NEO Nyzul 2.0

[wish12oz]

Personally, all they have to do is to increase time limit of Neo Nyzul to 60 minutes per run.

This would solve the problem, if you think the problem is that 2 full perle bsts cannot duo neo nyzul to floor 100, every time they try. It's suppose to be hard, it's suppose to take more than 15 tags, get over it.

I suppose this is where BG gimps show us a video of their awesome-cheatless skills. But obviously they won't.

No, this is just the part where I laugh at you for being 0/15 on neo nyzul gear while I have all of it.

The fact that you insist on killing speed in your argument against my statement proves my point. It's pretty obious that the killing speed is not what matters.

Do you fight stuff ever in the event? If so, kill speed matters. Everything you can do to decrease time spent on floors helps. The more floors you can clear, the less luck you require with floor jumps to hit 100, how do you not understand this?

[Camiie]

Hey everyone,

The new Nyzul was not designed in such a way that it is impossible to clear.

Just HIGHLY unlikely for a VAST majority of the players to even consider being able to clear, even with the best gear in the game that doesn't come from Nyzul. Don't act like having players bang their head against the proverbial wall and coming away with nothing but a headache but being so addicted that they keep coming back anyway wasn't the intent. If we go in and fail over and over and over again through no fault of our own the event is working as intended. We're supposed to get just enough success or just enough hope to make us think we can do it and that's it.

We understand that it is a challenge to reach and complete floor 100, but please keep in mind that successful runs offers guaranteed rewards.

You guys understand nothing. You don't understand the state of the community, human nature, the wants/needs of your current paying customers, etc. Instead of shaping events around what your playerbase is like, you want the playerbase to shape itself to fit your vision.

In the past that worked out for you all because we were just too ignorant and stupid to know any better. We've learned and grown and know better now. You guys have not. You're still trapped in the past decade of MMOs as far as endgame is concerned. The saddest part is there were times you all actually were smarter about endgame, and I don't just mean Abyssea. All that's been thrown to the side to support the Grand Vision of The Great Leader. I guess his enjoyment is more important than ours.

In addition, the development team was able to introduce rewards with some highly beneficial stats due to the level of difficulty associated with getting to and conquering floor 100.

And those items are worthless if there's no reasonable way to obtain them. If you can reach my house on top of Mount Everest then everything you've ever wanted is yours! I've literally parked heaven on the highest peak! You have 30 minutes to reach the top! GO!

That said, there aren't any plans to simplify the journey up to the top

Of course there aren't. I guess in Japan it's OK to be a failure as long as you don't admit failure. That's good to know.

[Concerned4FFxi]

To say anyone that has 3 or more pieces of hq gear is cheating is completely ignorant. It is possible to beat ny isle without any forms of cheating just do no expect to accomplish it on a daily basis .

This my friend is why i said what i said, that having more than two or three peices warrants the suspect cheater gaze. Of course there may be one or two statics that have 5/5 gear that did not cheat, there's also people who fall 30,000feet and live. It's just that, one of a million people will not die falling out of a plane. Please, don't argue about every little detail when I'm just trying to point out the facts that most people 5/5 cheated and we all know it. Yes, ther's people with 5/5 that didnt cheat, but to have 15/15 already really is "things that make you go hmmmm". Especially, as you said, it's rare for the luck combo to come into play so the odds of being 15/15 so fast are like winning the lottery or falling out a plane and living.

[Concerned4FFxi]

Without seeing through walls ? Without changing the lamps names ?



This event had been designed by someone that didn't think more like 1 minute. I mean serisouly did they never heard of the trick to see through wall and dat mods ?

dude if we cheated i wouldnt be on here saying we got to 90+, I'd be in town wearing my 100 floor gear and keeping my mouth shut.

[Concerned4FFxi]

I prefer the content not be nerfed, I just wish SE did more about cheating, why can't they just put a program in NIUR that always monitors players use of 3rd party tools and auto-temp bans players if they are using any 3rd party tools for NIUR. It's that simple, you know the area that needs monitoring, get it done. The content is alot of luck based but it's not impossible, just really hard and requires great team work and luck. Except the luck part, I really like the challenege and I don't want SE to spoon feed me more gear were I can AFK during an event and still come back to a win.

[Concerned4FFxi]

P.S. If you read this Okipuit anyway you could suggest to the devs if the Nyzul lobby could be worked out to be like the Legion lobby so the event timer wont start till we are warped to floor 1? I'm sure i am not the only one wanting this!

This right here, this is the best thing i've yet to hear about NIUR. I second, third, and fourth this, this wouldn't be game breaking for the DEV to perform and in my opinion is absolutely needed.

[wish12oz]

Of course there may be one or two statics that have 5/5 gear that did not cheat, there's also people who fall 30,000feet and live. It's just that, one of a million people will not die falling out of a plane. Please, don't argue about every little detail when I'm just trying to point out the facts that most people 5/5 cheated and we all know it. Yes, ther's people with 5/5 that didnt cheat, but to have 15/15 already really is "things that make you go hmmmm". Especially, as you said, it's rare for the luck combo to come into play so the odds of being 15/15 so fast are like winning the lottery or falling out a plane and living.

lol... seriously?

For my comments we'll be using some math about nyzul and your probability to reach floor 100 based on how many floors your group can clear on average that can be found right here:
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/109...=1#post5097920

The basic thing to know is that if you can clear 16 floors, you will reach floor 100 13% of the time. 17 floors gets you there 30% of the time. If you're not horrible at this game, 16-17 floor average is pretty easy to accomplish, which means you'll be getting at least 1 win a week. How long has nyzul been out now? 4 months? whats that like 17 weeks? Looks to me like if you were using all your tags on nyzul with a competent group you'd already be 15/15.

Also: If you can clear 18 floors, you'll be on 100 52% of the time, 19 floors pushes it to 72%. Based on how good your group is at Nyzul directly impacts your ability to reach 100. Based on this you can see that very good groups will be able to finish much faster than average groups. Saying anyone with the gear is obviously a cheater just shows how misinformed about the event you are, and maybe even how bad at FFXI you are. Have you even gotten your friends together and done a few runs and seen what your average floor clears will amount to?

EDIT: Is there any particular reason you make 4 posts instead of multi quoting or editing your post to include replies to different things? Are you trying to up your post count a lot or what?

EDIT #2: @peechan
Just came across this video of some gimp JPs beating neo nyzul in 20 minutes without cheating!
http://nicoviewer.net/sm17623114

[Siiri]

I am not a fan of neo nyzul because it seems to require 2 scholars. If you want hard, like some of the people in this thread claim to, I think scholar's 2 hour should be massively nerfed to prevent this type of usage. Just think what SE did to drks with the haste cap and souleater nerf. Made their 2 hour much less useful. Let's do the same to scholar and win for real now with gimmicky broken 2 hours.

[Gokku]

PC user
12/15 100 gear * i do not have a job for the mage gear set but yea...*
Static is 17/25 on wins
Set up: war war war/mnk drk sch sch
We have taken ls members *one at a time* on runs with us to gear them up since the content is so unbalanced.

that all being said , SE put this content and the 25 floor 80 win gimic in as a huge time sink. the event could be fixed simply by removing lamp floors totally. they are hands down the #1 run killer for any and all groups and the sole reason most people cant even join pugs without pc/skype/vent etc.

Neo is not hard at all , prefect example I have an extremely well geared monk but during my statics initial 4 runs we ran into alot of flan floors / amorphs and i eventually ended up changing to my war. Now my war is not ridiculously geared like my monk is but it is well above average but what my war doesn't have is a relic/mythic/empy. Now even without the massive dps boost of a proper war wep (im using the crit+4% GA) and a pretty decent upheaval set , im more then able to keep up with our other relic/empy DD's. So if you are doing neo you dont NEED relic/empy etc but you do need smart players.

The reason most people on PC's are able to clear this content and console users cant is simply communication.
We do our runs on vent , the 2 cors are CONSTANTLY in synch with each other on spell rotations rune control buff wear and 2 hour timers. All dps are calling out mobs as they see them be it boss location or simply whos training a zone with move+ so the others can hit lamps agro free. From a dps stand point we have adopted a split bunny hop kill style with 2 groups of DD's 1war+drk 1 war +war/mnk calling out a mob and the next dps grabbing the nearest mob. From what i understand about our sch's they are both geared (1 in 490ish other in 506) enhancing skill sets, and the spells they keep up are , embrava enthunder haste regen regain phlanx.

Also PLEASE USE TEMPS your dd's and mages should all have temps and food up for this event youve no room for slackers, and if your going with anything remotely close to a sub optimal setup stop and get the right gear/ players for the event.Your friends may not want to hear "sorry but you need a better dps job" but until your groups getting wins you need to cut people out and take whats needed to win.

if that helps anyones runs i hope so, either way to console users keep trying.

Neo is 20%skill 10%gear and 70% luck i say this because no matter how much of the first 2 your group has a 1>4>6>8>12>14>18>20..etc run = you are not getting to 100.

[Ica]

I think scholar's 2 hour should be massively nerfed to prevent this type of usage.

This is a stupid, stupid idea and you should feel bad for even suggesting it.