RDM's "melee" component only needs better / more gear options, Req fills out the "better WS" part. Moten has it on par with Vorpal and exceeding it with enough MND gear. fTP effects all hits on Req so your looking at a 6.0fTP WS (7.2 with off hand) 100% MND -20% attack WS. CDC is better but 5/5 Req is sufficient until you get an Almace.
RDM is exactly 66% "mage" and 33% "melee". Or in MMO terms its 0% tank (now) 33% healer and 66% DD (50% Magic 50% Melee). In FFXI terms its one third WHM, one third BLM and one third WAR. No matter how you cut it, the job deserves it's melee component, it's what defines Red Mage as a job. Right now "end game" is limited to Voidwatch, Abyssea and neo-Nyzule. None of those are particularly suitable for a hybrid job. There is also neo-Dynamis with ADL and PW pop set building, these events cater to a hybrid RDM. Actual ADL is a crap shoot and basically relies on PD spam with mules, PW is a bit more spamable now that zeni has been fixed.
One SE fix's (if they do) enfeebles then that opens an actual reason to bring a Hybrid RDM over another "generic DD".
New enhancing spell for RDM to promote party support.
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03-09-2012, 12:23 PMsaevel
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03-09-2012, 01:37 PMSpankWustlerThis doesn't really address the "opportunity cost" of not engaging something or that somebody has to engage the monster in order to make it stop being alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by saevel
A Warrior or Monk who doesn't engage something might as well be a decorative water fixture at that moment. You don't need to cure the 1/100 model of Splash Mountain but it's not doing anything for anybody either.
A Red Mage who doesn't engage something is comparable to a relatively far more useful water fixture. Like a toilet with a built-in bidet or something. The Red Bidet still has access to it's full array of spells, and in fact, can use them better in this state by taking advantage of Magian staves. Also, it can squirt water that is always too hot or too cold but never just right.
Meleeing stuff on mage jobs definitely has value, to the extent that I consider making a melee-friendly macro set for my White Mage at least every other month and then remember I'm at 75/80 inventory already, but it's not the same thing as hitting something on a job that only has value when it's hitting something. -
03-09-2012, 02:19 PMNeisan_Quetz
Not to mention support jobs can you know heal/support the frontline to keep them alive. Having your support get silenced/para'd/Petrified/Slept constantly is typically just asking to invite disaster.
And if we're 1/3 Blm as you claim can we get native Stun? Cause that would be totally nice. Doesn't even break the 'no Aoe Spells not diaga' rule. -
03-09-2012, 03:52 PMManaKing
I would love some native stun. A better debuff than enfeebles because it can actually stop a spell or TP move.
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03-09-2012, 04:42 PMDuelleI'm more in favor of Flash. That's a spell we used to have.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManaKing
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03-09-2012, 09:39 PMDaniel_HatcherIf we got Flash we should also get Stun, as they are the two spells for PLD and DRK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duelle
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03-09-2012, 11:07 PMcidbahamutThis contradicts your previous stance of it being perfectly fine to go RDM/DRK and wail on Voidwatch bosses with your Almace, so you'll forgive me if I find this statement to be disingenuous.Quote:
Originally Posted by saevel
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03-10-2012, 01:46 AMtyrantsyn
Why should any Dev ever take anything seriously coming out of any RDM thread. No suggestion are ever overwhelming like by the community. Most thread's never seeing even double digit's on the like column's for idea's. And even more so, are always derail by the same few ppl about rdm melee. That end up spewing the same crap they been spewing since day 1. Which to be honest seems to be the only thing that keeps ppl posting in them anyways. My case and point is this thread, which started off as a new spell idea has pretty much has become the same crap we have in 20 other thread's. Nothing on topic and basically has become a your wrong thread, look what they've done to my favorite job, "why they no listen to me"
SE adjusting enfeebling magic and the verdict is still out on that one. So the focus should be falling to enhancing magic til we get some more input on the adjustments. If RDM melee is your thing, like I said before go make a thread about it. And be passionate about it there. And leave these other thread's to die if no one can get on board with them. -
03-10-2012, 01:59 AMcidbahamut
Alternatively we could all just report melee posts for being off-topic. I'm pretty sure that's covered under most standard forum rules these days. I think I'll start doing that, because it's not like we don't have several dozen threads devoted to discussing Red Mage melee already.
Edit: Yup, it's actually the first thing listed in the forum rules: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ral-Discussion! -
03-10-2012, 08:33 AMDuelleThat's because instead of allowing both camps to play their way, the devs lean towards one and the other is neglected. When the other is neglected, it doesn't play up to par in party play (AKA the very thing FFXI was designed around). Then it snowballs and creates things like lolmelee and refreshbot.Quote:
Originally Posted by tyrantsyn
Except that when we make melee threads, it's somehow alright to have the same trolls and naysayers invade our threads and tell us to shut up and embrace party support. Goes with that saying about people in glass houses and all.Quote:
And even more so, are always derail by the same few ppl about rdm melee.
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03-10-2012, 09:34 AMSpankWustlerSince the level cap increases began, the Development Bros have given Red Mage the same amount of near-nothing whether you want to hit things or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duelle
The addition of Almace and Magian staves, the two largest improvements the job has gotten going from 75 to 99, seems like an even break to me.
Temper but few new pieces of melee equipment. Given how Dynamis works now, how much content involves monsters we are now 10+ levels above, and that Campaign is actually profitable; there are more places for a mage to melee productively than ever. So, why not add some more equipment for that vile task?
Awesome abilities and bonuses to use with Enhancing and Enfeebling spells yet no amazing new spells to use them on. Where's a super-duper powerful enhancing spell that would require +95% duration to be maintained full-time on one person? Where's a new enfeebling spell that isn't Addle and doesn't suck?
Red Mage would benefit a lot from the kind of examination that White Mage, Black Mage, and Scholar have received recently. The job is not the magical powerhouse it was in 2006. It's more of an outhouse with moderately enchanted toilet paper. -
03-10-2012, 11:55 PMtyrantsynTitle of thread : New enhancing spell for RDM to promote party supportQuote:
Originally Posted by Duelle
I don't knock RDM melee, I enjoy it, I use it in Dynamis, Campaign, and farming or when ever the feeling strikes me. What I said is that it didn't have it's place here. I'm not saying anything else about this.
In a game base around party support, RDM is too selfish of a job in it's current state. It's spell list needs to be reviewed and have some of this self targeted only spell changed over to single targeted spell's. It seems a little silly to me that bar spells whether self targeted or aoe both share the same amount of potency and are only base on the casters enhancing magic skill. The same goes for the gain and boost line spell's. It further bother's me because we were told in another thread that because of the way the haste spell is, that it could not be made accesssion~able do to the fact that it was create as a single targeted spell and as a aoe would be to powerful. So why is it that bar/bar~ra/gain/boost line spells all share the same potency? Shouldn't this be adjusted as well in the line of thinking with the haste spell potency? -
03-11-2012, 09:03 AMDuelleJust like gems like "ask for something 'useful' instead of buffs for lolmelee" did not belong in the melee thread(s). It's nothing to get bent out of shape over, again going back to the saying about people in glass houses. Either way, since you're dropping the subject, so will I.Quote:
Originally Posted by tyrantsyn
All that does is try to turn Red Mage into Oracle or Green Mage.Quote:
In a game base around party support, RDM is too selfish of a job in it's current state. It's spell list needs to be reviewed and have some of this self targeted only spell changed over to single targeted spell's.
Since I'm at work, I can't pull up the Japanese concept, but RDM's manifesto clearly includes self-buffing. The guy that translated that to English for some reason decided to replace that with the "buffs allies to demigods" nonsense. I don't know if he was taking creative liberties with interpretation or something. The self-buffs the job possesses is par the course for RDM, believe it or not.Quote:
It seems a little silly to me that bar spells whether self targeted or aoe both share the same amount of potency and are only base on the casters enhancing magic skill. The same goes for the gain and boost line spell's.
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03-11-2012, 12:00 PMhidekayea? dunno if you know, but about 50% of the active whm population these days are bots, not players, since its easier to grind a bot up in abyssea and have it follow you arround so that you dont have to pull someones teeth out of their heads to play whitemage. and proramming a timed script that auto rebuffs everyone for a RDM mule is freakin childs play, any C+ novice kid could code that out, and since its all client side scripting, GMs really cant prove that the person is Scripting, since if they decided they wanted to take a peek at your PCs processes, theyd be signing your check for an invasion of privacy settlement the same day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz
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03-11-2012, 12:18 PMSpankWustlerThis has more to do with the necessity or utility of having a pocket White Mage than the simplicity of the job. I think so many people being inclined to pay thirteen extra bucks a month and mess with two characters at once in order to always have access to an often-mediocre White Mage is a profound testament to how awesome the job is.Quote:
Originally Posted by hideka
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03-11-2012, 09:34 PMsaevel
The guy who started the thread isn't even a RDM, doesn't play the job and never intends to play the job. The fact he thought Composure allows us to cast triple duration buffs on other players demonstrates that quite well. The question was asked so that he could receive buffs to his other jobs.
RDM is not a buffing job, SE has come out and told us this, so stop trying to make it into one. In case nobody's been listening lately, SE is awfully stubborn about something once they've made their mind up. SE has no plans to turn RDM into BRD, COR or WHM. That RDM was used as a WHM replacement and went around soloing a bunch of stuff made SE hesitant to do anything with the job. Does the fact that RDM doesn't get a single cure nor party targetable buff past 48 not kinda nail that point home?
In the developers minds, to paraphrase the JP post, RDM's will buff themselves into demigod status while supporting the party by debuffing the monsters. Everything SE's done up to this point has been inline with that statement. The only issue is that enfeebles currently don't do much, so the "supporting party by debuffing" isn't working as imagined. -
03-11-2012, 09:45 PMsaevel
I forgot to comment on this gem of a line earlier.
Yes it does actually, when the people who write the code that runs the game say something, that's about as absolute as you can get in a make believe video game. If SE said "the servers will turn off tomorrow" we could be reasonably certain that they would absolutely turn off tomorrow. If SE said they will not take your credit card payment info anymore, then you can be reasonably certain that if you were paying with a CC that it would no longer work. And later if SE said they would allow your to pay with a CC, then you can be reasonably certain that it would work again.Quote:
'Because SE says so' does not make their remark absolute.
There is no higher power in this video game then SE themselves. No one to appeal to, no way to force them to do what you want them to do. So NQ, it seems your argument isn't with us but with SE themselves. And seeing as jokes are constantly being made about SE and their "Barance", I wish you well with your campaign to change the Devs mind. Hey if you work really hard you might succeed and they could change their mind like they did with VWNM and letting others have your R/EX drops, ... ohh wait .... -
03-11-2012, 10:03 PMDaniel_HatcherEnhancing isn't all that anyway, I'd hardly class 20% DA, 25 of one stat etc... as Demigod worthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by saevel
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03-12-2012, 12:16 AMNeisan_QuetzSE making bad design choices doesn't give them a 'get out of jail free' card to continue making poor design choices. You just sound like a SE apologist right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by saevel
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03-12-2012, 02:51 AMSpankWustlerHow much they believe in their own goals doesn't make those goals worthwhile, and particularly does not indicate their means of accomplishing those goals are effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by saevel
Their vision for Red Mage sounds completely ridiculous compared to how the job actually functions. The English version also sounded completely ridiculous compared to how the job actually functions, of course, but at least it had an optimistic glow about it.
The Japanese version implies that they think +25 of a base statistic and Temper are super-duper useful and job-defining and that Slow and Paralyze are as helpful now as they were in 2006 (the English version also implied this, but it's still dumb). Which, while not the least bit surprising, remains depressing. -
03-12-2012, 05:23 AMDuelleI'm guessing you're referring to the fact that SE designed it as a hybrid but some players are desperate to cram it into a healer/buffbot slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpankWustler
I'll admit if someone had not brought it up we would have never realized it, but we were given a manifesto that was not properly translated.Quote:
The English version also sounded completely ridiculous compared to how the job actually functions, of course, but at least it had an optimistic glow about it.
Which is still much better than the player-maintained misconception of Refresh, Haste, and Cures being super-duper and job-defining when it came to RDM.Quote:
The Japanese version implies that they think +25 of a base statistic and Temper are super-duper useful and job-defining
This goes back to a discussion I once had with someone over how debuffs in Final Fantasy are either miniscule or OP by MMO standards. FF has too many debuffs that function as absolutes instead of being how debuffs usually are treated in MMOs. In any other game, Paralyze is OP. In any other game, Break is OP. Hell, even stuff like Silence is kept to a minimum because any longer would be pretty damn OP.Quote:
and that Slow and Paralyze are as helpful now as they were in 2006
When your debuffs are on that threshold, you're going to keep their use at a minimum. In a way, the approach the devs have taken with mob design shows that the devs are aware of this too. Now whether this means enfeebles get redesigned (ideal) or slight modifications here and there to allow some but not all to be useful (what'll most likely end up happening), we'll have to wait and see. -
03-12-2012, 06:10 AMSpankWustler
My point is simple.
A group of players wanting something does not make it useful. Even the Development Bros wanting something does not make it useful. Being relatively effective at making monsters die and die horribly or making players live and live well makes something useful.
Red Mage has a very good foundation for casting Enhancing magic between native Fast Cast and Composure with the Empyrean armor enhancement. Giving the job more support spells to build on that foundation would make the job more useful in all environments.
People could choose whether to use something new or not. People could even use new spells for their own benefit, perhaps even on themselves while meleeing in Dynamis or old content. Imagine that.
Something new and usable on others doesn't have to be cast on four or five people, either. It could mean an incredibly potent spell that can only be kept on one person full-time, and even then, only through the aid of Composure and the Empyrean set. Just, please, let the caster choose the person.
There's a huge area to explore that is neither "WHM-LITE, LESS FILLING MORE REDDENING MORE MAGIC DAMAGE TAKEN." nor "I AM THE FIFTH WORST MELEE AND I HATE CURE IV!" and it surely contains things that would be useful and would lend more uniqueness to Red Mage. -
03-12-2012, 06:20 AMsaevelIt's their game, they can do whatever they want to with it. And seeing how they've reacted, or failed to react, to player feedback before, we can all be pretty damn sure their gonna do whatever it is they want to do. Whether you think it's worthwhile or not has absolutely zero bearing on that point.Quote:
How much they believe in their own goals doesn't make those goals worthwhile, and particularly does not indicate their means of accomplishing those goals are effective.
Their vision for Red Mage sounds completely ridiculous compared to how the job actually functions. The English version also sounded completely ridiculous compared to how the job actually functions, of course, but at least it had an optimistic glow about it.
The Japanese version implies that they think +25 of a base statistic and Temper are super-duper useful and job-defining and that Slow and Paralyze are as helpful now as they were in 2006 (the English version also implied this, but it's still dumb). Which, while not the least bit surprising, remains depressing.
So tell me, how does the job "actually function"? You mean ... Haste ... Cure IV ... Haste ... Cure IV ... Haste ... Cure IV ... Silena ... Cure IV? Wow those are spells that haven't changed a single bit since ... level 48 and every other job in the game can do just as well. You've basically defined RDM as a sub only, congrats. We're just wanting there to be more then ... Cure IV ... Haste ... Cure IV .. Haste ... Cure IV ... "unnamed spell" ... Haste ... Cure IV ... Haste. -
03-12-2012, 06:56 AMSpankWustlerThis is true enough. I don't think saying "Hey, middle-aged Japanese dude, your vision is probably pointless and your attempts to achieve it are definitely falling short. Also, put on some pants and stop putting those pens up your nose." is actually going to change anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by saevel
Cast Blizzard IV. Sleep stuff. Enfeeble stuff. And yeah, even melee when appropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by saevel
I do agree Red Mage has a lot of overlap with White Mage at the moment, probably even more than Scholar has with either job. I also think there are more far productive ways to differentiate the two than simply making Red Mage more less awful at hitting things with things. -
03-12-2012, 07:21 AMcidbahamutStop using this line of rhetoric. You are a terrible player if that's all you do as a mage, and you should feel bad about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by saevel
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03-12-2012, 06:51 PMByrth
I don't understand why a job has to be fun to be useful. Letting enhancing magic target other players doesn't mean you have to cast on them. You would still be free to only buff yourself, but you'd get kicked from the alliance for ignoring the obviously-more-valuable role you could be playing.
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03-13-2012, 01:11 AMSaiken253
This is, however, a game and should be fun, no?
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03-13-2012, 01:27 AMByrth
Then play it however you find fun. :D (and subsequently get kicked from the alliance for being worthless)
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03-13-2012, 03:53 AMDaniel_HatcherStill the easiest thing SE can do is Aura effects, I know SE said no, but that doesn't change the fact. Single target buffs for upto 6 people was not and will never be fun. Whatever you want for RDM personally you will never get away from the enhancing concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byrth
But Hey, SE love to:
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03-13-2012, 03:57 AMsaevelBecause it's a video game designed for entertainment. If I wanted to work then I'd stay at work, my time is valuable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byrth
That attitude is exactly why most of the pre-Abyssea RDM's have moved on to other jobs, better to have playing SAM/WAR/MNK/~insert job here~ then to be harassed playing RDM. The job was turned into a way to get gear for your other job, similar to what happened to BRD.
As I said before, at least your honest, you want the buffs so your mule can make your MNK better and so you can force others to make you better. -
03-13-2012, 04:15 AMsaevelExcept with how the above members vision the job you won't be casting Blizzard IV, you'll be casting Cure V, opps I mean Cure IV and three buffs per party member. Anything this would matter on is immune to sleep, gravity, bind, mostly immune to paralyze, and slow is only partially effective. The entire argument boils down to "Play a level 50 WHM with more MP".Quote:
Cast Blizzard IV. Sleep stuff. Enfeeble stuff. And yeah, even melee when appropriate.
I do agree Red Mage has a lot of overlap with White Mage at the moment, probably even more than Scholar has with either job. I also think there are more far productive ways to differentiate the two than simply making Red Mage more less awful at hitting things with things.
For DH's comment about not getting away from "enhancing" I reply, what enhancing. The only buffs people every asked for was haste and refresh, that is the exact limit of "enhancing" two spells. It wasn't until SCH was made that RDM could actually put some of it's enhancing spells on others via the /SCH JA's. And to this day people still aren't answering me when I ask them if they want one of those buffs. And the absolute funniest part is how broke enspell 1's were due to their Mag.acc being on hit, so even if you aoe'd them everyone would be hitting for 1~3. SCH's complained and SE went out and changed Enspell 1s, not for RDM but for SCH.
You guys have this idea that RDM was somehow this party support job when it never was close. It had haste, cure IV and convert, which meant put together you could create a haste-cure-bot out of a player. It made it preferable for non-stop merit party's and nothing else. RDM's one HNM use was it's 2hr + stun, and this is when enfeebles actually landed on big NMs. There was a time when RDM could tank HNMs, but SE ended that. So please tell us exactly how RDM was an "enhancing job" and why we're all crazy for thinking it's not? -
03-13-2012, 04:26 AMNeisan_Quetz
Then why the hell were you on Rdm if you weren't supporting the party at least part of the time? No, seriously, what the hell were you doing at 75 cap? Debuffs don't take a long time to apply and reapply. I wasn't a whm, but I sure as hell was helping to support the party. your notion of support only seems to apply to cor/brd buffs.
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03-13-2012, 05:17 AMDaniel_HatcherTwo spells that had the biggest impact, Refresh on mages Haste on Melee.Quote:
Originally Posted by saevel
My opinion on RDM's other enhancing spells is clear, they should be able to be put on party members but I don't want Cycles back.
Like it or not it is the RDM's job to Haste and Refresh the party, if SE didn't want that they'd have done them self buffs only. I'm not telling you main heal but if you have a WHM there what is the issue with keeping Haste and Refresh up where needed? Save the WHM a job and help on MP.
As for the enspell thing I never said SE actually used their brain to think logically if they did then they'd just help with RDM keeping up it's (player picked) role while allowing time in between to do what you want, whether that be Melee or Nuking via Aura and longer duration naturally. This image will stay with RDM now, the same as Blink tanking with NIN when it wasn't originally designed that way... So rather than do nothing improve on that while keeping it's other roles possible. -
03-13-2012, 06:20 AMsaevelA BLU/RDM can now do the same thing, a BLM/RDM, BRD/RDM, WHM/RDM, SCH/RDM, SMN/RDM, even a DRK/RDM can do that just as well. You've fit the job into a sub. And more cycles are exactly what this thread is about, by people who have no intention of actually casting those cycles but instead want to make their mule or PUG player do it.Quote:
Like it or not it is the RDM's job to Haste and Refresh the party, if SE didn't want that they'd have done them self buffs only. I'm not telling you main heal but if you have a WHM there what is the issue with keeping Haste and Refresh up where needed? Save the WHM a job and help on MP.
RDM was put into the "support" category back in 2003. Their "job" was to refresh the WHM, BLM and PLD. We didn't earn the name "refresh whore" for nothing. It wasn't until 2004 when the game was expanding and WHM's were rare that RDM's were asked to main heal. Post 41 a RDM with refresh and convert could keep themselves going almost indefinitely but it wasn't until 50 that a RDM could actually main heal on their own. And even then having just one RDM was too little for XP at that time. Post ToAU is when RDM as a "all in one party support B****" became a standard as players had figured out how important haste was and that march's and haste spells turned DD's into killing machines. It became a game of filling as much offensive power into as few slots as possible, there was no need for the WHM if a RDM could do the healing, and no need for a BLM in a melee TP burn. That was where your, and everyone else's idea of a "RDM's job" came from, ToAU bird parties. The job lacks the fundamental requirements to fit into any specialized roles, sub-par healing, sub-par nuking, sub-par melee and sub-par buffing. Or to put it another way, any "support" you want from a RDM could better be filled by a WHM or BRD. Heck a BRD/RDM can not only give you march's and ballads, they can give you Haste, Refresh and Cure IV.
SE gave RDM haste at 48 because it was a white magic spell, one WHM got at 40, its the same reason SE gave RDM's Sleep I / II, Tier III & IV nukes. The same reason they gave DRK's Tier II & III nukes. The only other target-able spell that is unique to RDM is refresh & refresh II. Now your "support job" argument is down to two spells that don't stack with each other and only restore MP. -
03-13-2012, 07:18 AMcidbahamutStop saying this. It doesn't add anything to the conversation and isn't true. We know who frequents the Red Mage sub-forum because they actually bother to play Red Mage and these suggestions often come from those people. You know, people who actually play Red Mage. On their main account, and not as a mule. So please, stop tossing about this idea that anyone who suggests something you personally don't like is only doing it to beef up their pocket RDM mule, because let's be honest, those kinds of people all use pocket white mages.Quote:
Originally Posted by saevel
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03-13-2012, 07:23 AMZerich
I've never seen a useful RDM in an aby pt. Even with an Almace, they are a waste of space. Prove. Me. Wrong.
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03-13-2012, 07:28 AMDaniel_HatcherThe same is true of SCH, DRK and many other jobs where Abyssea is concerned. Seriously, your post adds little to the topic, same with melee talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerich
RDM will forever be ignored when topics on a set subject is always derailed.
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03-13-2012, 07:52 AMZerichcool story bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher
i was responding to the original topic, show me one rdm who can 1-2 shot a mob...
and you must be playing with some pretty gimp-tastic SCH's, if that's your POV.
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03-13-2012, 07:58 AMsaevelI one shot mobs all the time in Abyssea <.< CDC is crit ya know. And depending what the definition of "two shot" is we can do that also with Nukes. Abyssea is kinda the land of big numbers, things work differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerich
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03-13-2012, 07:59 AMByrth
RDM was my first 75. I played it for countless hours in stupid birds meripos, Salvage, Dynamis, other LS events etc. It wasn't particularly fun, but there was a certain satisfaction that I got from appropriately managing my MP so that I would finish burning through it exactly as Convert came back up. "Can I Dia III this monster, or should it be Dia II? What does my timer look like?" It was fun, but the kind of fun that I could get burned out on after a few hours.
RDM was also my best melee job for a long time, so I took it out farming stuff when I had to. My BLM was more efficient for chaining high level monsters (like Aura Statues for Diorites or Aw'Aerns for Ix'DRG/DRK), but my RDM was great for stuff like Hakutaku Eyes, scrolls, coffer keys, whatever. I had a pretty respectable melee TP/WS set for it at the time.
Did I waste time sitting there wishing SE would rewrite all the damage formulas or give me incredibly strong JAs/spells to compensate for the fact that my job had no compelling reason to be on the front line in a group? No, I didn't. My job had a use and was desired in a time when FFXI's endgame was very heavily driven by job stigmas and it wasn't nearly as easy to level/gear a new one as it is now.
Fast forwards 24 levels. My RDM is level 91 and I have leveled jobs from 50 to 99 before bringing it to an xp party. Why? Because even if I got it to 99, I wouldn't have a use for it. I don't need a mediocre melee to farm zone drops with anymore. I have Dancer. I don't need any of RDM's party advantages (if they exist). My mule has WHM for lowman and no one would ever ask me to go RDM to a real event because it just isn't very useful.
You want to be some kind of magey-meleey sword-swinging pimphat-wearing hobo that incorporates all of SE's poorly formed/translated ideas from the last 10 years, even though several of them have been assigned to since-created jobs or poorly implemented already? Well, good luck with that. Personally, I'd be happy if SE just gave me justification to level it to 99.