Up the lvl to enter abyssea to 70 PLEASE

If I want to learn something about a job (like for example how SA/TA work) I just grab a friend or two (or even solo), go out to an area with some EP mobs, and mess around with the mechanics and gear to understand it better. If I need more help, I'll read up on it in a wiki.

I don't see why it is necessary for me to learn these things in an 6-man non-Abyssea experience points party somewhere between level 30 and 70.

To reiterate: there will always be unskilled/gimps whether the level cap for Abyssea is 30 or if its 70+

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

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^Well put.

People seriously need to get over Abyssea. If anything is done to it then it should be something to improve it, not make it worse. Having level 30's in Abyssea does not prevent people from being gimp nor does it really do much otherwise. Leave the level of entry alone. =_+;;

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Originally Posted by geekgirl101

It must've been higher than 30, because I'm pretty sure the mobs I fought that were originally part of the WotG mission chain that led to the entry requirement for the maws were higher than level 30, unless it was that in order to survive those missions you had to be 75 and then could enter Abyssea with any 30+ job. Either that or the guy who told me there was a level 75 entry cap and that you had to be on the cat sith mission to be able to start the missions to enter Aby was talking out of his backside.

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troll poster is a troll

but this is a troll thread, so...

(btw, what's a western american?)

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Originally Posted by Zerich

troll poster is a troll

but this is a troll thread, so...

(btw, what's a western american?)

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Someone from California? Who knows.


I Vote that they create a script that automatically deletes any thread / post relating to Abyssea Level caps.

There is a huge problem with this line of thinking anyways:

Anyone who thinks that you need to spend large amounts of time leveling a job in order to get your skills up, or learn to play your job, is clearly someone who doesn't level their skills (if they did, they would know how easy it is) and / or has a learning disability (you can learn almost everything from wikis) that keeps them from quickly grasping game mechanics. Which means that they are probably someone who you would not want to spend large amounts of time in a six man party with (or any other event for that matter). The irony being that the people who want to get rid of abyssea xp are most likely the people who made six man parties suck so bad that most people never want to do them again.

OP is his own worst enemy.

Pandora's Box....all that needs to be said about it. And if you don't understand that.../facepalm.

As for the whole bit about WotG requirements for abyssea access....that wasn't any gameplay requirement, it was an INSTALLATION requirement. You had to have the expansion installed so the game could recycle it's assets. Sometimes I wonder if people even RTFM, or at least the requirements notice (like all those that claim their fairly currnt PC can't run FFXI).

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

I'm still waiting for the GOD adherents to explain how this was more preferable to current party system.

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I don't think anybody is asking for the lower xp rates or long invite rates (which I never experienced, even though blu was my first 75). What I liked was the sense of working together as a group to take down a mob. Now, it feels like a bunch of people soloing who just happen to be in the same party. You used to be expected to be a contributing member to the success, and if you were discovered to be AFK for too long, you got the boot.

Just for a minute forget about the amount of xp you got then or now. Do you (generic you, not directed at Trisscar specifically) think one method was more fun than the other?

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btw, what's a western american?

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Someone who lives in PST as opposed to someone who lives in EST.

btw why do people say that these posts are "troll posts"? Isn't is obvious that a fair number of people prefer the old system because it made them feel useful and that this sitting in Aby all day having someone kill mobs for you isn't "playing the game"? When my husband started playing again last year he cancelled his account because he said and I quote "it isn't a game anymore, I don't get to play my role because the mobs die before I can attack, where is the fun in having someone else level for you?" I would really like the old system back, but I'd like it to have some major changes to it so it's not a horrendous grind the higher the level you go and doesn't take all day to find people to team up with.

I fully support this so long as they come up with a fun and interesting way to level up to 70. Too many of the cool exp options are weighted towards the later levels. FoV and GoV are a basic idea and it can last a little way, but its still not interesting, especially when you have 20 jobs to get to level 99.

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I would really like the old system back, but I'd like it to have some major changes to it so it's not a horrendous grind the higher the level you go and doesn't take all day to find people to team up with.

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The last thing I would like to have is the old system back, NO MORE - GOOD RIDDANCE, I am sorry but grinding for level is NOT FUN or it was ever fun to begin with. I want to do other things, exploring, crafting, missions, bcnms, all the various end game activities, but please no more of these so called level grinding to 99. If you do not know how to play your jobs, then its your own fault for not making an effort to research read and practice. Stop blaming others for leeching etc... This is just a video game, this is not a brain surgery, should not take that long to understand the gameplay mechanic. If you need time to practice, there are various activities that let you just do that. So let's all take instant level to 99 and have fun immediately, not two years later after you created your character.

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btw why do people say that these posts are "troll posts"? Isn't is obvious that a fair number of people prefer the old system because it made them feel useful and that this sitting in Aby all day having someone kill mobs for you isn't "playing the game"? When my husband started playing again last year he cancelled his account because he said and I quote "it isn't a game anymore, I don't get to play my role because the mobs die before I can attack, where is the fun in having someone else level for you?" I would really like the old system back, but I'd like it to have some major changes to it so it's not a horrendous grind the higher the level you go and doesn't take all day to find people to team up with.

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I have no issues whatsoever with people wanting to EXP the old way. I know plenty of people who do just that, because they dislike Abyssea for it. I also don't have a problem with people asking for old EXP back, even though that is objectively pointless, because old EXP is not gone at all. The only thing I have a problem with is stating that old EXP was somehow building better players and the new way to EXP is a mass-production of noobs. These statements are stupid, and people making those statements deserve to be called out on it.

I fully acknowledge that Abyssea EXP is less "playing" the game than other EXP and more like letting other people play for you. And that is perfectly fine with me. EXP is the one aspect of FFXI that I have always hated. If I can get someone else to do it for me, I'll gladly do it, I'll even pay them to, which I did more than once. I simply don't think that all parts of the game are worth playing, and EXP is one of those parts.

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Yes, it very much was the case. It was a very rare party you could join and gain more than a couple levels in it, in more than a few you could sometimes walk away with a lower level than what you went in with. This, of course, was after flagging/building a party for hours on.

And that was only if you were on one of maybe five jobs.

I'm still waiting for the GOD adherents to explain how this was more preferable to current party system.

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it was perfered because it taught you how to play ur class in line with other jobs.. you never blindely zerged as you do now. ppl talked and gave tips to each other on how to better play.

You guys in the wiki generation are lucky... we didn't have a 1 stop shop online to learn our classes we had to do trial and error. I perfer it because u can infact weed out the "gimps" and the "leeches" if u was either or both everyone knew it. PPl made u work for ur stuff... now i see ppl leech content cuz of the proc system...

@ acron tell tgat to my book burn party... we had a smn using fire spirit... they was pulling bendersnatches nearling wiping the party every 4th pull.

how is THAT not mass producing noobs... i left after I got 1 lvl...

" I fully acknowledge that Abyssea EXP is less "playing" the game than other EXP and more like letting other people play for you. And that is perfectly fine with me. EXP is the one aspect of FFXI that I have always hated. If I can get someone else to do it for me, I'll gladly do it, I'll even pay them to, which I did more than once. I simply don't think that all parts of the game are worth playing, and EXP is one of those parts."

this would be noob talk back then and showed how u was a lazy person... why would ppl even want you in doing end game if "you don't feel like doing the work" exp gain is part of the rpg... ever since D&D... are you gonna play that and tell ur DM that u gonna leech... u'd be kicked out...

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@ acron tell tgat to my book burn party... we had a smn using fire spirit... they was pulling bendersnatches nearling wiping the party every 4th pull.

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What's wrong with Fire Spirits? Did it occur to you to tell them not to pull Bandersnatchers? Maybe he didn't know, if no one told him? And if he did know and still did it he's simply an idiot, and no amount of old school EXP will help with that affliction. In a party three years ago he may have pulled Valkurm Emperor with a confused look on his face "where the hell is everyone running".

For every example of a new era noob I can show you two old school noobs. One example or two or three or fifty examples change nothing. There's no discussion here. Abyssea doesn't magically reduce your IQ somehow and make you stupid. If you're stupid, you'll be stupid no matter how you EXP. If you're willing to learn your job you'll do it regardless of how you EXP. The only reason I can imagine there being more high level noobs now is that people who were bad before were simply not allowed in parties and were never able to reach 75 and quit out of boredom.

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" I fully acknowledge that Abyssea EXP is less "playing" the game than other EXP and more like letting other people play for you. And that is perfectly fine with me. EXP is the one aspect of FFXI that I have always hated. If I can get someone else to do it for me, I'll gladly do it, I'll even pay them to, which I did more than once. I simply don't think that all parts of the game are worth playing, and EXP is one of those parts."

this would be noob talk back then and showed how u was a lazy person...

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I am a lazy person, extremely lazy. But laziness has nothing to do with noobs.

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why would ppl even want you in doing end game if "you don't feel like doing the work"

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Because I'm a really good player and I can do my job. And I never let other people down, I don't quit after I get what I want if I don't feel I didn't repay my debt to the people who helped me get it.

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exp gain is part of the rpg... ever since D&D... are you gonna play that and tell ur DM that u gonna leech... u'd be kicked out...

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I couldn't care less about D&D or what you consider RPG. I don't play FFXI because it's an RPG, I play it because there's things about it that I enjoy. EXP isn't one of those things, so why should I play it? EXP gives me nothing. No fun and no feeling of accomplishment. And it doesn't make me a better player.

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@ acron tell tgat to my book burn party... we had a smn using fire spirit... they was pulling bendersnatches nearling wiping the party every 4th pull.

how is THAT not mass producing noobs... i left after I got 1 lvl...

" I fully acknowledge that Abyssea EXP is less "playing" the game than other EXP and more like letting other people play for you. And that is perfectly fine with me. EXP is the one aspect of FFXI that I have always hated. If I can get someone else to do it for me, I'll gladly do it, I'll even pay them to, which I did more than once. I simply don't think that all parts of the game are worth playing, and EXP is one of those parts."

this would be noob talk back then and showed how u was a lazy person... why would ppl even want you in doing end game if "you don't feel like doing the work" exp gain is part of the rpg... ever since D&D... are you gonna play that and tell ur DM that u gonna leech... u'd be kicked out...

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This is really funny, because everything that you say is lazy, inefficient, noob-talk for current-day ffxi. In-fact, you are living proof that you can level up the old way and still be a terrible player.

And what the hell is it with you referencing other rpgs to try and get your p.o.v. across?

D&D =/= FFXI
FFXIV =/= FFXI

The game has evolved, you haven't. Two words: Haste-gear.

While I agree that Abyssea needs a lvl 70 level requirement, it should have been done from the start. Changing it now is pointless. The damage has been done, and it would be unfair for new players (or anyone that didn't level all their jobs to 99) to suddenly increase it. The market for leveling gear and items was annihilated, save a few that are usefull at any level.

What people really don't realize is if they raise it now. People will make cleaves in Gusgen and bring back Astral Flow and RMT will take up that; and we'll fuel the RMT market and get levels that way.

People who propose these changes are just lazy and want everything handed to them. They don't want to have to put forth any effort to get good players to choose from. Maybe they'd like to be able to go to their moogle and have him teleport good players to their mog house for free? Just push a button and have an uber WHM appear out of nowhere? Where's the challenge in that?

Sarcasm aside, while you're asking for people to be forced to level in a way that you deem appropriate, what are YOU doing to help people to rise to YOUR standard in the meantime? Are you building skill up alliances? When you see people who are in sub-par gear do you offer to help them improve? Or do you just think lolGIMP and go on to make posts like this?

Last 9 thread's like this fail, hmmmmm

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10th times the charm

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Last 9 thread's like this fail, hmmmmm

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10th times the charm

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It appears not.

It's not rocket science to learn how to play your job efficiently, even with GoV book burns and aby burns. There's always going to be bad players in any mmo you play, no matter how they gain their xp. Even with the old-school way, there's always been bads in the game. If anything, the new ffxi just makes them stand out more since they can level fast and get into end-game quicker. There's really no point to change the lvl requirements of abyssea now sense it's become the new standard, and won't make anyone better at their jobs. Bads will always be bad. Stop beating this dead horse of a topic already, there's no reason to do anything about it.

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Originally Posted by jeopardy

if anything we should be able to see party members stats, when looking at there bazzar/bio, to rid the game of gimps. if you book burn or cleave a job you should be made to suffer the long hours of skilling

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Yes SE, please let us get rid of this one burn method so we can all go to GoV or even back to smn burn instead.

dont think most people dont understand. we just want the challenge like the way it was back in the old school pt. we not talking about going back too 150-200 exp a kill on IT mobs. but the kinda fun we had in the old days of exping.

now n days it all about leeching/keying, afking, you tell me what kinda of challenge is that? this is mainly happening in abyssea cause anyone can enter at 30+. even in GOV and FoV people just leeching there, also spaming easy prey mobs is really no challenge,
when i started a pt with 6 members. (took a long time getting members cause abyssea leech/key only people) at 34+ we was getting like 600+ a kill chains. oh + pages with 2 healer 4 DD, could make any set up work if try. anyways it was FUN & challenging.

most of the people that dont want it at 70+ abyssea only because they lazy and wanna leech to 99. that like if i was to buy FF 13 and put a game shark code right at the start for max stat etc, would be a boring game.lol

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dont think most people dont understand. we just want the challenge like the way it was back in the old school pt. we not talking about going back too 150-200 exp a kill on IT mobs. but the kinda fun we had in the old days of exping.

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You obviously don't know what a challange is then. This was pointless grind that was, all be it accidently, gotten rid of. Having to take 1 month to a year to level a job dose not add difficulty to a game, it's nothing more then a time sink in order to gain access to the game's other time sinks. Leveling a job in is no way, shape or form a challange.

Edit: FFXIII was a boring game and deserves to be hacked. Linier leveling is a stupid and lazy was to artificialy inflate the difficulty from people who can't figure out how to construct a propor game. If I want to be lvl50 right after the theater ship crashes in FFIX, I can. If I want to to get Ridia Meteo before I even get Tellah, I can. If I want to be lvl99 5-7 hours after I hit 30, I can. t's your choise weither you want ot grind of not. You're free to go solo that job to 99.

Things are only a challenge when they're new. It doesn't take long for people to figure out the easiest way to do something and stick to that method until an even easier one is discovered. Endgame and exp are no different in that regards.
The option of old school PTs never went away either. If you want to fight IT++'s in 6 man pts all you need to do is find 5 like minded people on your server.

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Things are only a challenge when they're new. It doesn't take long for people to figure out the easiest way to do something and stick to that method until an even easier one is discovered. Endgame and exp are no different in that regards.
The option of old school PTs never went away either. If you want to fight IT++'s in 6 man pts all you need to do is find 5 like minded people on your server.

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some people just really want to smack crabs for hours on end...let them.

It is easy make it lvl 30 to enter, but to be fair lvl 61 to exp.

Did I miss something? How many of these threads do we need to see?

Last I've seen, those colibris/imps camp are all wide open. For those ppl who love and desired to do the old style xp party, here's your chance. No more worry that when you get to camp, there would be 5 other groups there all fighting for the repops. Have fun and enjoy yourselves while you're at it.

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Originally Posted by nyheen

dont think most people dont understand. we just want the challenge like the way it was back in the old school pt. we not talking about going back too 150-200 exp a kill on IT mobs. but the kinda fun we had in the old days of exping.

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You want challenge? Go do Legion!! Please don't be lazy and do a lot of legion and all these so called neo anything without hacking. That should give you plenty of challenge, while you are at it try to get your shiny weapon and armors, should be challenge enough for you. Leveling to 99 should not be a challenge or grind. The game has evolved since 2010, get with the program dude, or find those delusional people who still yearn for the good old days and make your own old school anything with them. I am sure you can find 5 other like minded persons for that. OPTIONS are the new deal now, fast, convenience and fun. Now that the unmentionable is properly resigned, hopefully the future will be bright and a whole lot more fun activities similar to abyssea crack.

I swear people asking for Abyssea level caps never did anything in the game except xp parties. SE announced before Abyssea was released that the focus of the game was going to switch to end-game events. They followed up on this well. XP became an obstacle to get to the actual game, not the game itself. Leveling was made appropriately easier so that people could actually play new content using a variety of jobs that most people previously never experienced a fifth of.

The mistake people are making is thinking only about old xp parties as "the game" and assuming when that changed that nothing was created to provide that sense of teamwork and participation. I won't go as far as saying they're challenging, but Abyssea empyrean gear NMs and Voidwatch NMs provide as much potential to learn a job, work as a team and participate as beating on plants and crabs ever did. What's better, they also let you earn gil and gear at the same time you're partying, and you can fight monsters that actually look like monsters instead of household pets.

Personally I think of my time in actual events like Neo-Nyzule, Voidwatch, ADL, Sea, and Abyssea item farming as a vacation from real life. When I go on vacation I take a plane or car to get there, then enjoy the hell out of the event by participating in as much as I can when I'm there. Insisting people xp the old way is like telling people they need to walk to Disneyworld. Riding in a plane isn't the lazy man's way to get to his vacation - it's the affluent smart man's way.

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You want challenge? Go do Legion!! Please don't be lazy and do a lot of legion and all these so called neo anything without hacking. That should give you plenty of challenge, while you are at it try to get your shiny weapon and armors, should be challenge enough for you. Leveling to 99 should not be a challenge or grind. The game has evolved since 2010, get with the program dude, or find those delusional people who still yearn for the good old days and make your own old school anything with them. I am sure you can find 5 other like minded persons for that. OPTIONS are the new deal now, fast, convenience and fun. Now that the unmentionable is properly resigned, hopefully the future will be bright and a whole lot more fun activities similar to abyssea crack.

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talking about low/mid lvl. all of that stuff is endgame but ya they do give a great challenge if people would stop cheating on it

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talking about low/mid lvl. all of that stuff is endgame but ya they do give a great challenge if people would stop cheating on it

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Game has changed, there is no longer low and mid level challenge unless you want to do bcnm battle or just level synch and do FoV old school party (can also do GoV old school party). There is also moblin maze maker if you want another variety of fun with level synch or assault with a level synch. The bottom line is this, people value their time, they want to get rewarded with something they can use, since low level and mid level barely exits - interests are almost non existent to do those things because the gears are outdated very quickly. Bcnms and Assaults are still valid since they have other drops/incentive that are valid for end game (ninja scroll, assault point for salvage). This upcoming update with the Heroines BCNM should give you some fun to do.

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dont think most people dont understand. we just want the challenge like the way it was back in the old school pt. we not talking about going back too 150-200 exp a kill on IT mobs. but the kinda fun we had in the old days of exping.

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The only challenges I remember from those days were ones imposed on me by really horrible people I was stuck in a party with.

The White Mage who preferred to Silence bats rather than cast spells such as Cure III and Haste and Dia II. Actually, I met two of these within a week. My friend suggested they were each-others' Adventuring Fellows and thus blameless for their bad AI.

Legions of people who were seemingly allergic to all food items. A gazillion dumb hippies who think they have Celiac Disease existed in Vana'diel before the modern world, apparently.

A thousand healers who wandered away from their computers for a thousand years each. This a hyperbole, obviously, but I like that it sounds more like an ancient proverb this way.

The Red Mage who cast En-Aero and engaged a Puk. After an hour, someone else finally noticed this and found it less amusing than myself. Several strangely racist insults later, he began casting the en-spell for the current Vana'diel day instead. For the first time in my life, I read the label on a bottle of cologne to find out if drinking it would blind me.

Unfortunately, it did not. I met the thousand-and-first wandering healer the next day. Damn my eyes.

I'll admit that sometimes the parties with no one like the individuals mentioned above could be fun if somebody I liked to talk to was around, but usually, it just felt efficient because nobody was doing anything stupid. A lot like working on an assembly line in a solid workplace.

There's nothing wrong with liking that kind of thing, but it's not right to equate being present at a keyboard to poke at some buttons now and again with challenge. Not that there are many challenging activities in Final Fantasy XI, but fighting your ten-thousandth bat or crab is really the most mindless thing possible.

Coincidentally, meeting people like that is the main reason I am very happy it is possible to streamline leveling up now.

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If I want to learn something about a job (like for example how SA/TA work) I just grab a friend or two (or even solo), go out to an area with some EP mobs, and mess around with the mechanics and gear to understand it better. If I need more help, I'll read up on it in a wiki.

I don't see why it is necessary for me to learn these things in an 6-man non-Abyssea experience points party somewhere between level 30 and 70.

To reiterate: there will always be unskilled/gimps whether the level cap for Abyssea is 30 or if its 70+

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this game was out b4 wiki... so we old school vets had to learn the hard way. Now a days its pretty much ever question is met with "look up wiki". kinda shitty tbh but o well.

also personal experience in some cases beats reading and mimicing...

much like ppl coulda figured out the /fume trick just by messing around....

now a days ppl just read wiki vs experiment.

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some people just really want to smack crabs for hours on end...let them.

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you do realise this opinion is contradictory cuz all ppl do is kill (or leech) skeleton for hours on end. then kill crawlers and bees for hours on end, then skill worms/bluffolo/dolls hours on end.

6man you killed worms mandies crabs lizards fish giga crawlers, crawler who spit fire, imps, flies.

you infactr barely fought crabs unless u was ina skill up party...

all ppl do is exp in 2 caves and 1 of 3 aby zones. tbh book burning dull compared to 6 man where every 10 lvls you was somplace different.

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you do realise this opinion is contradictory cuz all ppl do is kill (or leech) skeleton for hours on end. then kill crawlers and bees for hours on end, then skill worms/bluffolo/dolls hours on end.

6man you killed worms mandies crabs lizards fish giga crawlers, crawler who spit fire, imps, flies.

you infactr barely fought crabs unless u was ina skill up party...

all ppl do is exp in 2 caves and 1 of 3 aby zones. tbh book burning dull compared to 6 man where every 10 lvls you was somplace different.

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Are you joking? You encountered Dunes Crabs, Qufim Crabs, Kuftal, Boyahda and probably more than that.

I just can't recall them off the top of my head, and since old-school leveling took forever, that was weeks to a month or so for each stage of ten levels in each of those zones. Screw you, it was only crabs, birds and mandies for levels until imps.

Do you really think upping the limit will keep leeches out of Abyssea? AHAHAH! Please. At least keyers at level 30 help contribute to the party.

Protip: unless you're maxed or almost maxed on your gear, atmas, skills, and merits, you're a leech.

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this game was out b4 wiki... so we old school vets had to learn the hard way. Now a days its pretty much ever question is met with "look up wiki". kinda shitty tbh but o well.

also personal experience in some cases beats reading and mimicing...

much like ppl coulda figured out the /fume trick just by messing around....

now a days ppl just read wiki vs experiment.

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How do you make such broad sweeping generalizations with zero support?

Also, how does "testing job abilities/weaponskills out for oneself" not equate to "personal experience"?

I understand how people learned jobs back in the "old school" because I did it to. However the game has changed. Why must someone only learn how to play their job the "old school" way? Why is that better than researching it on their own? looking it up on wiki? asking a friend/mentor via chat? etc. There is now more information available for people to learn how to play a job effectively and this is a good thing rather than an inconvenience.

This thread is effing retarded just like every other thread on the subject. Raising the level cap for Abyssea will do absolutely nothing. People will still find a way to get fast exp with minimal effort (such as book-burning, astral flows, whatever).

To the OP and everyone that agrees with him: Stop force-feeding people the bullsh*t that all players must level in 6-man experience points parties like was done in "old school FFXI" in order to learn how to play their job. It a f*cking absurd argument.

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we old school vets had to learn the hard way.

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Rosina, you are the poster child of what not to do in this game.

I cannot believe you keep using the "we vets" shit in here. You are the perfect example of someone that has no clue even though they leveled the old way. I would really hate to see the kind of "advice" you give people.

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this game was out b4 wiki... so we old school vets had to learn the hard way. Now a days its pretty much ever question is met with "look up wiki". kinda shitty tbh but o well.

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you haven't learned anything, if you had, you'd swap gear.