Not to nitpick but the WS is called "Shoulder Tackle", i think "Tackle" is something Campaign Maat uses o.o?
I like the idea of some type of sub-weapon for h2h, it would be rather interesting, also liking the Chakra abilities, but doesn't chakra already give Regen through Merits...? a Stoneskin effect would be nice though i think?
Looking forward to adjustments to footwork, I think the problem is Footwork erases our Martial Arts effects right? Would have to be some major boosts to keep up with those loses... Maybe make it possible to triple/quad attack on Footwork? as of right now i think you can only double attack... that hinders the ability very heavily as well.
I mention Quad cause of the Oa2-4x H2H Weapon used to be pretty spot on for Footwork back at 80, but with all the martial arts its hard to have footwork keep up. then again i think Footwork was intended to be the "less TP feed" Stance, sacrifice Damage for Less TP fed? I think thats why it was originally added...? its been too long
[Job Adjustmentｓ Manifesto] MNK
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08-11-2011, 09:34 AMKarbuncle
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08-11-2011, 09:43 AMCamateYeah, sorry it's Shoulder Tackle. Tackle is what is used for the Japanese version. Fixed. orzQuote:
Originally Posted by Karbuncle
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08-11-2011, 10:33 AMKarbuncleIts okay :X, Its really Tackle in JP? Explains why Maat uses it o.o!Quote:
Originally Posted by Camate
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08-11-2011, 11:37 AMFrancisco
Some feedback from a career MNK:
First off, thanks for the answers. Kinda expected we'd be one of the last jobs to get a manifesto, if we got one at all.Quote:
Hi-ya monks! (get it? It's a pun.) Can I get a yeah buddy? Because I have a bunch of responses from the development team as follow-ups to all the feedback we have received about monk job adjustments :)
Basically agreed. It'd be pretty broken gaining TP on every counter. Perhaps some small benefit - like occasionally gaining 1 or 2 TP, but not every time?Quote:
Q: Make it so you generate TP upon a successful counterattack.
A: Since Counter offers the monk a defensive edge by negating damage from an attack, we decided against it also generating TP.
How much TP does a mob gain from being countered? Perhaps we can lower the number? I think it is much easier to justify this than having us gain TP from counters.Quote:
Q: Abolish the TP that is given to enemies upon a monk’s successful counter.
A: Since the benefit of Counter itself is already very potent, it will be difficult to justify cutting the TP given to the enemy as well.
Glad to hear this. My personal suggestion for guard is to allow it to skill up on counter attacks.Quote:
Q: Make it so the rate of guard activation and the amount of damage that is reduced increases the higher the monk’s guard skill is.
A: First we will be making adjustments to make it easier to increase guard and parry skills. We plan on looking into guard balance adjustments as the next step we take.
This idea is pretty useless, unless trying to skill up guard.Quote:
Q: Add an ability that increases the guard rate and damage reduction.
A: Since we already have Perfect Counter, we have no plans to add this type of ability.
This wouldn't help MNK much anyway, even if we were MNK/NIN.Quote:
Q: Make it so magic casting cannot be interrupted when you guard.
A: Since monk has no native magic skill, a different type of effect such as a reduction in enemy’s generated TP would fit better than simply magic interruption.
Boost is pretty much only used for weaponskills - so perhaps something tailored specifically for weaponskills would be nice. Weaponskill Accuracy might be nice going forward if the enemies are going to be evasive...Quote:
Q: Adjust Boost so the attack power is stronger.
A: We will look into it. We agree it would be nice to feel a potent effect even if the enemies get stronger with the level cap increase.
Well, we already have Invigorate through merits - but I rather like the Stoneskin idea, similar to the effect WHM gets with cures. Can't say there's much use for Boosting Chakra - except maybe after recovering from weakness or something. I'd like to see Chakra remove Slow and Bio - and the recast timer not being eaten by Paralyze (this goes for all abilities though).Quote:
Q: Add Regen, Stoneskin, or some other type of support-related effect to Chakra
A: We are thinking about adding something along the lines of increasing the effect of Chakra through Boost. It might be good if we added a Regen effect when using Boost in conjunction with Chakra which would get more powerful the more times you Boost.
Not really a huge need for a stun ability - but we're not going to use Shoulder Tackle either. I think the only time I ever relied on Shoulder Tackle is for the Poroggo Madame NMs in Salvage.Quote:
Q: Add a stun ability.
A: We are not thinking about adding an ability for this. We would like to have monks use the weapon skill “Shoulder Tackle” in instances that they need to stun something. We are currently looking into an effect that will reduce an enemy’s TP as an adjustment to Chi Blast.
I think people mostly want a stance where they just guard endlessly... lolQuote:
Q: Will there be any new stance abilities like Footwork?
A: First we would like to make adjustments so that Footwork can be used in more efficient ways, so we are not currently preparing any additional new stances.
99% of MNKs honestly don't care about Footwork... It makes us feel like gimp SAMs with foot fetishes.Quote:
Q: We would like special abilities that can only be used while Footwork is active.
A: We’ll keep it in consideration as a part of the Footwork adjustments.
This would be pretty neat!Quote:
Q: Add items that can be equipped in the sub equipment slot while using hand-to-hand weapons.
A: We are currently looking into methods of utilizing the sub slot for hand-to-hand. We’ll take into consideration the balance of other weapons and will look to implement it at the right time.
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08-11-2011, 12:09 PMColdbrand
I think bandages be appropriate for the sub equip slot.
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08-11-2011, 12:25 PMPanthera
This wouldn't fix any problems, but...
It would be cool if Monk could have some kind of ability or trait when using a Staff. -
08-11-2011, 12:29 PMGreatguardian
There are problems with Monk to fix?
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08-11-2011, 12:38 PMRakshaYeah, they don't have a move to auto-stun enemies TP moves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greatguardian
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08-11-2011, 04:21 PMQkan
I think Francisco did a great job of summing up the thoughts of the majority of MNK players.
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08-11-2011, 04:39 PMSerjMnks need tp moves to be stunned? News to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raksha
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08-11-2011, 05:30 PMMotentenThat's called "Invigorate". Tier 2 merit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camate
Stoneskin might be nice, but (agreeing with Francisco) I'd prefer being able to remove additional status effects (certainly slow, maybe plague (since we can already cure disease), possibly bio).
If you want to add Boost as a prereq for removing additional status, well.. guess it's not too bad. But "more boosts = more healing" just seems silly. Chakra is a JA, for instant use in battle, primarily; picturing trying to sit around for 3 minutes Boosting to get its full effect just seems ludicrous.
That's called "Penance". Tier 2 merit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camate
I'm actually not sure if Subtle Blow affects the TP gained by mobs hitting players, though I would assume it does since Store TP affects the amount of TP the player gets. If so, then the amount of TP the mob gets from hitting you is already fairly low, and further reducing it would be a fairly minor effect. Just add it in as part of the Tactical Guard trait (say, -3 TP to the mob to correspond with the +3 TP for the player) and call it a day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camate
Actually, this is probably the info that I'd be most interested in hearing. Footwork is fairly unique as a combat style within the game, but mechanically just can't keep up with standard H2H under pretty much any circumstances or intended usages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camate
Its greatest advantage, reduced TP given to the mob, is overshadowed by taking twice as long to kill the mob while giving half as much TP per unit time (so in the end you gain nothing but wasted time). The other problem is that it's only remotely useful with the OA2-3/4 weapons to boost the double-kick proc rate, and can't take advantage of other specific weapon traits/stats (eg: Empyreans or Relics, obviously, but also other weapons that seem like they were more intended for Footwork use).
Damage wise, because of how its damage scales, even if you got it perfectly balanced compared to standard H2H at level 90 (for example), it will inevitably fall behind as soon as the level cap goes up. So whatever gain it gets, it has to scale well with level.
Sam has Hasso and Seigan for offensive and defensive stances, and likewise nin has Innin and Yonin. Each serves a useful purpose for a specific task. Mnk's secondary stance is Footwork, but it seems the developers had only the vaguest of ideas in mind when creating it. Mnks can kick, right? Let's let them kick a whole bunch... It has no real raison d'etre, a purpose for existing.
Serious thought needs to be given to that before some half-assed revamp is done.
When you counter a mob, the mob gets as much TP as if you'd hit it normally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francisco
Overall summary for mnk needs: Fix guard proc rate. Fix Footwork in general. Maybe add bonuses to Chakra for a Christmas present. Anything else is just busywork that, honestly, could be better used on any number of other jobs. -
08-11-2011, 06:02 PMZhronne
First of all thanks Camate for the info on the upcoming adjustments.
My two cents now:
Chakra
The idea of having Chakra powered up by Boost is nice, but it might not work out quite well and could be a bit frustrating, especially when you talk about the effect scaling up with the amount of times you use Boost.
Boost wears off with the next attack you perform, and has a 15 seconds delay between each use. Which means to power up Chakra you'd have to disengage or turn around and use boost a few times before using Chakra. But that's a bit unpractical to use, because Chakra is normally used in situations of danger, when you want a fast recover of your HP to avoid a possible death. There are many uses I guess, but this probably is the most used/effective.
So, from this perspective, the stacking boost thing doesn't seem very efficient.
Could make Boost receive a small bonus according to your Max HP, currently it scales exclusively with your VIT. HP recovered with Chakra is VITx2, Temple's Cyclas add a 1 to the multiplier, Melee Gloves add a 0.66. Maybe creating a new item for a slot that isn't hands or body and that adds a 0.44 multiplier (for a total of VITx4) might be an interesting choice?
Also, there's a small problem with Invigorate, the group#2 Merit that adds Regen to Chakra. This effect at the moment doesn't stack with the spell "regen" and that's not the only problem, it *overwrites* other regen spell effects, even if they are more powerful. That's really a shame if you ask me. It should either be allowed to stack with the spell, or avoid to overwrite the stronger effects.
Boost
I don't completely understand the request to make boost "stronger". I mean, if we're talking about the added Attack bonus, it's not a fixed one, it's a % so it scales with your basic attack, which means the higher your basic attack the higher bonus you receive from Boost.
While more/better gear to enhance this bonus could be interesting (currently we only have Temple Gloves) I don't think it's really necessary to increase the bonus given, it already scales up.
The idea of adding an accuracy bonus is very nice, but probably would be a bit too much etc.
I have to say I REALLY like the idea of boost wearing off only with WS, Chi Blast or Chakra. This way Boost wouldn't wear off with normal attacks (not even accidentally, happened a few times to me) and it would be much easier to make use of it during fights.
Really, I'd love such a change :)
Footwork
In my opinion, the developers need to better understand what is the goal, the meaning, the role of such a stance.
At the moment it's just a way to gimp your damage while changing the aestetical way you attack your foes. Even supposing developers manage to "power it up" and make it on par, damage wise, with the normal "fists" setup, it would still be a pretty useless ability, because all it would grant is a difference in animations, right?
So instead of "boosting" footwork, they should go back to square one and think what they want footwork to be.
To me Footwork should be a situational stance to use in certain circumstances that grants some advantages at the cost of something else.
For example the original idea of having Monk swap from a normal stance (with a lots of quick punches and some occasional kicks on each attack round) to a foowtork stance where you deal only ONE kick per attack round, making so this kick is very powerful, very slow, and gets you a lot of TP.
That was the core idea of Footwork, but it slowly transformed into a series of very fast kicks on each round (thanks to the "occasionally attacks X times" weapons).
A simple change that could balance things up is changing the role of "Kick Attacks + X" bonuses on legs equipment.
Currently this bonus, in a normal stance, increase the possibility of a Kick Attack to happen at the end of the round.
During footwork it works in a similar way to "double attack", adding a second kick.
This is pretty useless. Make it so that the "Kick Attack + X" bonus has a different effect wether footwork is active or not.
If it's turned off it works the same way it does now, if Footwork is up, it just adds + X base damage to the kick, similarly to what Feet equipment do, like Dune Boots or Tantra Gaiters. -
08-11-2011, 06:08 PMZhronne
Whoa! Sad I didn't read the allmighty Motenten's post before, said more or less the same things but in a much better way.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who got the impression that Footwork currently has no purpose, that's a very important point imho.
Even if they manage to make it perfectly on par with Hand to Hand damage (which I find unlikely, but let's suppose they succeed) it still would have no purpose. Why would you swap to Footwork then? Just to see different animations? Sounds a bit silly, a waste of a JA.
They should find a "purpose" for Footwork.
Having very slow, very powerful, high return TP kicks sounds like a more interesting and situational JA that we could use at times, and closer to the original idea of Footwork.
Damage-wise it wouldn't be as good as H2H, but it would be close, and u'd generate much less TP on the mob.
Not particularly original maybe, but good enough for me.
To achieve this they would need to reduce the number of kick attacks per round (making so OAx weapons don't work, and so +kick attacks merits/gear give +damage instead of +% rate of activation) and make so the JA itself scales with level. At the moment it gives a fixed +damage bonus, make so that amount is not fixed but it scales with level. Say... +20 at level 65 when you get the JA, and +50 at level 99? (+5 damage every 5 levels, approx)
They could do the same with the attack bonus I guess, and they should also increase the base tp return, from the current 13 value to something else slightly higher.
As for your group# 2 merits comments. I get the pretty clear impression, from past Developers' comments and from recent comments on other jobs, that they are up for a big revamp on group 2 merits.
I think a lot of those will become "normal abilities/job traits" for the majority of jobs, and they'll put something else in there.
That might just be the case with Penance and Invigorate. -
08-11-2011, 07:04 PMReznov831
We are currently looking into methods of utilizing the sub slot for hand-to-hand. We’ll take into consideration the balance of other weapons and will look to implement it at the right time.[/QUOTE]
Why not just let Mnks have variety like Nin and its ability to choose 2 different katanas? I think it'd be awesome if Mnk could use 2 different h2h weapons. I doubt I'm the first to think of this, but just thought I'd put it out there since I've never seen anyone else say anything about it, though I haven't really looked either XD. -
08-11-2011, 08:43 PMLushipur
dunno if already said, but i doubt.
please if you introduce grips for h2h, remember that pup use h2h too. -
08-11-2011, 10:32 PMLadycandygem
One option for Footwork would be for it to give you an increased rate of kick attacks (average of 1.5 per attack round?), but also let you use Hand-to-Hand attacks as usual. Obviously this would be a big boost to Monk, so the trade off would be that you couldn't use Counterstance at the same time.
So it becomes like Samurai and Ninja stances, you have to choose which is most beneficial to the situation.
As the extra kick attacks would give TP, that gives it an advantage over counters, so in situations where taking damage isn't an issue, or for some reason the monk doesn't have hate, people would likely use Footwork. But when taking damage is an issue Counterstance would be preferred.
If necessary you could add the defense down of counterstance to footwork to stop it being too overpowered. -
08-11-2011, 11:27 PMLynchillesPenance decreases the amount of TP that a mob gets as a result of hitting or being hit by 25%. It simply inhibits the mobs TP gain. It does not actually decrease the amount of TP a mob has however. I think Camate is talking about an ability that actively decreases a mob's TP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motenten
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08-11-2011, 11:59 PMZhronneThis would make Footwork from a "situational stance" to something you want to keep up most of the times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ladycandygem
I mean, I love MNK and everything (it's my main after all), but asking for additional boosts seems a bit unrealistical, and honestly unnecessary.
You can't ask for a job to get something new without at least trying to keep an overall view on the rest of the jobs, can you?
What we should ask is maybe for new tools, new situational stuff etc, not just raw power.
I mean, what you asked is not very far from asking stuff like "Hey SE make so Boost gives me +90% Weapon Skill Damage!" or "Hey SE make so Counterstance activation rate goes up to 100% and you also get a +50 accuracy bonus while it's active!" lol -
08-12-2011, 12:43 AMLadycandygemFor Samurai, Hasso is something they want to keep up all the time, but sometimes they have to use Seigan instead. It would be the same for Monk, having to choose between a more offensive or defensive stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhronne
I'm sure SE could find a way to keep it balanced, maybe with an attack penalty, or lower kick activation rate or something. But it's not like those clearly overpowered suggestions. The extra kicks would be a similar number to the attacks you lose from reduced counter rate, so effectively you are gaining extra TP at the cost of taking more damage. It's almost like going from Counterstance to Retaliation.Quote:
I mean, what you asked is not very far from asking stuff like "Hey SE make so Boost gives me +90% Weapon Skill Damage!" or "Hey SE make so Counterstance activation rate goes up to 100% and you also get a +50 accuracy bonus while it's active!" lol
And yes, it would be nice to have some utility abilities, but I was looking at a way to make Footwork useful, since at the moment it has almost no use at all.Quote:
What we should ask is maybe for new tools, new situational stuff etc, not just raw power.
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08-12-2011, 01:54 AMMotentenAh, good point. I didn't consider that. I suppose that could be useful, a sort of Absorb-TP without the absorb half. Would expect it to be more powerful than Absorb-TP then (which only absorbs about half the mob's TP) given recast limitations and no absorb benefit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynchilles
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08-12-2011, 06:38 AMMarkovChainYou shouldn't be booosting unless you don't have haste/ marches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francisco
Ever since footwork was released I've used it for fast TP gain which is actually useful, for instance to stun lock a mob (remember porrogo madames ? Ultima etc ), and also to farm WS-proc'ed mobs in dynamis (as there are always non-magic and non-JA mobs at camps). For instance in dynamis since the goal is to spam WS on those mobs, I pop defender footwork, and I can do ~10 weak ws per mob before it's dead vs one victory smite or 3-4 normal ws (with naked H2H). I think it would be interesting to boost footwork in the optic of "faster TP gain" even if it means "lower ws damage" since you could use it to proc mobs or stun lock mobs. Also procing seems to be something they plan to introduce in every endgame, so it can only be a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motenten
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08-13-2011, 02:50 AMAnzaThis is absolutely brilliant. Especially if they change Chakra to where it is in some way affected by Boosting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhronne
As for Footwork, I agree that it needs serve some defined purpose. Perhaps have Footwork grant a 1-2tp/tic regain effect while active as an added perk? Keeping with the idea of it being a good way to generate TP while not giving the mob TP, or even as a nice way to generate some TP between fights or before a battlefield fight. -
08-13-2011, 03:13 AMZhronneThis was the original SE idea, but in reality Footwork was used only with OA weapons and such, making the attack rate not particularly lower to that of hand to hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anza
This is the fault of several factors, among which the one I described earlier: "Kick attack +X" on legs gear procs even during footwork, working in a similar way to how Double Attack does.
Changing so that, during footwork, it adds damage (like feet gear) instead of giving a DA-like thing would already be a nice change.
If they really want to keep the purpose of "give less TP" thing, they need to make us attack slow, with powerful blows that generate a lot of TP (more than the 13, which is basic tp return for 2h 480delay weapons, that we get now).
Also another thing that I forgot and that nobody mentioned so far (I think?) is the fact that the Empyreal Armor set bonus doesn't work at all with the way the current Footwork JA works. -
08-13-2011, 09:35 AMAnzaReally? I thought the +2 set bonus worked like normal KA/DA gear (and KA merits), giving you more chance to get a double kick proc in an attack round under footwork. Difference being that the +2 set also lets you occasionally double-kick even without Footwork up. That's really a shame if that's not the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhronne
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08-13-2011, 10:07 AMmatic
I'm glad Footwork will continue to be supported. from my own eyeballing outside of abyssea, Footwork with OA2-3 is clearly faster TP (3 attack rounds to 100TP after Tornado Kick) and higher WS damage than a standard h2h weapon. Although now that i got Taurine, i'm going to have to do more testing.
Everyone says Martial Arts trait this and that, and in abyssea, normal h2h is the winner, but i dont think most of those people ever bothered to get a good Footwork build and try it out without capped crit rate. -
08-13-2011, 10:43 AMGreatguardian
That depends on how you define a standard H2H weapon.
If you mean someone rocking Destroyers at 90, then yes, Footwork may pull ahead if they actually care about that build.
Using legit weapons? Taurine, +2 Fire knucks, WoE, Emp? There is absolutely no way for Footwork to come close, especially when you take Victory Smite into account for applicable weapons.
Edit: Also, inafter "Eyeballing". All things even, footwork is pretty handily destroyed by normal H2H outside of Abyssea when mathed out. The only real benefit you can get from it is H2H WS procs while limiting TP fed and damage dealt (idk, Dynamis mobs?) -
08-13-2011, 11:10 AMCursed
Plot to enhance MNK and add a little more active/engaged gameplay
1.Boost:
- Make boosts stack and make it last 4 minutes before it wears off.
- Eliminate its loss after an attack round.
- Make the + attack bonus benefit of it decay over time so that by 4 minutes all attack benefits are depleted.
- Re-boosting does not effect cool down timer. To start a new round of boosts, one must cancel the effect.
2. Chakra Tiers:
2 Boost combined with Chakra = regen (10hp/tick) + crit hit rate + 2%(Lasts 15 seconds)
4 Boosts combined with Chakra = regen (15hp/tick) + crit hit rate +3%(Lasts 30 seconds)
6 Boosts combined with Chakra = regen (20hp/tick) + crit hit rate +4%(lasts 45 seconds)
8 Boosts combined with Chakra = regen (25hp/tick) + crit hit rate +5%(lasts 60 seconds) + Counter rate +5%
3.Chi Blast
Combined with Boost
2 Boosted Chi Blast = Enemy evasion down 5%
4 Boosted Chi Blast = Enemy evasion, accuracy down 5%
6 Boosted Chi Blast = Enemy evasion, accuracy, defense down 5%
8 Boosted Chi Blast = Enemy evasion, accuracy, defense, Magic defense down 10%
EDIT: Chakra Tiers stack with invigorate -
08-13-2011, 11:10 AMAtoreisDo You tried to skill up guard lately?Quote:
Originally Posted by Camate
I capped guard on mnk 75 and it was really HARD. Took week of 10h a day to go from 120 to 200+ and another week to get to 260+ and 3h for last 0.7 from 268.3 to 269. That is past tho...
Recently I did guard from 280 to cap at 90 in... 3h and that's almost AFK just gathering 20+ mandragoras in altepa and getting phalanx II from RDM. It was so easy that I felt like I was cheating compering this to past experience. Guard skill up was fixed by introducing abyssea and really doesn't need any fixes. It was that one skill after you could have recognized a player that really care about MNK and now pretty much everyone can cap it with a little effort.
There is a thing that connect guard at 75 and at 90... it's useless. It almost never proc and has no additional effects like shield (no interrupts on spells) and it's pDIF-1 is much worse then completely nullified damage with parry.
Seriously You should first adjust the effect of guard not making it easier to skill up because none will even care to try those skill up adjustments for something that have no use. Also a lot of ppl will take an effort to cap guard with present difficulty w/o single whining if the final result would be a little worth it.
Sorry for bad English, it's not my native language. -
08-13-2011, 02:49 PMFranciscoNo thanks. I don't want to go back to the days of spamming Boost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cursed
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08-13-2011, 10:31 PMLadycandygemSE could always automate it. I.E. You hit Boost, then every 15 seconds it gains another level, until you use a WS, Chi Blast or Chakra, and then it stops accumulating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francisco
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08-13-2011, 10:52 PMCursedQuote:
Originally Posted by Francisco
"1.Boost:
- Make boosts stack and make it last 4 minutes before it wears off.
- Eliminate its loss after an attack round."
Maybe you should read the posts you quote.
This means you are engaged and not just standing there boosting....while accumulating boosts. -
08-14-2011, 12:13 AMGreatguardian
Boosting while engaged severely decreases your overall damage. The effect only compounds when additional forms out external Haste are added. There is absolutely no reason to be spamming boost aside from when you're standing around unless you have absolutely no attack already and no Haste spell, songs, samba, or gear.
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08-14-2011, 04:10 AMMotenten
Mnk spamming Boost in a fight would be the equivalent of Pups having to spam maneuvers -- it notably degrades standard melee performance, while you -hope- that it does enough good to compensate for that. Very much hoping that it doesn't get implemented that way.
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08-14-2011, 01:48 PMMoonbaq
I Would Like to Contribute in Ideas ^_^
1) Instead of making boost increase the dmg done to your next attack, make it so when you use boost your next attack will be critical attack (kinda like Sneak/Trick Attack). I feel that when you use the ability Boost it looks like your about to give your foe a big punch. It also fits our DD lines imo.
2) Increase The Duration Of Focus & Dodge
3) I think it would be awesome to give an ability that allows us to hit continuously for a little time ( like a mini version of Hundred Fists) Lets Face it MNK 2hr is bad ass and its ashame that we have to wait 2hrs so give MNK an ability so they can have a little taste while waiting for their 2hr. This also is benefital making us even more Bad-Ass DD.
4) Would Be nice if MNK had something job specific to equip in the Sub Category. Perhaps making an item that increases VIT, STR, or lowers delay till next attack.
5) And Last i feel that Chi Blast should have a lower times & do damage compared to what the users Current TP is at and possibly inflicting a status on the mob, this is giving the Ability more use.
Lol Im sure asking for alot xD but hey would be nice wouldnt it? -
08-14-2011, 07:52 PMhiko
a 15sec force critical ja would be a little overpowered
- footwork with forced crit DK/TK
- sam/mnk criting fudos(gekkos) with overwhelm ( work with any job that have a 1-2hit high ftp no crit ws)
some (minor) fix to footwork when used with hundred fist make it add a kick attack : 2punch,1-2kick (2nd based on kick attack rate, kicks getting footwork bonuses)+ DA/TA procs -
08-15-2011, 01:43 AMCursedBoosting while engaged severely decreases your overall damage isn't really accurate. It depends on the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greatguardian
If boost doesn't wear off and stacks, there are probably going to be a lot of situations where a higher base attack will make the loss of dot negligible. Higher Level HNMs, Zerg situations and soloing.
MNK isn't the only melee job that suffers from animation delay. If the rewards of stacking boosts outweighs the penalty, there's no reason to think of it as detrimental. Canceling Hasso , last resort, soul eater all reduce the respective classes dps and overall dmg. However, their loss during certain situations is beneficial.
MNK as it stands vs T-VT mobs outside Abyssea is fine. Anything higher such as IT and HNM see MNK fall behind heavier hitting classes such as SAM & WAR.
Gaining 5% crit hit rate for 60 seconds and loosing about 30 seconds (8 boosts x 3 second animation delay - rounded up for the sceptics) would probably see boosting come ahead than just auto-attacking. Also, the fact that as I mentioned earlier, attacks would not cancel out boost also means you gain a considerable amount of increase to your WS's when it matters (situations which we are talking about atm-see above said situations)
Regardless of the attack benefits, there are some key defensive attributes to boosting/chakra/chi blast I added that would not just benefit the MNKs dps, but also everyone elses.
It would need to be tweeked perhaps. But the idea still stands and your response was pretty hasty imo. -
08-15-2011, 02:14 AMGreatguardian
Honestly, you're just throwing out a lot of eyeballing. Boosting in Zerg situations would be absolutely horrible, as you're already receiving Attack buffs and any JA delay interrupting your attack cycles is a big deal.
Many spells/buffs are already not worth casting, even on jobs like DRK. Hasso and Last Resort are unique because they provide Haste. Endark? +50 attack boost and add effect damage? Not even worth casting, it takes away that much from total damage.
If Moten doesn't mind, it would be interesting to see how much of a boost, and of what stats, Boost would need to offer offensively in order to become worth using every 15 seconds. As is, it's not even worth using before WS if you have external Haste. -
08-15-2011, 02:30 AMCursedwhich is why it needs to add some benefit. Loosing its effect after a round of attacks is part of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greatguardian
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08-15-2011, 10:11 AMFrancisco
Even if it becomes worthwhile to boost every 15 seconds, it seems like an annoyance to have to use the same JA that often.
If anything, I wouldn't mind seeing Boost adding a small aftermath effect to weapon skills... be it attack, critical hit rate, or just straight damage... (example: Boost + Weaponskill = gives +50 attack for 30 seconds)... -
08-15-2011, 11:00 AMSerj
There is nothing you can do to boost to make it worth using every 15 seconds. I'm not sure what everyone is thinking...