NEO Nyzul 2.0

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

Personally, all they have to do is to increase time limit of Neo Nyzul to 60 minutes per run.

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This would solve the problem, if you think the problem is that 2 full perle bsts cannot duo neo nyzul to floor 100, every time they try. It's suppose to be hard, it's suppose to take more than 15 tags, get over it.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

I suppose this is where BG gimps show us a video of their awesome-cheatless skills. But obviously they won't.

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No, this is just the part where I laugh at you for being 0/15 on neo nyzul gear while I have all of it.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

The fact that you insist on killing speed in your argument against my statement proves my point. It's pretty obious that the killing speed is not what matters.

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Do you fight stuff ever in the event? If so, kill speed matters. Everything you can do to decrease time spent on floors helps. The more floors you can clear, the less luck you require with floor jumps to hit 100, how do you not understand this?

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Hey everyone,

The new Nyzul was not designed in such a way that it is impossible to clear.

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Just HIGHLY unlikely for a VAST majority of the players to even consider being able to clear, even with the best gear in the game that doesn't come from Nyzul. Don't act like having players bang their head against the proverbial wall and coming away with nothing but a headache but being so addicted that they keep coming back anyway wasn't the intent. If we go in and fail over and over and over again through no fault of our own the event is working as intended. We're supposed to get just enough success or just enough hope to make us think we can do it and that's it.

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We understand that it is a challenge to reach and complete floor 100, but please keep in mind that successful runs offers guaranteed rewards.

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You guys understand nothing. You don't understand the state of the community, human nature, the wants/needs of your current paying customers, etc. Instead of shaping events around what your playerbase is like, you want the playerbase to shape itself to fit your vision.

In the past that worked out for you all because we were just too ignorant and stupid to know any better. We've learned and grown and know better now. You guys have not. You're still trapped in the past decade of MMOs as far as endgame is concerned. The saddest part is there were times you all actually were smarter about endgame, and I don't just mean Abyssea. All that's been thrown to the side to support the Grand Vision of The Great Leader. I guess his enjoyment is more important than ours.

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In addition, the development team was able to introduce rewards with some highly beneficial stats due to the level of difficulty associated with getting to and conquering floor 100.

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And those items are worthless if there's no reasonable way to obtain them. If you can reach my house on top of Mount Everest then everything you've ever wanted is yours! I've literally parked heaven on the highest peak! You have 30 minutes to reach the top! GO!

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That said, there aren't any plans to simplify the journey up to the top

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Of course there aren't. I guess in Japan it's OK to be a failure as long as you don't admit failure. That's good to know.

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Originally Posted by Sakima

To say anyone that has 3 or more pieces of hq gear is cheating is completely ignorant. It is possible to beat ny isle without any forms of cheating just do no expect to accomplish it on a daily basis .

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This my friend is why i said what i said, that having more than two or three peices warrants the suspect cheater gaze. Of course there may be one or two statics that have 5/5 gear that did not cheat, there's also people who fall 30,000feet and live. It's just that, one of a million people will not die falling out of a plane. Please, don't argue about every little detail when I'm just trying to point out the facts that most people 5/5 cheated and we all know it. Yes, ther's people with 5/5 that didnt cheat, but to have 15/15 already really is "things that make you go hmmmm". Especially, as you said, it's rare for the luck combo to come into play so the odds of being 15/15 so fast are like winning the lottery or falling out a plane and living.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Without seeing through walls ? Without changing the lamps names ?



This event had been designed by someone that didn't think more like 1 minute. I mean serisouly did they never heard of the trick to see through wall and dat mods ?

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dude if we cheated i wouldnt be on here saying we got to 90+, I'd be in town wearing my 100 floor gear and keeping my mouth shut.

I prefer the content not be nerfed, I just wish SE did more about cheating, why can't they just put a program in NIUR that always monitors players use of 3rd party tools and auto-temp bans players if they are using any 3rd party tools for NIUR. It's that simple, you know the area that needs monitoring, get it done. The content is alot of luck based but it's not impossible, just really hard and requires great team work and luck. Except the luck part, I really like the challenege and I don't want SE to spoon feed me more gear were I can AFK during an event and still come back to a win.

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Originally Posted by Sakima

P.S. If you read this Okipuit anyway you could suggest to the devs if the Nyzul lobby could be worked out to be like the Legion lobby so the event timer wont start till we are warped to floor 1? I'm sure i am not the only one wanting this!

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This right here, this is the best thing i've yet to hear about NIUR. I second, third, and fourth this, this wouldn't be game breaking for the DEV to perform and in my opinion is absolutely needed.

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Originally Posted by Concerned4FFxi

Of course there may be one or two statics that have 5/5 gear that did not cheat, there's also people who fall 30,000feet and live. It's just that, one of a million people will not die falling out of a plane. Please, don't argue about every little detail when I'm just trying to point out the facts that most people 5/5 cheated and we all know it. Yes, ther's people with 5/5 that didnt cheat, but to have 15/15 already really is "things that make you go hmmmm". Especially, as you said, it's rare for the luck combo to come into play so the odds of being 15/15 so fast are like winning the lottery or falling out a plane and living.

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lol... seriously?

For my comments we'll be using some math about nyzul and your probability to reach floor 100 based on how many floors your group can clear on average that can be found right here:
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/109...=1#post5097920

The basic thing to know is that if you can clear 16 floors, you will reach floor 100 13% of the time. 17 floors gets you there 30% of the time. If you're not horrible at this game, 16-17 floor average is pretty easy to accomplish, which means you'll be getting at least 1 win a week. How long has nyzul been out now? 4 months? whats that like 17 weeks? Looks to me like if you were using all your tags on nyzul with a competent group you'd already be 15/15.

Also: If you can clear 18 floors, you'll be on 100 52% of the time, 19 floors pushes it to 72%. Based on how good your group is at Nyzul directly impacts your ability to reach 100. Based on this you can see that very good groups will be able to finish much faster than average groups. Saying anyone with the gear is obviously a cheater just shows how misinformed about the event you are, and maybe even how bad at FFXI you are. Have you even gotten your friends together and done a few runs and seen what your average floor clears will amount to?

EDIT: Is there any particular reason you make 4 posts instead of multi quoting or editing your post to include replies to different things? Are you trying to up your post count a lot or what?

EDIT #2: @peechan
Just came across this video of some gimp JPs beating neo nyzul in 20 minutes without cheating!
http://nicoviewer.net/sm17623114

I am not a fan of neo nyzul because it seems to require 2 scholars. If you want hard, like some of the people in this thread claim to, I think scholar's 2 hour should be massively nerfed to prevent this type of usage. Just think what SE did to drks with the haste cap and souleater nerf. Made their 2 hour much less useful. Let's do the same to scholar and win for real now with gimmicky broken 2 hours.

PC user
12/15 100 gear * i do not have a job for the mage gear set but yea...*
Static is 17/25 on wins
Set up: war war war/mnk drk sch sch
We have taken ls members *one at a time* on runs with us to gear them up since the content is so unbalanced.

that all being said , SE put this content and the 25 floor 80 win gimic in as a huge time sink. the event could be fixed simply by removing lamp floors totally. they are hands down the #1 run killer for any and all groups and the sole reason most people cant even join pugs without pc/skype/vent etc.

Neo is not hard at all , prefect example I have an extremely well geared monk but during my statics initial 4 runs we ran into alot of flan floors / amorphs and i eventually ended up changing to my war. Now my war is not ridiculously geared like my monk is but it is well above average but what my war doesn't have is a relic/mythic/empy. Now even without the massive dps boost of a proper war wep (im using the crit+4% GA) and a pretty decent upheaval set , im more then able to keep up with our other relic/empy DD's. So if you are doing neo you dont NEED relic/empy etc but you do need smart players.

The reason most people on PC's are able to clear this content and console users cant is simply communication.
We do our runs on vent , the 2 cors are CONSTANTLY in synch with each other on spell rotations rune control buff wear and 2 hour timers. All dps are calling out mobs as they see them be it boss location or simply whos training a zone with move+ so the others can hit lamps agro free. From a dps stand point we have adopted a split bunny hop kill style with 2 groups of DD's 1war+drk 1 war +war/mnk calling out a mob and the next dps grabbing the nearest mob. From what i understand about our sch's they are both geared (1 in 490ish other in 506) enhancing skill sets, and the spells they keep up are , embrava enthunder haste regen regain phlanx.

Also PLEASE USE TEMPS your dd's and mages should all have temps and food up for this event youve no room for slackers, and if your going with anything remotely close to a sub optimal setup stop and get the right gear/ players for the event.Your friends may not want to hear "sorry but you need a better dps job" but until your groups getting wins you need to cut people out and take whats needed to win.

if that helps anyones runs i hope so, either way to console users keep trying.

Neo is 20%skill 10%gear and 70% luck i say this because no matter how much of the first 2 your group has a 1>4>6>8>12>14>18>20..etc run = you are not getting to 100.

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Originally Posted by Siiri

I think scholar's 2 hour should be massively nerfed to prevent this type of usage.

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This is a stupid, stupid idea and you should feel bad for even suggesting it.

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Originally Posted by Ica

This is a stupid, stupid idea and you should feel bad for even suggesting it.

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Don't mind him/her. He has a hardon for wanting SCH nerfed. He'll bring it up in every thread.

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Originally Posted by Ica

This is a stupid, stupid idea and you should feel bad for even suggesting it.

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It'd go from barely anyone winning, to no one winning. At least it might make SE look into how stupid it is.

Flee Hacks, .DAT Swapping and two SCH's SHOULD not be the only means to beat something.

Only the bolded can "occasionally" be removed for the win.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

It'd go from barely anyone winning, to no one winning. At least it might make SE look into how stupid it is.

Flee Hacks, .DAT Swapping and two SCH's SHOULD not be the only means to beat something.

Only the bolded can "occasionally" be removed for the win.

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That is my point. It is stupid to design an event around one job's 2 hour to the point you need 2 to fully clear. Same reason Perfect Defense is flawed, if players think they are so awesome why do we need Perfect defense. Lets go straight up without gimmicks. Impossible? Then SE needs to adjust the event so gimmicks are not required.

Again, DRK was nerfed for the same reason, the 2 hour was too strong for events. Same thing here.

I freely admit I dislike scholar, maybe even downright hate it. That really isn't the issue though. The issue is bad game design disguised by an overpowered 2 hour to the point that 2 of the 6 members have to be scholar.

He/she's actually right about Embrava, for the same reason Perfect Defense ought to be nerfed: it's so powerful that it trivializes any content not balanced around its presence, but balancing around the assumption that it's there (and utilized properly via strategems) makes content basically impossible without it.

Any potential balancing decisions made in light of this are bad for the game, no matter the result. As Hatcher mentions, hacks or not nobody would disagree there were deep and serious problems with Nyzul that needed to be addressed if Embrava were not in the game (or were at least limited, like not stacking with strategems or applying a debuff to prevent back-to-back casts like WoW's Bloodlust/Time Warp). It would be better for PD and Embrava to just not exist, but if they must, we would all be better off if they were nerfed.

i fail to see the point in NERFING a job instead of ... idk spending 2-3 days in abyssea / sea/ sky gearing out a sch and being able to do the content.... the amount of time you guys have spent crying about embrava and PD you could have spent abusing them and had at least some of your NI2.0 gear.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

i fail to see the point in NERFING a job instead of ... idk spending 2-3 days in abyssea / sea/ sky gearing out a sch and being able to do the content.... the amount of time you guys have spent crying about embrava and PD you could have spent abusing them and had at least some of your NI2.0 gear.

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My point is simply because as it stands the Dev's think it's ok since you can do it via hacks and 2 jobs (that are required)

By removing that at least they'd see it's not designed as well as they think it is.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

i fail to see the point in NERFING a job instead of ... idk spending 2-3 days in abyssea / sea/ sky gearing out a sch and being able to do the content.... the amount of time you guys have spent crying about embrava and PD you could have spent abusing them and had at least some of your NI2.0 gear.

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How am I crying? I stated my opinion that an event should not be balanced around a 2 hour. I think Embrava/PD are gimmicky. Does that mean I do not use them? No, in fact I just used them last night for PW. I just acknowledge that I am using a gimmick, and not pretending a job's 2 hour makes me a great player or better than anyone.

Because it leads to situations like Nyzul (but more to the point, situations like Legion) where unbalanced, stupid content gets to stay unbalanced and stupid for literally no other reason than that the ability exists.

Need I remind you that Embrava is still really new and this balance idiocy started almost immediately? This doesn't seem wrong to you on some level?

they know damn well its not designed right, they put it in anyways. nerfing embrava is stupid you would ruin alot of fights *prov watcher* and set sch back to a subjob.

NI is luck based all embrava is doing is removing some of the RNG

better yet lets use VW

NI2.0 = VW without lights but floor 100 is getting your body.

now yes some people who never use cells never cap lights WILL get a body (ni floor 100 win) but 90% of the time your going to get more log drops then a porta potty @ the superbowl.

embava for this event is the equivalent of procing white on VW , does it get you your drops 100%? nope but it sure as fuck raises the chance of you getting A drop.

so if you have no issue with white procs being in VW then you should have no issue with embrava helping out in NI.

embava isnt the enemy here its , RNG floors and Lamps and the lack of a waiting room forcing people to rush as soon as they entered. you could have all the embrava and best players in the world shit floors and mobs will still cost you a loss.

I actually agree with the idea that NI isn't dramatically different than VW in its reward structure; they have simply relocated the RNG in the process.

If people could use a third party program to increase their Red to 800%, I would bet Hard-Earned American Dollars they'd whine about how unfair voidwatch droprates are (and they are, don't get me wrong) to justify that, too!

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Originally Posted by Siiri

I freely admit I dislike scholar, maybe even downright hate it. That really isn't the issue though. The issue is bad game design disguised by an overpowered 2 hour to the point that 2 of the 6 members have to be scholar.

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That statement.... You mad bro? Jealous? What? you leveled a dumb dumb job? Scholar 2 hours is by far one of the best 2 hours in the game, finally the developer did something right and created a 2 hours that is worth its title. Before you twisted your panty once again, and go crying, let me remind you the upcoming revision to existing 2 hours and some new meritable ones that is in the works. I bet you soon Neo Nyzul will require some of these potent new two hours to be used and it will make Embrava looks like a yesterday news. Then you can go back here hating several new jobs and complaint how unfair blah blah blah. Embrava is fine the way it is, not over powered, it's the right ability for scholar since to master that job you must be able to use things strategically, something you obviously have no experience.

Granted I agree with you that no events should be designed with certain jobs in mind to be able to complete it. But the players found out how to go around this so called "balance", it's too bad they also need cheat programs, and the fact that you need job xyz. What Embrava did is to let all the DDs go all out, and the fact that Embrava is extremely efficient with haste, regen, and regain. Same thing can be said for Corsair + Summoner combo but the fact that you do not get the same amount of duration and potency. But let's not derail the main problem here, this event is 100% luck based, if they added time extension so you can get up to 45-60 minutes, then all problems here will be removed and all jobs combination can work. The only factor would be getting lucky with the drops or the fact that you need to kill floor boss mob 15 times.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

let me remind you the upcoming revision to existing 2 hours and some new meritable ones that is in the works. I bet you soon Neo Nyzul will require some of these potent new two hours to be used and it will make Embrava looks like a yesterday news.

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i am going to gloss over everything that's dumb about your post and focus on this, because it really underscores what's wrong with the rest of it

does a game full of super-powerful two hours that dominate the rest of everyone's skillset sound like it would be fun to play

like, do you think league of legends would be a better game if everybody just hung out in their base until R was back up again

EDIT: FTR I kind of hope (well, I really hope) the two-hour merits end up reducing the cooldown on the basic two-hours rather than strengthening them; the stronger ones don't need to be any stronger, and I think a lot of the weaker ones would gain a lot from shorter cooldowns, thus making them something you could actually rely on in a real-world situation. Just off the top of my head, if you gave Spirit Surge, Perfect Dodge, Blood Weapon, Trance, Invincible, and Benediction 20-minute cooldowns it would completely change the way each of those jobs play, I'd think. It's exciting to think about, really.

A lot more exciting than stuff straight-up better than Embrava, at least.

LMAO, you should blame the developer. The new 2 hours will probably good ones, with some jobs getting the shaft as usual. The players will probably find out which ones is appropriate in helping clearing Neo Nyzul. The only thing good about Embrava is that the time duration and potency. Since NN is limited with time, Embrava helps a great deal. When time is no longer an urgency, you can replace Embrava with similar benefits from other jobs. While you are at it, the other 4 slots is actually for well geared DDs (Samurai, Warriors, Monk), may want to cry foul at this and start asking for nerf since it excludes Black Mage, Red Mage and probably a good amount of other jobs as well.

Beside, when you have 2 hours ability that is as powerful as Embrava, you USE IT when you deem is appropriate. You don't just prancing around trying to solve this so called challenge with your "skill". There is no skill involved here, just plain LUCK, and Communication. And if you get slammed with Lamp Floors multiple times, well there goes your Embrava. Kill one mob, kill all mob, or kill specific mobs family are not challenge.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

That statement.... You mad bro? Jealous? What? you leveled a dumb dumb job? Scholar 2 hours is by far one of the best 2 hours in the game, finally the developer did something right and created a 2 hours that is worth its title. Before you twisted your panty once again, and go crying, let me remind you the upcoming revision to existing 2 hours and some new meritable ones that is in the works.

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Nope, not mad or jealous. I have many jobs at 99, same as most people in this thread. I have adapted my jobs and play style over the last 7 years, taking part in every event in game at one time or another. I will state again, my issue with scholar has nothing to do with my points in this thread. I think the existence of over powered 2 hour abilities is bad game design, whether they are SAM only Nyzul shouts at 75, Kclub drk AV fights (which was nerfed), Perfect Defense AV/Pandemonium Warden fights, or embrava fueled Nyzul 2.0, Legion and Provenance. I am not picking on scholar, I am calling out the game design. Sorry you feel the need to insult me to make your argument.

Why people advocate for the nerfing of jobs or abilities instead of adjustments to events is beyond me.

Again, if you want to place blame, blame the developers for creating unbalanced contents. As for jobs xyz getting preferred treatment, that is just how the game works. After awhile the players will find out which jobs are the most efficient at clearing particular tasks. As for 2 hours being overpowered, perhaps you forgot other super powered 2 hours? Familiar is also extremely powerful, it lasts 30 minutes and longer when you have jug pets. There are many other 2 hours that is just as good as Embrava, albeit for different situations, and at this point not for Neo Nyzul. Save your hatred for something else. I don't hate any jobs in FFXI, each one is useful for certain situations, not one job is a solution for everything, well except White Mage, one of the best mage jobs in this game, PERFECT 10 - in case you are looking for another nerf this job case...

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

Again, if you want to place blame, blame the developers for creating unbalanced contents. As for jobs xyz getting preferred treatment, that is just how the game works. After awhile the players will find out which jobs are the most efficient at clearing particular tasks. As for 2 hours being overpowered, perhaps you forgot other super powered 2 hours? Familiar is also extremely powerful, it lasts 30 minutes and longer when you have jug pets. There are many other 2 hours that is just as good as Embrava, albeit for different situations, and at this point not for Neo Nyzul. Save your hatred for something else. I don't hate any jobs in FFXI, each one is useful for certain situations, not one job is a solution for everything, well except White Mage, one of the best mage jobs in this game, PERFECT 10 - in case you are looking for another nerf this job case...

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You are the one who sounds angry. White Mage's weakness is the same as it has always been, in that it is not desired for sustained low man events in which the action is continuous. No one takes a white mage to Nyzul 2.0. so there is an event it is not perfect for. Likewise white mage will probably be little used in Limbus 2.0 except for the boss fight, and Salvage 2.0. It was rarely used in those events at 75 in the original versions. I don't have a problem with this, I have many other jobs to use when white mage isn't needed. I also don't have a problem with scholar being a top pick for Nyzul. Seems a bit odd for Nyzul to require 2 scholars using their 2 hours though. I think I have said this all before though.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

the time you guys have spent crying about embrava and PD you could have spent abusing them and had at least some of your NI2.0 gear.

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lol, so true.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

that all being said , SE put this content and the 25 floor 80 win gimic in as a huge time sink. the event could be fixed simply by removing lamp floors totally. they are hands down the #1 run killer for any and all groups and the sole reason most people cant even join pugs without pc/skype/vent etc.

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Hypocrite. Admit you fixed lamp orders by dat modding like everyone else.

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I have an extremely well geared monk but during my statics initial 4 runs we ran into alot of flan floors / amorphs and i eventually ended up changing to my war.

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What is formless strike.

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The reason most people on PC's are able to clear this content and console users cant is simply communication.

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Nope it's cheat tools that are undectable. You use them just like anyone else reaching the top floor.

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We do our runs on vent , the 2 cors are CONSTANTLY in synch with each other on spell rotations rune control buff wear and 2 hour timers.

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Man what a lot of work ! dude haste on warp up embrava when it wears off, console users totally can't do eeet.

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Also PLEASE USE TEMPS your dd's and mages should all have temps and food up for this event youve no room for slackers,

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It's funny because I fail to see what temps make the SCH more efficient.

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Neo is 20%skill 10%gear and 70% luck i say this because no matter how much of the first 2 your group has a 1>4>6>8>12>14>18>20..etc run = you are not getting to 100.

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Kay mister useless, you explained us that all your previous speech about strategy is useless, the only way to achieve FL100 is getting ~10+ 8 floors jumps, all of which belong to easy floors (aka no those requiring ofg1337 dps). Fail.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Hypocrite. Admit you fixed lamp orders by dat modding like everyone else.






What is formless strike.





Nope it's cheat tools that are undectable. You use them just like anyone else reaching the top floor.





Man what a lot of work ! dude haste on warp up embrava when it wears off, console users totally can't do eeet.






It's funny because I fail to see what temps make the SCH more efficient.



Kay mister useless, you explained us that all your previous speech about strategy is useless, the only way to achieve FL100 is getting ~10+ 8 floors jumps, all of which belong to easy floors (aka no those requiring ofg1337 dps). Fail.

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Short version:I can't do that! Your lying! You cheat, cheater!

Or at least, what it looked like to me... I think its possible, and talking to your partners helps obviously, tell them where your going and split up better, also means you can get people info faster, saves time typing... Many reasons.
As for what can temps do for SCH? Well if your getting mobs that are resistant to melee, they are gonna be weak to magic, meaning the SCHs can nuke them, meaning MP items and things to make your nukes stronger, thus improving speed & performance. How hard are things to understand?

Except that if you are getting melee resistant crap and you are relying on SCH to kill them you are already losing the run because because of the time constraints ? Any time you are getting an unusal floor that implies losing time compared to the avergae floor you lose. A single order lamp means loss except if you cheat. Not sure why all the gimps are emphatazing on killing speed. You guyz should record a run and actually count the time you spend killing vs doing something else. Just for you info any time you are expecting 100%+ TP per mob on killall floors you lose because it takes 1 full minute to replenish TP from regain and mobs are one shotted by WS.

Umm~ depends on the SCH? A full minute doesn't seem right by my math, 3seconds/tick 7tp/tick so thats 140tp/minute... You would need a SCH with 400 skill I think for a 5TP/tick. However I will say no, thats not going to get you far, but the haste with the regain will when you start hitting mobs, the mass haste+regain will make you WS every few seconds very easily... Making killing everything in your path simple and I would think fairly fast...

140 tp per minute dude that's fail seing as you cannot afford more than 1:30 per floor. You will always get TP on first mob, when you are on the second mob 1 min will not have passed so you are stuck and and TP gotten at this point from regain will go to trash because the next WS will not come regain so yeah. The only thing regain does is getting a WS on first mob on everyfloor.


So.... what ? Again ? No words on optimization on lamps floor and specifed enemies floors, because last I checked killall floors are the fastest floor so give us a break with your dps otimization when they clearly don't matter ?

Ok, you said WS 1hit mobs, so, if I 1hit them with my WS, why not A:Attack a mob. B:WS a nearby mob so it dies. C:TP on 1st mob again. D:WS another mob nearby. E:If D is unable to be done, WS the 1st mob and move on. In the time you take to get 4 hits (in a 5hit build) with 2handers, you would get that other 21 from Embrava which gives you the 5th hit, saving time, seconds or not, thats time, and every second counts when your racing against a clock in an event you seem to think is impossible without cheats.

How to optimize your lamps & Spec enemys, well depends what your doing, are you communicating with your party correctly? If so, Lamps can be done well, there is also luck involved in some, like order lamps. Spec enemys are another where communication can help, if your talking to people, you save time typing to search or to kill. The time you could be killing, or looking for your enemy, you must now take a few extra seconds to type out to everyone that the mobs your after are... bunnys... not every other mob in the zone. Again, seconds count.

Many things can save you time, SCH Fast Casting spells, not a massive time save, but its there. Stronger DDs, temps for power, having your SCHs kill things as well as DDs (even if they die easily, more killing can not possibly hurt), cut corners, make improvements, and you can do it. Yes luck will make a difference, but thats just the FFXI we live in today, luck has become an even bigger role. If you roll bad in this or in VW, you will get nothing for your effort. This is better in that case because in here, you can improve and at least give yourself a better shot at it. Saving just 30 seconds can mean you get more done, and are closer to winning on a good run.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

140 tp per minute dude that's fail seing as you cannot afford more than 1:30 per floor. You will always get TP on first mob, when you are on the second mob 1 min will not have passed so you are stuck and and TP gotten at this point from regain will go to trash because the next WS will not come regain so yeah. The only thing regain does is getting a WS on first mob on everyfloor.

So.... what ? Again ? No words on optimization on lamps floor and specifed enemies floors, because last I checked killall floors are the fastest floor so give us a break with your dps otimization when they clearly don't matter ?

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Obviously you have never met an all enimies floor full of HNMs and other time consuming nms like byakko who uses PD.

in fact, they can actually be the slowest floors, especially on higher, large floors. just because you're all enemy floors have 5 mobs total and 4 of them are imps dosn't mean they are all the "fastest"

So what ? Your HnMs floors mean you lose anyway because if you rely on embrava to do TP spam it means that you are spending minutes on the floor, meaning you ARE losing.

I just enter 4 times on the test server to check what kind of time it takes to just "gauge" the floor.

*I had 2 killall floors (full of flan and slimes of course), It took me 1'29 and 1'02 just walking to count the mobs (no fighting).
* 1 enemy lear (a flan !!) and it took 1'02 to get to it (I followed the path it was straight forward).
* One lamp "same time" floor, took 27 second to find it.


For killalls : even if enemies are melee weak you are looking at ~1'15 running then ~10 seconds x 4 mobs per melee which makes it ~2 minutes.
For enemy leader : ~ 1'02 running and ~1' killing it total ~2 minutes.
For lamp order : 30 sec for each melee to find it's lamp, 30 sec per attempt and you need ~3 attempt to guess right so 3x30 sec wasted at least for a total of 2 minutes too.

So basically you can't afford more than 15 floors to win whatever your setup. Then you have to deal with the random floors and randomly long floors.

Cheating cuts down the time tremendously. Not for killall floors but for Enemy leader (you know quickly where the mob is : 30 sec instead of 1min to find it) or lamp order ( 2 min without cheats, 30 sec with cheat). Basically the above 4 floors example that would take 8 minutes to clear without undetectable cheats (that EVERYONE is aware of) will noow take 6 minutes. All of a sudden you went from affording 15 run max to 20 run max.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

So what ? Your HnMs floors mean you lose anyway because if you rely on embrava to do TP spam it means that you are spending minutes on the floor, meaning you ARE losing.

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I see, interesting. and how many nyzul peices do you have again?

Noone but I'll be getting a shiny in a few.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Noone but I'll be getting a shining empy within a few days.

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Cool, but this doesn't qualify you to make judgments on NNI when you don't have the gear, as such you saying its impossible without cheats is seen as only an outlet of rage and disappointment on your part, this argument/talk is over. The simple fact it is seen as impossible by a major amount of people should say there is a problem with its difficulty or we have yet to understand the true reason why we do not win. I say its a matter of luck, some skill, and that its upto the player to determine the ratio between them, more skill=less luck and so on.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

lol... seriously?

The basic thing to know is that if you can clear 16 floors, you will reach floor 100 13% of the time. 17 floors gets you there 30% of the time. If you're not horrible at this game, 16-17 floor average is pretty easy to accomplish, which means you'll be getting at least 1 win a week. How long has nyzul been out now? 4 months? whats that like 17 weeks? Looks to me like if you were using all your tags on nyzul with a competent group you'd already be 15/15.

Also: If you can clear 18 floors, you'll be on 100 52% of the time, 19 floors pushes it to 72%. Based on how good your group is at Nyzul directly impacts your ability to reach 100. Based on this you can see that very good groups will be able to finish much faster than average groups. Saying anyone with the gear is obviously a cheater just shows how misinformed about the event you are, and maybe even how bad at FFXI you are. Have you even gotten your friends together and done a few runs and seen what your average floor clears will amount to?

http://nicoviewer.net/sm17623114

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You're full of it.
The animation lock and loading alone for 16 floor jump is ~7mins from the activation to finish. The numbers just don't add up.

And I think easing this event is a bad idea, everybody with cheat tools will clear this with high success rate. It will wreak the game balance.

I don't see they will adjust this anytime soon. We'll have to adapt. Safety in numbers!