to max a piece of gear anyway so you take no risks. Also suggesting to allow the KIs equippement (except weapons) be buyable with a large amount of plasm.

- skirmish : after reading the last post on the subject from the devs, I don't expect anything. They have no clue about it. It took me 15 runs to get a pair of ninzas. I only ever saw one stone +2 drop. The head system is broken UNLIKE what they say. A higher tiered head doesn't allow better stones or if it does it's only a probability which of course doesn't happen. There is an obscur chest level system in the zone that nobody figured out so maye it's time fro them to explain ? Inbefore random.

- RUN and GEO. I'm sure 90% of the people that came back for adoulin did it for the new jobs and you lost them. Your jobs suck, and me as well as others have explained to you many times why before the expansion went live. RUN is inferior to PLD, whatever you do. If not well prove it by tanking any delve NMs with it (and Im not even talking about tojil). GEO only offers something on the mega bosses... and even this is arguable.


Also mage gear sucks compared to melee but it's been so for years so it's ok, people will still dualbox their mages.

[Yinnyth]

I see 3 major changes required for the game to not crash

- Give real reasons to do do reives and unlock warps (those reasons should not be ... kill the reive to access this or that delve NM, or obviously it shouldn't be so that you can equip your pimp thurandaut body !). I suggest allowing airlixirs to drop from reives. I know the devs reading this will think "NOOOO!", but that the only way casual players do anything in seekers. Otherwise they will stick to abyssea, salvage and vw trust me. This is coming from someone harcore that can 6-man nearly all delve NMs. This simple fix will allow us experienced players to move quickly around NMs, and will give easy (though still slow) progression to casuals. You need like 600 airixirs to max a piece of gear anyway so you take no risks. Also suggesting to allow the KIs equippement (except weapons) be buyable with a large amount of plasm.

- skirmish : after reading the last post on the subject from the devs, I don't expect anything. They have no clue about it. It took me 15 runs to get a pair of ninzas. I only ever saw one stone +2 drop. The head system is broken UNLIKE what they say. A higher tiered head doesn't allow better stones or if it does it's only a probability which of course doesn't happen. There is an obscur chest level system in the zone that nobody figured out so maye it's time fro them to explain ? Inbefore random.

- RUN and GEO. I'm sure 90% of the people that came back for adoulin did it for the new jobs and you lost them. Your jobs suck, and me as well as others have explained to you many times why before the expansion went live. RUN is inferior to PLD, whatever you do. If not well prove it by tanking any delve NMs with it (and Im not even talking about tojil). GEO only offers something on the mega bosses... and even this is arguable.


Also mage gear sucks compared to melee but it's been so for years so it's ok, people will still dualbox their mages.

- airlixirs from reives will not make reives enticing. The price of airlixirs has been dwindling gradually since they were introduced, and with airlixirs as a possible reward from bonanza, the price is going to dip down even further after the winning numbers are announced. Airlixirs also cannot be used on the real rewards from delve: boss drops, so as more and more players begin defeating bosses, airlixirs will slowly fade into becoming useless.

- Skirmish: Use a larger body, Pchan. It means more objectives and a longer time limit as well as more rewards at the end. With a body IV, we had 7 weapons at the end of a skirmish (a lot were repeats of one another, but that's still a good chunk of weapons). 2 of the people we had along for that run got a +2 stone, though I only got NQ myself. In short, the more enemies you kill, the more loot you get at the end.

- RUN and GEO: Both jobs need a lot of tweaking, yes. You are correct about this. I doubt moaning will make SE fix them any faster though. AF and merits next patch (which is taking FOREVER to roll out), AF2 and AF3 sometime in the unforseen future. SE has several improvements planned, they just haven't been able to implement them quickly enough to satisfy us.

[Kincard]

What I was trying to say is that those people who feel unmotivated should get over themselves. Yes, delve weapons will probably be outclassed someday. Yes, RMEs are already outclassed and will probably be outclassed. Is it a waste of time? Yes, the whole damned game is a waste of time. We came here to waste time.

If people "get over themselves", they'll probably just quit the game because it doesn't offer what they find fun anymore, which is the point. Isn't that why we're here discussing all this in the first place? I'm glad you find the state of the game to be fun the way it is but the point is just that lots of people don't like the direction it's headed in.

[CrAZYVIC]

Im Talking only about DELVE, Because DELVe is the Real Problem.


For Enjoy Delve NMS or Fracture Plasma Farms. you need the following requeriments

1.- 1 Support Job. BRD,COR, WHM. Or O Chain. PLD. THen you can join easy all Plasma Farm Shouts.

If you are DD, you will have several problems for find a spot in Shout Groups

99.9% the Delve Shouts look like this

Plasma Farm Do you need it? BRD, COR, WHM AND PLD /Tell.

2.- A Good end game LS.

If you have a good LS then you probably will be enjoying this content.

Because:

1.- Your leader will put the group togheter for you
2.- You can play 90% the time the job you Like to play. Your LS leader will Shout for the brds, cors, plds etc.
3.- Your LS schedule will look like this Monday - Wednesday - Thursday. Delve Plasma Farms x2 or 3 runs each Day, then you will be progressing in the game easy.

If you dont have this requeriments, DELVE is not fun all.

[Demon6324236]

Really I find the PLD thing funny because its a waste, why shout for an Ochain PLD when you can get any person with Twilight to do the same job with 0 chance for failure and no possible need for extra attention, unless they cancel RR, in which case... yeah...

[Olor]

I just wish plasm farming wasn't so boring. Even with a super weapon there to tempt me, I don't really feel like doing it ever.

Voidwatch had a way worse loot system but it was a lot more fun. Killing trash mobs is terrible.