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    Player Arcon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by geekgirl101 View Post
    btw why do people say that these posts are "troll posts"? Isn't is obvious that a fair number of people prefer the old system because it made them feel useful and that this sitting in Aby all day having someone kill mobs for you isn't "playing the game"? When my husband started playing again last year he cancelled his account because he said and I quote "it isn't a game anymore, I don't get to play my role because the mobs die before I can attack, where is the fun in having someone else level for you?" I would really like the old system back, but I'd like it to have some major changes to it so it's not a horrendous grind the higher the level you go and doesn't take all day to find people to team up with.
    I have no issues whatsoever with people wanting to EXP the old way. I know plenty of people who do just that, because they dislike Abyssea for it. I also don't have a problem with people asking for old EXP back, even though that is objectively pointless, because old EXP is not gone at all. The only thing I have a problem with is stating that old EXP was somehow building better players and the new way to EXP is a mass-production of noobs. These statements are stupid, and people making those statements deserve to be called out on it.

    I fully acknowledge that Abyssea EXP is less "playing" the game than other EXP and more like letting other people play for you. And that is perfectly fine with me. EXP is the one aspect of FFXI that I have always hated. If I can get someone else to do it for me, I'll gladly do it, I'll even pay them to, which I did more than once. I simply don't think that all parts of the game are worth playing, and EXP is one of those parts.
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  2. #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trisscar View Post
    Yes, it very much was the case. It was a very rare party you could join and gain more than a couple levels in it, in more than a few you could sometimes walk away with a lower level than what you went in with. This, of course, was after flagging/building a party for hours on.

    And that was only if you were on one of maybe five jobs.

    I'm still waiting for the GOD adherents to explain how this was more preferable to current party system.
    it was perfered because it taught you how to play ur class in line with other jobs.. you never blindely zerged as you do now. ppl talked and gave tips to each other on how to better play.

    You guys in the wiki generation are lucky... we didn't have a 1 stop shop online to learn our classes we had to do trial and error. I perfer it because u can infact weed out the "gimps" and the "leeches" if u was either or both everyone knew it. PPl made u work for ur stuff... now i see ppl leech content cuz of the proc system...
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    @ acron tell tgat to my book burn party... we had a smn using fire spirit... they was pulling bendersnatches nearling wiping the party every 4th pull.

    how is THAT not mass producing noobs... i left after I got 1 lvl...

    " I fully acknowledge that Abyssea EXP is less "playing" the game than other EXP and more like letting other people play for you. And that is perfectly fine with me. EXP is the one aspect of FFXI that I have always hated. If I can get someone else to do it for me, I'll gladly do it, I'll even pay them to, which I did more than once. I simply don't think that all parts of the game are worth playing, and EXP is one of those parts."

    this would be noob talk back then and showed how u was a lazy person... why would ppl even want you in doing end game if "you don't feel like doing the work" exp gain is part of the rpg... ever since D&D... are you gonna play that and tell ur DM that u gonna leech... u'd be kicked out...
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    Last edited by Rosina; 07-18-2012 at 05:00 PM.

  4. #54
    Player Arcon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosina View Post
    @ acron tell tgat to my book burn party... we had a smn using fire spirit... they was pulling bendersnatches nearling wiping the party every 4th pull.
    What's wrong with Fire Spirits? Did it occur to you to tell them not to pull Bandersnatchers? Maybe he didn't know, if no one told him? And if he did know and still did it he's simply an idiot, and no amount of old school EXP will help with that affliction. In a party three years ago he may have pulled Valkurm Emperor with a confused look on his face "where the hell is everyone running".

    For every example of a new era noob I can show you two old school noobs. One example or two or three or fifty examples change nothing. There's no discussion here. Abyssea doesn't magically reduce your IQ somehow and make you stupid. If you're stupid, you'll be stupid no matter how you EXP. If you're willing to learn your job you'll do it regardless of how you EXP. The only reason I can imagine there being more high level noobs now is that people who were bad before were simply not allowed in parties and were never able to reach 75 and quit out of boredom.

    Edit to reply to your edit:
    Quote Originally Posted by Rosina View Post
    " I fully acknowledge that Abyssea EXP is less "playing" the game than other EXP and more like letting other people play for you. And that is perfectly fine with me. EXP is the one aspect of FFXI that I have always hated. If I can get someone else to do it for me, I'll gladly do it, I'll even pay them to, which I did more than once. I simply don't think that all parts of the game are worth playing, and EXP is one of those parts."

    this would be noob talk back then and showed how u was a lazy person...
    I am a lazy person, extremely lazy. But laziness has nothing to do with noobs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosina View Post
    why would ppl even want you in doing end game if "you don't feel like doing the work"
    Because I'm a really good player and I can do my job. And I never let other people down, I don't quit after I get what I want if I don't feel I didn't repay my debt to the people who helped me get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosina View Post
    exp gain is part of the rpg... ever since D&D... are you gonna play that and tell ur DM that u gonna leech... u'd be kicked out...
    I couldn't care less about D&D or what you consider RPG. I don't play FFXI because it's an RPG, I play it because there's things about it that I enjoy. EXP isn't one of those things, so why should I play it? EXP gives me nothing. No fun and no feeling of accomplishment. And it doesn't make me a better player.
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    Last edited by Arcon; 07-18-2012 at 05:10 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosina View Post
    @ acron tell tgat to my book burn party... we had a smn using fire spirit... they was pulling bendersnatches nearling wiping the party every 4th pull.

    how is THAT not mass producing noobs... i left after I got 1 lvl...

    " I fully acknowledge that Abyssea EXP is less "playing" the game than other EXP and more like letting other people play for you. And that is perfectly fine with me. EXP is the one aspect of FFXI that I have always hated. If I can get someone else to do it for me, I'll gladly do it, I'll even pay them to, which I did more than once. I simply don't think that all parts of the game are worth playing, and EXP is one of those parts."

    this would be noob talk back then and showed how u was a lazy person... why would ppl even want you in doing end game if "you don't feel like doing the work" exp gain is part of the rpg... ever since D&D... are you gonna play that and tell ur DM that u gonna leech... u'd be kicked out...
    This is really funny, because everything that you say is lazy, inefficient, noob-talk for current-day ffxi. In-fact, you are living proof that you can level up the old way and still be a terrible player.

    And what the hell is it with you referencing other rpgs to try and get your p.o.v. across?

    D&D =/= FFXI
    FFXIV =/= FFXI

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    While I agree that Abyssea needs a lvl 70 level requirement, it should have been done from the start. Changing it now is pointless. The damage has been done, and it would be unfair for new players (or anyone that didn't level all their jobs to 99) to suddenly increase it. The market for leveling gear and items was annihilated, save a few that are usefull at any level.
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    What people really don't realize is if they raise it now. People will make cleaves in Gusgen and bring back Astral Flow and RMT will take up that; and we'll fuel the RMT market and get levels that way.
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    People who propose these changes are just lazy and want everything handed to them. They don't want to have to put forth any effort to get good players to choose from. Maybe they'd like to be able to go to their moogle and have him teleport good players to their mog house for free? Just push a button and have an uber WHM appear out of nowhere? Where's the challenge in that?

    Sarcasm aside, while you're asking for people to be forced to level in a way that you deem appropriate, what are YOU doing to help people to rise to YOUR standard in the meantime? Are you building skill up alliances? When you see people who are in sub-par gear do you offer to help them improve? Or do you just think lolGIMP and go on to make posts like this?
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    Last 9 thread's like this fail, hmmmmm



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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrantsyn View Post
    Last 9 thread's like this fail, hmmmmm



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    It appears not.
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