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10-04-2011, 07:38 AMFrankReynolds
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10-04-2011, 07:40 AMOlorQuote:
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Um, don't care about your post but Lagunitas is YUMMY! -
10-04-2011, 01:50 PMMightyg
So am I wrong to get from this thread that while the patch was good and all, what people want is actual new content and not just adjustments? More serious investment in the game?
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10-04-2011, 10:53 PMGreatguardian
Pretty much. But telling that to the Com team and the Dev team isn't really going to do much of anything. You (general case) don't think Tanaka-san or any of the developers actually have the authority to hire additional personnel, do you?
The gaming industry is just that - an industry. The developers and staff don't choose what resources they can and can't put into the game. They are given resources and then told to go make miracles happen with them. I have little doubt that our Development staff is working overtime trying to do the work of a fulltime staff with only a skeleton crew, and things like the introduction of the Test server at this point in the game really point to how backed up their work queue must be.
The only people who can add development resources are the people holding the purse-strings over at SE corporate HQ. The problem is that there's no sure way to get them to do that. Business executives are not concerned with the quality of a product, they are concerned with making the product sell for the highest profit margin. If people continue to pay for a FFXI updated by an extremely overworked skeleton crew, then they will continue to overwork (and probably underpay, as is also common in the industry) that skeleton crew. If people stop paying for a FFXI updated by a skeleton crew, then they will probably just scrap whatever resources are left in the project entirely.
Essentially, if you want more development resources, then you'll have to convince Scrooge McDuck directly (as the Com team can't really pass things on to them) that reinvesting in this game is a good financial investment for reasons more palpable than "Better quality is good". The Com team and the Dev team? These are people who care about the quality of the game. They love the game so much that they are willing to put up with all this bullshit from their bosses and still work their asses off trying to develop this game with what they have available to them. The Exec staff and Finance dept? No. They really, absolutely, 100% do not give a shit about video games. They care about their bottom line and that's it.
And that bottom line? FFXI has been steadily losing subscribers for years, regardless of the quality of updates. Making more existing subscribers happy doesn't do anything for the bottom line if they are still unable to attract new customers. They never advertised in the EU or NA regions even when the game was brand new. Why would they try investing in broadening the userbase of their decade-old game now? It certainly doesn't help that FFXIV was such a hugely hyped flop, and you still have idiots like Adam Sessler who spend 30 minutes getting to level 8, get killed fighting a VT bunny in La Theine, and give the game a shit review on US TV because he can't believe he got killed by a bunny (hurrr durrrrrrrr /check function).
This game has very little exposure in the US and the EU compared to other MMOs, and the little exposure SE MMOs have had has been horrendous. As much as I would love to see additional resources devoted to this game, I just don't see how it would happen. -
10-06-2011, 09:09 AMVolkaihttp://jpbutton.bluegartr.com/?p=718Quote:
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10-07-2011, 04:46 AMRaxiaz
Wait, we got Tanaka back? The same guy who thought it'd be enticing to make desirable drops from monsters which spawn at max twice a week (that have other mobs that could spawn in place of them, no less) have a 0.08% drop rate which increases at the rate of +0.0001% per level of treasure hunter active on the monster at ToD??? When did this happen? Lemme guess, when the trials were made for 50 of an item from a headache-to-get-to monster to be turned in for 1 more damage on a weapon? Or was it when we got Voidwatch? I'm sorry, why did we get him back? Is it because he did a horrible job with FFXIV, one that was more bluntly obvious than FFXI's first 6 years?
I'm ashamed to be playing this game again. I expect to see unfathomable goals to be construed by SE and expected by them for the playerbase to hope to achieve.
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10-07-2011, 06:46 AMGreatguardian
He never left.
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10-07-2011, 12:32 PMRaxiaz
I could've sworn FFXI had a change of producers or directors back in fall '10... switched like twice within 2 months didn't it?
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10-07-2011, 12:33 PMNeisan_Quetz
Directors.
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10-07-2011, 12:34 PMRaxiaz
Well damn.
What's the difference between directors and producers again? Who has more authority than the other? >_> -
10-07-2011, 01:17 PMnoodles355
What does it matter on their different roles? The simple fact is that Tanaka never left as producer. The Directors changed, but Tanaka stayed producer this whole time.
And yet, people bitch and whine all day *** long about how it's so terrible having him back, about how he's ruining the game, and it was better when he wasn't producer.
Good job. You're slandering the poor guy for no *** reason. If you think the change in direction of FFXI is related to the change in directors, then feel free to go balls to the wall against the new director, but Tanaka isn't the director.
You should all be *** ashamed of yourselves to be honest. You did no reasearch on the running of FFXI, saw someone state incorrectly that Tanaka has returned (whereas in fact he never left) and all jumped on the *** hate-filled bandwagon looking for some sort of scapegoat.
You even had people like GreatGuardian state over and over again that Tanaka was always producer, yet people still continue to slag him off and say it's "his return that's ruining the game!!!".
It's appalling really. Multiple topics about Tanaka when in fact all that hatred was directed at completely the wrong person. -
10-07-2011, 05:19 PMAtomic_SkullThe one that's actually making money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
MMOs with less subscribers than FFXI still get expansions. FFXI's subscription base is still respectable for a non WoW MMO.Quote:
Pretty sure there's not enough players for XI nor development cost to justify a release of real expansion packs.
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10-07-2011, 07:43 PMRunespiderFFIX is still in the top 5? monthly sub MMOs out there without a chinese playerbase. It's a very profitable game and with any other company running it there would be far more expansions coming out and better updates. The reason it's being starved is due to more resources being poured into XIV and nothing else. It has a big playerbase and a makes a lot of money for the company.Quote:
Pretty sure there's not enough players for XI nor development cost to justify a release of real expansion packs.
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10-08-2011, 12:04 PMZirael
About 25-30% of posts never get translated into EN. Sometimes we miss out on some interesting bits. From last 2 days:
Additional information regarding Treasure Hunter:
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Originally Posted by Mocchi
Mr Yoju Fujito from Dev Team asking for feedback regarding Xbox360 freezes in Voidwatch:
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Originally Posted by Yoji_Fujito
Voidwatch, future of climbing Voidwatch paths, Heavy Metal:
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Originally Posted by Mocchi
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10-09-2011, 03:37 AMRaxiazYou're annoying. You won't even answer a basic question. You're as bad as the people badmouthing Tanaka, if not worse because you're blindly defending him.Quote:
Originally Posted by noodles355
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10-09-2011, 01:24 PMnoodles355
I wont answer the question for 2 reasons:
1) I dont know, and dont care enough about the topic to look it up.
2) It's irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make.
My issue this whole time has been saying "The directors have changed and tanaka is back and it's terrible because the game is going to hell!" thinking Tanaka was the director, and that he quit and came back, wheas in fact he was the producer and has been here all the time.
I'm defending him because you, and everyone else who my post addresses have no basis for your stance against him. I'm not defending him as a person because of the oh so great things he has done. I could give a damn. I'm defending him being blamed for this new direction change because people mistakenly thought he was the director, recently came back and thus it's because of that that the game is now headed in the direction it is.
You know what this shit boils down to? People saying shitty Voidwatch drops are because of Tanaka's return. People ignore the fact that New Dynamis came around the same time and by this forum's standards is very un-Tanaka'ish. They also ignore the fact that Tanaka was here throughout the whole of abyssea, more un-Tanaka content, or that the new WoE is also very un-Tanaka'ish content (As stated multiple times: people complaining about coin drops are doing the wrong flux).
If Tanaka really was away, and now he truely has returned, and it's his return that brought about crappy drop systems and low drop rates like Voidwatch, then please explain to me Walk of Echoes and Dynamis, which were revamped around the same time, and have very good drop rates? -
10-09-2011, 11:02 PMRaxiaz
Well it doesn't matter either way. He's back in full force and that's my argument - don't care if he "never left."
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10-10-2011, 06:07 AMnoodles355
But you can't prove how much or little involvement he had in abyssea, and that's that. There is no proof whatsoever that he wasn't pulling the strings with abyssea as well.
The only "proof" people have of his "return" (not real proof) is that the empy95 trial and voidwatch are more tanakaish updates. Well concidering the dev team said they were going to balance the cost/effort of relics, mythics and empyreans, they have done that pretty damn well. As for voidwatch, all I can say is you're calling out one event. I can do that too: New dynamis. Released around the same time as voidwatch. Very casual. Very good drops. By your standards very un-tanakaish. -
10-10-2011, 09:00 PMSeriha
Sorry, but 100% devotion to XIV 2 years ago or so, XI suddenly getting its best year like... ever, and then a dramatic crash once pulled is just way too suspicious. He may have come in on the tail end of Abyssea, but since it's not like this stuff is done overnight, him bucking an established system for draconian MMO policies would've had some definite backlash. Instead, we get Voidwatch, WoE drop rates, 1500 heavy metal plates, and scroll acquisition issues that pretty much nobody is happy with.
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10-11-2011, 12:31 AMnoodles355You mentioned scroll drop rates twice there. WoE drop rates are only an issue regarding scrolls. It's retardely easy to get coins, and the drop rate for dice isn't too terrible. 1500 metal plates is to balance out relics/empyreans/mythics in terms of effort/reward. I am not saying I agree with it, I am parroting the dev team's intention. Secondly, someone has already made a 95 Almace, just throwing that out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seriha
Hey Seriha, do you know what event got revamped around the same time as they introduced Voidwatch? That's right, Dynamis. Dynamis has such terrible drop rates as well... i mean in 2 hours with just myself and my whm mule I'll get like 4~ Relic -1s, 5~ Relic Accessories, and 150~ currancy. That's a terrible drop rate. By "timing" of his return alone, he is just as responsible for dynamis as he is for voidwatch.
If you want an explanation to the contrary, how about the gear progressions we were getting before abyssea - had they carried on at the exact same progression, along with the non-abyssea exp parties, it would have made the transition from 75 to 99 a very big chore and take a very long time. Abyssea seems more like transitional period to help the player base jump from the 75 cap to the 99 cap. It is just as plausible that Tanaka was the mastermind behind this transitional "get everyone up there quickish" addition, as it is plausible that he had absolutely no input on abyssea whatsoever.
In the end, the simple fact is you, me and everyone else here doesn't have any idea and can't prove either way just how much input tanaka has or had throughout all of pre-abyssea, abyssea, and post-abyssea. You don't know the inner working of SE. And because you can not prove it either way, you should not be blaming him alone.
Tanaka: "Guilty until proven innocent". Glad you guys don't run the justice system in my country. -
10-11-2011, 12:37 AMnoodles355
Also, to all you whiney cry babies complaining that FFXI is going back to it's old ways and how that's so terrible: If you don't like the old ways, if you didn't like them back then and you dont now, then why the hell are you still playing? Go play something easier like WoW or Hello Kitty. I seriously don't understand "FFXI was so terrible and long and hard before abyssea wah wah", if it was so terribad then why were you playing?
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10-11-2011, 12:54 AMGreatguardian
More like, if people liked Abyssea, why make 50 billion page threads all over the god damn forums about how much you hate Abyssea and how CoP was the pinnacle of MMO devleopment?
Retarded posers are retarded. -
10-11-2011, 01:16 AMSeriha
"Hey all you whiners, go quit so the game can get worse for those who stay behind with an even smaller budget and lesser community voice!"
Stamp, priss, and kvetch about this is all some farce of a trial if it makes you feel better, but at best, in correlation anyone with a strong opinion (let's face it, negative vastly outweigh the positive here and on multiple boards where you've had people tell you to basically stfu), they wouldn't be suitable jurors. And an honest to goodness trial would ideally have better access to the paper trail that'd basically confirm or deny everything that's being said.
In the end, the FFXI of 2011 isn't as popular and loved as the FFXI of 2010. Why? Well, it's not like we aren't throwing reasons out there. SE's free to ignore them at their peril. -
10-11-2011, 01:23 AMCrystalWeapon
I think it's just a result of people bitching for harder content. Though, the number of posts from the staff and the amount of positive responses has dwindled drastically from earlier in the year.
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10-11-2011, 01:28 AMNeisan_Quetz
Well, if you quit the game, you won't be caring about it as much anymore, just saying.
If you quit and still care well, maybe it's best you reevaluate why you quit in the first place if you're just going to keep coming back. -
10-11-2011, 02:44 AMSeriha
Either way, the "hate" is basically a why behind the why and people naturally trying to snuff out the root of a problem. I doubt the art or sound guys are responsible, nor those who handle making cut-scenes. Could try to skip past the producer/director level and blame the money, but I doubt what comes comes with the overly specific condition of making drop rates and progression miserable. Someone somewhere approved this, and last I checked, people wanting their money's worth out of a product isn't a crime.
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10-11-2011, 02:49 PMnoodles355
All that doesn't explain why you're blaming everything on one man without any actual proof whatsoever that he did the stuff you disapprove of, or that he didn't do the stuff you approve of.
Yeah, I've been told to shut up on 2 different forums. Do you know who by? People who can't actually answer my questions and justify their hate at Tanaka. Essentially it has always gone:
Guy: Tanaka is the devil.
Me: Why.
Guy: he did XYZ and changed ABC.
Me: Proof?
Guy: It just seems like what he'd do.
Me: Proof?
Guy: Shut up! It's obviously him!
Me: Proof?
Guy: Omg shut up and go away QQ
And yet again you, Seriha, are another example of this head-in-the-sand mentality upon being confronted. You still haven't answered my questions. Let me post them again for you:
1) If you dislike FFXI now, which is "like old FFXI before abyssea", then that suggests you disliked old FFXI. If you disliked it enough to make you post crying and complaining about it, then why did you play at all? If it was so terrible why did you quit?
2) You keep blaming Tanaka for the changes. Why? You have absolutely no proof whatsoever about how much involvement he had with both the recent patch, and also with the abyssea patches. You, me, and everyone who doesn't work at SE can not prove it either way. Am I saying Tanaka was completely responsible for abyssea? No. I'm not saying what tanaka was responsible for. Do you know why? Because I don't know and short of SE telling us, there is no way to know. I'm mature enough to accept that. I dont need to use the man as a scapegoat to have a little cry about my massochistic relationship with a video game. I'm using the sensible and mature view of "Innocent until proven guilty". Why aren't you? -
10-11-2011, 04:46 PMSeriha
I see a genre that's meant to grow and evolve, ideally toward the wants of its players and not take giant steps backward. Why don't you?
Overall, you wouldn't give a damn about my reasons for sticking around. Though, I'm sure you'll take delight in the knowledge I may very well pack my bags if current trends continue. And I doubt I'll be alone. Like I said, SE can do what it does at its own peril, but possible bodies responsible aren't this giant mystery you want us to believe. So, hey, bring your own proof to the contrary. It's not like the rest of us don't have the history of the game, dodged questions, and fanfest shenanigans to pull from to paint an ugly picture with. -
10-11-2011, 06:18 PMnoodles355Who said I didn't? Where, anywhere through this, have I stated my opinion on whether pre-abyssea, abyssea it's self, or post-abyssea were good or bad directions? I haven't. That's just you assuming I do because I am arguing against you. I'll state it one more time for you: I don't agree or disagree (or rather: whether I do or not is my own buisness, which I haven't publicised) with new content, drop rates, direction changes, or anything like that. My issue has been with you taking out all the thigns you don't like on one man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seriha
Actually I couldn't give a rats ass about whether you keep playing or not. That's your buisness. Your playing or not playing wont affect me in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seriha
Great mystery? No. I said you can't prove anything and thus you shouldn't put all your frustrations on one man. There is really no argument here, you are simply in the wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seriha
Do you have a selective reading disability? If so forgive me, but I believe I have posted (more than once) that you can't prove it either way. Thus if I said "It's not tanaka's fault" it is just as justified as your "It's tanaka's fault". But here's the kicker (get ready): I have never said it wasn't tanaka's fault. I have always said you can't prove it either way. You can't be justified in putting the blame on him, nor can you be justified for trying to white knight and say it's not because of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seriha
It's not my fault if you decide to make believe things such as I think the game is going in a better direction and that abyssea was solely tanaka's doing. I have never posted anything like that - that is purely you assuming because I'm arguing against your point of view.
What you don't realise is that I'm someone without a publicised opinion saying both arguments (That it's tanaka's fault, and that it's nothing to do with Tanaka) are poor and unfounded because you can't prove it either way. Just because there's 100% of the arguers siding on "It's tanaka's fault" and 0% siding on "It's nothing to do with him", is irrelevant - I still haven't taken a side (because you shouldn't - there's no proof, as I have said a million times.) -
10-12-2011, 10:18 PMSakura317
I open a blog to translate Community reps and Developpers post.
Here.
I post two of them, one of producer Tanaka's today's post, and other is Mocchi's post on a BLM thread.
It is not official translation, so please [read only]!
I hope this page alleviate of the work of poor Kamate! -
10-13-2011, 12:56 AMFrankReynoldsIt is still pretty hard to understand, but something is better than nothing. thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sakura317
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10-13-2011, 01:17 AMCrystalWeaponAppreciate the effort, but you might be better off making a thread for your translations. It's easier to find that way. Reinheart does something similar for the ffxiv forums and it's a godsend. Here's his thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sakura317
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10-13-2011, 03:14 AMDeadvintaLol. You're telling forum-goers to have shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by noodles355
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10-13-2011, 06:57 AMSakura317I'm afraid that my translation might be apart from the devloppers intention.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrystalWeapon
So I'd like to be treated my translation as "unofficial" and only "referene".
(I don't like that my "unofficial" translation becomes the base of discussion.)
So I open my translation on my blog first.
If SE doesn't claim me that unofficial translation should not be released, I'll write on this forum.
(I find the relationship between developpers and users on FF14 forum is better than the one on FF11 forum...) -
10-13-2011, 09:59 AMnoodles355すごい！ありがとうございますSakura317さん。日本語よむはむずかしい。＿。Quote:
Originally Posted by Sakura317
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10-13-2011, 09:20 PMSakura317Hey Zirael,Quote:
Originally Posted by Zirael
I translate Dev Fujito's post.
It is very important post for XBOX users, but it is shame not to be translated to other languages...
I wait for 1 week English speaking reps post translation, but nothing...so I translate it.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...on-6th-October