Lack of content and another level increase looming

I'm not too worried. Once upon a time, people were freaking out about the bird camp becoming obsolete when the 75-80 cap was announced, because they were worried about getting their 40k/hr exp. We all know how that played out. The thing I'd really like to see is an update to salvage though. They've got a nice event already designed with gear that alot of people have always wanted, but the zones literally sit empty because nobody wants to bother with the assault points and minimum party size. It's pretty redic that they made changes to dynamis and let salvage rot, considering people were still actually doing dynamis.

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Originally Posted by Michae

The fatigue system (which punished u for playing too long) is gone as of patch 1.18 and the maps are being rebooted to look less cut and paste and more unique than they currently are. They fired the orig xiv team and replaced it with ppl from xi and some others. We are finally getting chocos and airships in the next update and they are intriducing the job system. Major changes have been done to the game and are currently in the works which have already made the game alot more playable. SE is notorious for cut and paste anyway, look around xi, its major cut and paste. The biggest example being any aby zone lol.

As for xiv being the reason for aby....I personally think its more likely se is trying to rush everyone thru the game so they can reduce the amount of servers and get ppl to move on. I mean come on, taking away the lvl cap for CoP, introducing summons u can only get after completeing toau, and coming soon wotg with cait sith and atomos, its an obvious ploy to get ppl to finish those expansions quickly. They said they would give a year warning before they shut down their servers but that would cost them too much I'm sure. And ppl can say what they will but its just my personal opinion. FFXI is dying and there is nothing we can do. Sad really, Ive invested alot of time in that game over the years and now I dont bother to log in except to chat with my ls....whats left of it anyway since most ppl already jumped ship

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No matter how well they fix it it will never get the first try back. From the first review on every game site or mag with bring up the fail of the launch. With the CnB crap and crsyta having to buy more(one of the biggest issues for the reviewers after content) many won't try it over that. On top of other game that have been surorted better over the years and new games coming that might even challenge WoW if done right and will crush FF14 since no one but SE can mess up that bad.

I asume they are banking on the ps3 release to save the game but I don't see 450k ps3 users rushing out to grab it(new users not those that have it already). Just look on here people are flat out refusing to buy any SE titles. If this had been anyother comapy they would had cut thier loss and ran. Fact many have. So many choices out now between MMORPGs and online muti-player options in single player games.

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As for xiv being the reason for aby....I personally think its more likely se is trying to rush everyone thru the game so they can reduce the amount of servers and get ppl to move on. I mean come on, taking away the lvl cap for CoP, introducing summons u can only get after completeing toau, and coming soon wotg with cait sith and atomos, its an obvious ploy to get ppl to finish those expansions quickly. They said they would give a year warning before they shut down their servers but that would cost them too much I'm sure. And ppl can say what they will but its just my personal opinion. FFXI is dying and there is nothing we can do. Sad really, Ive invested alot of time in that game over the years and now I dont bother to log in except to chat with my ls....whats left of it anyway since most ppl already jumped ship

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I don't really understand what they are doing with FFXI currently but yes it does come across that they were trying to let everyone finish their goals in FFXI and cap all they wanted to do easily so they could move onto FFXIV, boring players and making everythihg super fast while adding nothing of value to do. I really don't think it will work they way they want it to though, FFXIV just is not a serious MMO to move onto and probably won't be for a long time.

With proper care I could see myself carying on playing FFXI for a long time, the way the game is now and how utterly bored I am (never been this bored in 7 years of playing). I am looking for other MMO's, once I find one I think i'll be done. FFXI is just way too boring thesedays, I liked Abyssea but I dislike how they are running the game so cheaply now and not taking advantage of the leveling cap increases at all. I don't mind making old content obsolete, I mind when they leave a vacume and don't add anything to fill it.

keep up the good work SE thank you for all the great fun for the past 9 years love the game some ppl just dont want to say anything good at all what would they be doing if ffxi was not here playing WOW lol gl to all and have fun.


ps iv been playing 9 years and i dont think i can not find somthing to do thank you SE

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Originally Posted by Tagrineth

It has plenty. Tonatiuh Axe, Rancor Collar, Deluxe Animator, the Radiant Mails, the materials used to make the "NQ" Radiant Mails, Tefnut Wand, Strendu Ring, Ganesha's Mask...

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The only good thing about Deluxe Animator is the fact that it's easier and cheaper to obtain then the Animator +1... for now.
Unless the DA has another hidden effect on par with Tactical Processor, it's not really that good... (*hint* Camata)

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Originally Posted by Francisco

They were flipping out before they even knew how to get it.

PW... really? How many monks had access to a Hachiryu body? My LS was the first and (I believe) only group to kill PW on Alexander. I know some shells on other servers killed it a few times - but it wasn't really going down very often.

Also, I remember a bunch of people demanding SE fix E.Body and Ridill...

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Preciely the amount of person having access to hachiryu body matters because it bring goals for the most dedicated players. The reason you didn't see many compaints is because the ratio difficulty/reward was acceptable compared to sky gear or salvage gear. Right now you don't have this. And the result is people crying about lack of content. And no JP always kill it first.

I'm sure some where in the topic someone has pointed out before but there is a ton of content in the game. Over 300 quest lines and missions, various low to mid level bcnms, various nms outside of abyssea whose drops are worthwhile, crafting as a whole can be done with only a lvl 30 job(ask Ctownwoody) tons and tons of locations and scenery to explore, chocobo raising, gardening, harvesting, etc. The content is there your just looking past it.

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Originally Posted by Rekin

I'm sure some where in the topic someone has pointed out before but there is a ton of content in the game. Over 300 quest lines and missions, various low to mid level bcnms, various nms outside of abyssea whose drops are worthwhile, crafting as a whole can be done with only a lvl 30 job(ask Ctownwoody) tons and tons of locations and scenery to explore, chocobo raising, gardening, harvesting, etc. The content is there your just looking past it.

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So true...these things are still around and are still fun to do :)

An MMO is an online environment...as such, there is more to do there than just endgame stuff, no need to ignore old content just because it's not as challenging.

I'd like to think that with their talk of introducing a test server that the worry of lack of content will be the thing of the past. However with all these issues with changing of payment plans and such it does look pretty grim if next month the population is reduced in half.

It's pretty careless of SE to force this upon people who have been playing for years and expecting them to deal with it, even though they do say it's for more safety, for those who have had no issues or even purchased security tokens for extra security feel as if there is no need to change something if it ain't broke.

Though back on topic, ya I think test servers should help with the issue of content since their objective with test servers is to allow a means to produce content faster so instead of these 3 months in between with a mini-update we may be seeing monthly updates and such.

Though what really disappointed me is how lazy this "news" "udpate" was. The last level update notice we got was so much more informed and interesting. http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics...91/detail.html

I feel like this news update just treats us like idiots lol. The way it's worded it's like they needed a certain character limit in order to publish it, like seriously
"A new limit break quest will be added, the completion of which will unlock levels 91 and above.　The level cap increase will be accompanied by an assortment of new job abilities, job traits, and magic spells."

Cause by now we have no idea what a limit break does? It just strikes me odd how they reinforce the level cap being raised by saying it'll be raised to 95 which means you'll be able to go from 91-95. Oh really I thought a 95 level cap meant I'd be able to go to level 99.

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So true...these things are still around and are still fun to do :)

An MMO is an online environment...as such, there is more to do there than just endgame stuff, no need to ignore old content just because it's not as challenging.

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The issue people have with previous content is the lack of reward for the effort put into it. Pankration has beastmen hats that improve taking pictures but that's it. besieged and Brenner have el zilcho. Choco raising has the neat racing body pieces but since there isn't anything that offers an increase in battling ability only those that like how they look will really look into it or those who like the challenge of choco racing/raising. Gardening was pretty much killed by abyssea since it's main souce of usability came from ele ores but with gold chest dropping them like candies along with random NMs the need for gardening was severly diminished. Crafting itself doesn't see much use aside from the expendable items, gear isn't as sought out as it use to be since for the most part abyssea armor and weapons can trump it along with magian trials.

While synergy tried to save crafting it really isn't enough to make it viable except for vanity purposes. I think that's the main issue, most side activities only offer vanity rewards nothing battle worthy even if it's a slight boost. Like what would be the harm of adding a neck piece in pankration that offered the most STR. Perhaps you know make something fun out of it, like in the sense of fish ranking or choco racing perhaps you could have a weekly season in which players compete for first place and the one with the best win/lost ratio (only counting fights that are deemed fair aka the same monster level range) will recieve the STR neck piece or something like that. I mean seriously so many people would be competing and working their asses off in an attempt to earn the best STR neck piece in the game, at least on the melee side. perhaps instead of just adding one reward the winner can choose a reward from the following choices of melee/mage/tank so everyone would have a reason to pankration.

Finally last thing that pops into mind is MMM, which was basically killed by abyssea xp, while the fishing MMM can still be done for the rings overall their is a severe oversight on the team not to utilize MMM like they could. There is so much potential in it that it's quite depressing that they pretty much just tossed it aside like the evolith system which as it stands now SE should just write a formal apology for adding in a game concept that was so horrible they had to use trials of the magian to overshadow their awful mistake lol.

While sure some events can just be done for the fun of it, after a while just doing things for the fun of it isn't worth it if you can't at least get something to show off for your dedication of said activity.

SE needs to give incentives for individuals who complete quests among other things. Stuff like Pankration is there but no one is going to waste time when others aren't participating and it boils down to getting some beastmen hats that could be crafted at any time through normal means.

The reward system started in ACP would be a great example to follow.

For instance, if an individual were to complete all BCNMs you'd be given a piece of armor (light, plate, cloth) that you could then add augments to in order to suit your particular needs. Tack on a title like "God/dess of the Burning Circle" for a bonus reward and you've just given individuals a new long term goal that anyone could participate in.

MMM? Same deal. Add gear to the marble rewards and you'd see interest spread. All it requires is the effort be worth the hunt.

Powerful items don't have to come from doing the hardest content but should reward individuals who diversify what they do when logged into XI.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Preciely the amount of person having access to hachiryu body matters because it bring goals for the most dedicated players. The reason you didn't see many compaints is because the ratio difficulty/reward was acceptable compared to sky gear or salvage gear. Right now you don't have this. And the result is people crying about lack of content. And no JP always kill it first.

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Sky and salvage gear was never really hard to get, if you were dedicated to it.

Hachiryu body is completely irrelevant for the same reason Ninurta's Sash was for NIN. Great if you can get it - but no one expects it, and 99% of players had no chance of ever getting a sniff of either of those items. Basically for MNK, full Usukane with Black Belt was "top gear".

The only challenge to salvage gear was having a group, and having patience.

I'm not talking about people being mad that Tantra is too easy to obtain. I'm talking about people who went into the initial level cap raise (75-80) with the mindset of "they better not replace Usukane/E.Body/Byakko's"...

Heck, a lot of people were mad at the level increase to begin with because "I'm done leveling".

The level cap increase to 80 didn't change a lot about what equipment we wore... added some decent weapons (G.Axe from that sandworm), macro pieces (Heafoc), and a few miscellany pieces (Bullwhip, Owleyes)... but nothing groundbreaking.

Level 85 added the first significant changes in equipment with 85 Emps, some AF3+2 and some accessories. Most of the people were in awe over the gear - but some threw a temper tantrum over not being the best anymore. And this is all before we knew how to obtain the upgrade items, how many were needed, and how difficult they were.

Pretty sure people were mad at the onset when a full set of Perle was going to outperform the gear they'd been working for years to obtain.

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Pretty sure people were mad at the onset when a full set of Perle was going to outperform the gear they'd been working for years to obtain.

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Perle never outperformed anything top notch. Ever.

It got close to outperforming DRG's other gearsets, but Walahra/Ares body/Dusk hands/Homam/Homam > Perle. And you could upgrade hands to Dusk+1. Everyone else had Walahra/???/Dusk/Byakko/Dusk+1(or any variety of haste feets), and as long as you had Byakko's Haidate nothing else came close to that set. Walmart hat+Dusk+Byakko is the same amount of haste in 3 slots as Perle is in 5.

Just saying, Perle has always been pretty much crap. Only good for new players.

There was a LOT of complaing in previous XI updates from the XIV userbase, the really low key way they have been doing updates the last month or two shows they took notice. Only reason I can see for how horribly low key and un-exciting this stuff is now.

I think I'm less excited about FFXI after reading this stupid update note than before.

I imagine they're waiting for the final level cap before really adding the endgame content. Or they may be planning to add quests or something to make the old content part of the new endgame. I kind of wish they'd start working on a FFXI-2 or something so they could add new regions. I know 14 has improved, but the flexibility of job change is what I like most.

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I imagine they're waiting for the final level cap before really adding the endgame content. Or they may be planning to add quests or something to make the old content part of the new endgame. I kind of wish they'd start working on a FFXI-2 or something so they could add new regions. I know 14 has improved, but the flexibility of job change is what I like most.

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I remember during FFXIV beta testing, everyone thought final release would be better and have more content...never happened. If they have plans to add a ton of stuff at 99 they would be showing it off not hiding it.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

I remember during FFXIV beta testing, everyone thought final release would be better and have more content...never happened. If they have plans to add a ton of stuff at 99 they would be showing it off not hiding it.

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Well SE has already revealed what 99 will have:

-Voidwatch
-The Last Stand
-Merit Revisions

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Perle never outperformed anything top notch. Ever.

It got close to outperforming DRG's other gearsets, but Walahra/Ares body/Dusk hands/Homam/Homam > Perle. And you could upgrade hands to Dusk+1. Everyone else had Walahra/???/Dusk/Byakko/Dusk+1(or any variety of haste feets), and as long as you had Byakko's Haidate nothing else came close to that set. Walmart hat+Dusk+Byakko is the same amount of haste in 3 slots as Perle is in 5.

Just saying, Perle has always been pretty much crap. Only good for new players.

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Ares was not that great of a tp piece for drg. Asker was by far a better TP was what was really widely used for drg. Ares wasn't that great of a WS piece either. Heca+1 had more str easy to find close to the same the price and the Acc was more important to drgs for our 2 main WS then attack. The only thing Ares was really good for was drg/mage non-toau soloing or drg burn.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Perle never outperformed anything top notch. Ever.

It got close to outperforming DRG's other gearsets, but Walahra/Ares body/Dusk hands/Homam/Homam > Perle. And you could upgrade hands to Dusk+1. Everyone else had Walahra/???/Dusk/Byakko/Dusk+1(or any variety of haste feets), and as long as you had Byakko's Haidate nothing else came close to that set. Walmart hat+Dusk+Byakko is the same amount of haste in 3 slots as Perle is in 5.

Just saying, Perle has always been pretty much crap. Only good for new players.

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Thanks for making my point for me. People spout madness such as this in a desperate attempt to preserve their status as "elite". Perle Armor is not nearly as good as the Empyrean +1 sets for the jobs that can use it (looking back, it served as a good holdover to Empyrean Armor), but I'll eat this laptop if it didn't come close to matching the non-HNM gear prior to the first cap increase.

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Thanks for making my point for me. People spout madness such as this in a desperate attempt to preserve their status as "elite". Perle Armor is not nearly as good as the Empyrean +1 sets for the jobs that can use it (looking back, it served as a good holdover to Empyrean Armor), but I'll eat this laptop if it didn't come close to matching the non-HNM gear prior to the first cap increase.

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Using it for WS sets, you actually don't come close. Perle is utter crap compared to N head, body, hands, legs, feet. For SAM, Shura is still better.

TP is closer, but again, not as good when you can get 1% more haste w/o the set than with it.

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Originally Posted by Francisco

Level 85 added the first significant changes in equipment with 85 Emps, some AF3+2 and some accessories. Most of the people were in awe over the gear - but some threw a temper tantrum over not being the best anymore. And this is all before we knew how to obtain the upgrade items, how many were needed, and how difficult they were.

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Don't be kidding. The first abyssea already gave the tempo on how easy to obtain the gear was. This time instead of having side grades to existing gear like in the first expansion, everyone saw that AF3+2 would be the new perle. This is why you saw many complaints. There is no balance, it's killing the game.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Using it for WS sets, you actually don't come close. Perle is utter crap compared to N head, body, hands, legs, feet. For SAM, Shura is still better.

TP is closer, but again, not as good when you can get 1% more haste w/o the set than with it.

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Any sam using shura was really a main mnk beening cheap or just a dumb. NQ hauby was better then shura and geuss what its was under 500k hell before the anouncement for level increase it was down to 200k for a long time, while hauby +1 was toping out at 3 mil for the longest time. Both so much better then shura. Before you pull the shura +1 if you had that kind of gil in the first place and didn't have mnk you would had been better servered by buying a hauby +1. Not saying shura is not better but its still not as easy to get hauby.

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Any sam using shura was really a main mnk beening cheap or just a dumb. NQ hauby was better then shura and geuss what its was under 500k hell before the anouncement for level increase it was down to 200k for a long time, while hauby +1 was toping out at 3 mil for the longest time. Both so much better then shura. Before you pull the shura +1 if you had that kind of gil in the first place and didn't have mnk you would had been better servered by buying a hauby +1. Not saying shura is not better but its still not as easy to get hauby.

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... Shura body? I'm talking Shura legs/head.

Content is only for those people who don't spam enter during cutscenes.

Perle set wasn't the best possible gear overall, but it was damn close and the only way you were going to beat is if you had acquired some very specific pieces for each slot depending on the job- even then it was close enough (not for gear swapping, but for TP). Considering this while understanding that a full set of Perle took about two hours to obtain and you'd easily have enough cruor from EXP'ing to 80 in the first place, it was the best thing you could wear unless you did some serious endgame stuff beforehand and even then it was nearly as good while also being basically given to you for free. That made people mad, I remember it.

Also, I called Empyrean Armor before it happened and I'm glad they introduced it. I'd rather the best gear for my job in most situations in at least some slots to be job specific stuff. All of that mismatching in a TP set is just ugly-looking and may benefit some jobs more than others. Personally, I hope the real 'ultimate' gear will remain within the Empyrean Armor sets, but require that they be +3'd through some real, genuine effort.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Content is only for those people who don't spam enter during cutscenes.

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I think you have the wrong idea about MMO content.

Seriously though, it's nice that FFXI has that for people, but that's not why I, nor a very large amount of people I play with, play this game.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Don't be kidding. The first abyssea already gave the tempo on how easy to obtain the gear was. This time instead of having side grades to existing gear like in the first expansion, everyone saw that AF3+2 would be the new perle. This is why you saw many complaints. There is no balance, it's killing the game.

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Visions didn't really set much tempo for anything substantial. A chunk of the NMs didn't even appear until around the time Scars was released. A bunch of the VNMs had vague reports of difficulty (T3 VNM in La Theine does a TP move for 5000+, omg! Ovni gets like -95% PDT!) ...Glavoid, Briareus, Turul were all pretty hard, Iratham didn't show up forever, same with the Antlion... took people a long time to figure out how to pop Chloris...

Staggers were not figured out yet. There was no RR, SS, GH, or MM atma... Very few people had their abyssites... NMs were on long pop timers.

The only thing Visions set the tempo for was super fast XP. From the outset it did not offer any game changing equipment - just a few nice upgrades - and it didn't offer a large array of ease until the level cap was raised to 85 and people started getting atma, abyssites and more of a clue.

No one had any basis for complaining about the ease of item attainment, except "waaaaaah, my my full Usukane just got out-classed"...

Sorry misread, still there was easy to get gear that was as good or only 1 str less then shura back at 75 too. Fourth Schoss was from a event that everyone was doing and was point based no gil needed. Wyvern helm is the same str as shura and it came off the AH. So that makes it worse when they don't use the options but its nothing to do with the player not doing endgame more of they don't use macros.

Well, they can't be expected to make every event perfect from the onset, but they should have had some foresight about voidwatch drop system. It being free isn't much defense for it when other events were practically free and used a point system for drops. If the main goal in the end will be emp upgrades where you need the lv90 already, it could very well become like relics where only a handful per server bother with it.

I don't really see the purpose of making all this effort in revamping old content like dynamis either. The reason many of us got excited and came back for things like lv99 and abyssea was they were...new. In that sense i do think the billing system change could not be coming at a worse time. There hasn't been much to really motivate the player base since december, and diminishing subscriptions next month won't bode well for changing that once lv99 is here.

I agree that raising the cap while at the same time not adding much new, worthwhile content would be regrettable. As far as the test server, well there should be fewer bugs on update days. Aside from that, i don't know that i see them adding to the roadmap, especially with things like abyssea scale add ons.

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Visions didn't really set much tempo for anything substantial. A chunk of the NMs didn't even appear until around the time Scars was released. A bunch of the VNMs had vague reports of difficulty (T3 VNM in La Theine does a TP move for 5000+, omg! Ovni gets like -95% PDT!) ...Glavoid, Briareus, Turul were all pretty hard, Iratham didn't show up forever, same with the Antlion... took people a long time to figure out how to pop Chloris...

Staggers were not figured out yet. There was no RR, SS, GH, or MM atma... Very few people had their abyssites... NMs were on long pop timers.

The only thing Visions set the tempo for was super fast XP. From the outset it did not offer any game changing equipment - just a few nice upgrades - and it didn't offer a large array of ease until the level cap was raised to 85 and people started getting atma, abyssites and more of a clue.

No one had any basis for complaining about the ease of item attainment, except "waaaaaah, my my full Usukane just got out-classed"...

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The first week after abyssea the forums were fillled with "ez mode" so no. But hey it just seems that you don't have full usu and were happy to have a shot at the best gear ?

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The first week after abyssea the forums were fillled with "ez mode" so no. But hey it just seems that you don't have full usu and were happy to have a shot at the best gear ?

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vision was not easier than end game @lvl75

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FTFY. 15-24 more levels was going to trivialize kings, sky gods, jailers, wyrms, Cerb/Hydra/Khim, Dynamis, Limbus, Assault, Nyzul, Salvage, Einherjar, KSNMs, ANNMs, and ZNMs (am I leaving anything out?) even if there was no new gear whatsoever. Almost any gear higher than level 75, no matter where it came from, is going to have superior stats to the old 70-75 gear. Abyssea gets the blame for this because it pretty much *is* the 76-90 content.

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Yet. It took how many years to accumulate all the 75 endgame content? (Admittedly, I once raised that very point as a reason not to raise the level cap and wreck all the 75 endgame content, although not on these forums because they didn't exist yet, but that ship has sailed.)

There's more to do now than there was when RotZ first raised the cap to 75 (iirc even sky didn't exist at the time), a lot less than there was after several years of development of content aimed at level 75. The elimination of the level grind just makes it so that you can't occupy your time leveling a new job (except BLU, since you can't learn spells from a GoV page or a sturdy pyxis -- while you can level it fast, you still need to skillup and learn spells to be worth anything).

Personally, I can't name a single player who is bored -- the people in my LS that are on much more time than I am are working on empys or using their recently finished empys to help someone else work on theirs; I'm working on BLU spells and skillups, a couple of non-emp trial swords, seals, +2s, Wightslayer, a couple of fame-intensive quested abyssites I haven't gotten around to yet, and planning to do a few more quested WS when I'm not busy with all the other stuff I just listed. Well before I finish all that, 95 will hit, and I'll need to level up 6 jobs, farm half a million gil for ridiculously expensive NPC-only dice, add another stage on the 3 trials weapons I already have at 90 and the 2 I'm working on for BLU, get any new spells I can get (other than Fire V and Blizzard V, which are already sitting in my satchel), including new BLU spells that can't just be bought, and then I'll take a look at the new content.

Oh, and if I have time after all of *that*, I might do some trial staffs. Especially if the new content doesn't involve having Atma of the Ultimate + Beyond on anytime I nuke anything. Trial staffs for nuking are a massive time sink because you need different ones for every element, and potentially might even want the macc-heavy version *and* the mab-heavy version for different fights. And you have to do them on staff-using jobs, which are typically slow to solo without atma.

From my perspective (having a relatively limited time available to log in per week), there's so much to do already that I can't realistically even think about one empy, let alone one for all my main jobs. Maybe you just have too much time on your hands if you're burning through all the content faster than SE can develop more of it.

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The first week after abyssea the forums were fillled with "ez mode" so no. But hey it just seems that you don't have full usu and were happy to have a shot at the best gear ?

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(Taken shortly after Visions was released.)

Try again.

It doesn't change the fact that the disparition of balance between hard to get gear and easy to get gear is what made and still makes people complain and that, unlike what you claimed earlier, full usu was not the best gear. Full usu was actually average gear since salvage was quite "old" and white gate being filled with full usu pup and monks. For some reason you think people were attached to their full usu status as if it was the best. The state of the game for MNK was actually axtremely balanced.

Top weapon = relic or shenlong
top gear = Turban/hachiryu body/Bando kotes/byakko/usukane feet
end game gear = full usu
average gear = sky
medicocre gear= the rest.

It seems that you are the one that thought you had status gear and wants to be the cool kid that prefers everyone to have the same gear as him. Your equip history shows that you either quit after abyssea was realeased (mad at the loss of your status ?) or it took you way too long to get it. Something is wrong.

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It doesn't change the fact that the disparition of balance between hard to get gear and easy to get gear is what made and still makes people complain and that, unlike what you claimed earlier, full usu was not the best gear. Full usu was actually average gear since salvage was quite "old" and white gate being filled with full usu pup and monks. For some reason you think people were attached to their full usu status as if it was the best. The state of the game for MNK was actually axtremely balanced.

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And again, how many people had Hachiryu Body across all servers? 10? 20? How many were MNKs? Hachiryu may have been the best - but it's irrelevant due to the extreme rarity. For all intents and purposes, Usukane was the best.

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It seems that you are the one that thought you had status gear and wants to be the cool kid that prefers everyone to have the same gear as him.

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I've always done the best within reason to keep my character top of the line - but nothing extreme. I didn't have any interest in doing Dynamis, so I never bothered with relic. Had Shenlong's to myself, but I let a PUP have them because I was barely playing at that point and I like to make LS Tarus happy.

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Your equip history shows that you either quit after abyssea was realeased (mad at the loss of your status ?) or it took you way too long to get it. Something is wrong.

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What are you talking about? I played regularly from October 2003 until April 2009 - at which point I effectively quit because WotG was going nowhere - LS activity was dwindling to nothing, and I was generally bored with the game. I logged on a few random times over summer of 2009 for PW kills and some Einherjar - then just quit entirely.

I came back right before Abyssea was released, and as soon as the level capped was raised I started on magian weapons, Abyssea quests, collecting pops for NMs and had fun in the game. I've been playing regularly ever since Abyssea was released. What in my equip history says I quit over Abyssea?

If you're talking about all my gear being seemingly obtained in May on FFXIAH - it wasn't. That's because of the server merge.

Either that, or I got Black Belt, did Divine Might, got 5/5 Tantra +2, Camped Valkurm Emperor (AND GOT THE DROP!), did a whole ton of sea mobs/NMs, finished CoP missions and got Rajas, got Atheling and bought an Amemet Mantle +1, killed Shinryu, did a whole ton of guild point stuff, killed a ton of other NMs (AND GOT THE DROP!) - and got a Fortune Egg - even though the Easter event was over - all in the same day.

I'll let you figure that one out.

Having gear is never a good measure of a good player. I seen the worest players in the game have the best gear, the one thing they were good at was farming gil. Not putting down those that did camp the NMs, did the events or made the PW pops(since only those that wanted PW drops made pops). Being able to listen, teach, lead are fators so much more important then gear. Those things make truely elite players. Any group that can do those things could/can kill any NM in the game that any perfect geared LS could. Could the perfect geared LS kill it faster sure if they could follow the basics if they couldn't they would zombie and limp along like any one else that refuse to learn.

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Having gear is never a good measure of a good player. I seen the worest players in the game have the best gear, the one thing they were good at was farming gil. Not putting down those that did camp the NMs, did the events or made the PW pops(since only those that wanted PW drops made pops). Being able to listen, teach, lead are fators so much more important then gear. Those things make truely elite players. Any group that can do those things could/can kill any NM in the game that any perfect geared LS could. Could the perfect geared LS kill it faster sure if they could follow the basics if they couldn't they would zombie and limp along like any one else that refuse to learn.

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I agree with this to an extent, specially now where the best gear is so readily available.

HOWEVER, there's a HELL of a lot more good players that have good gear, than there are bad players that have good gear.

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And again, how many people had Hachiryu Body across all servers? 10? 20? How many were MNKs? Hachiryu may have been the best - but it's irrelevant due to the extreme rarity. For all intents and purposes, Usukane was the best.

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Ah ok, so because the great Francisco didn't have it it means it should not be considered. LOL. The item exists because there has been a demand from the playerbase for hard fights and hard goals. We don't care if it hurts you little ego that you can't get it, but some people set their goals high, and that's how they keep playing and having fun.

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I've always done the best within reason to keep my character top of the line - but nothing extreme.

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Destroyers ?

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I didn't have any interest in doing Dynamis, so I never bothered with relic.

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I knew it.

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I came back right before Abyssea was released, and as soon as the level capped was raised I started on magian weapons, Abyssea quests, collecting pops for NMs and had fun in the game. I've been playing regularly ever since Abyssea was released. What in my equip history says I quit over Abyssea?

If you're talking about all my gear being seemingly obtained in May on FFXIAH - it wasn't. That's because of the server merge.

Either that, or I got Black Belt, did Divine Might, got 5/5 Tantra +2, Camped Valkurm Emperor (AND GOT THE DROP!), did a whole ton of sea mobs/NMs, finished CoP missions and got Rajas, got Atheling and bought an Amemet Mantle +1, killed Shinryu, did a whole ton of guild point stuff, killed a ton of other NMs (AND GOT THE DROP!) - and got a Fortune Egg - even though the Easter event was over - all in the same day.

I'll let you figure that one out.

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Verethragna is only obtained in march of this year as well as the +2 gear that was out by september. It says enough on what kind of player you are since you say you did not quit. How come you only got that gear that late ? I mean, it's fine to laugh at the monk that were crying because their full usu was (supposedely "was") no longer the best, but at least put it in practice...

Can you ever shut up and admit you are wrong?

Surprise. [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.], wait for +10 levels to be given to them and end up arguing everywhere on forums how it's a bad thing to remove abyssea gear status