Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

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Originally Posted by RAIST

HOLY CRAP. 17 flames in the time it took me to write this post. You people need to chill before this thread gets locked too.

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Obviously we need to get the 'Minimize Downtime' thread unlocked and point out that they need to minimize downtime so people will be playing, not arguing on the forum.

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

Are you saying that out of all of these "great deal" of people, nobody has once thought - even once - to shout in Jeuno to see if somebody wants to start a party? According to you, it's "not a matter of people not wanting to party outside of it" and it's simply that they "can't find any" - so if you shout to create one, you should have people flooding in, no?

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I think I shall try this when the servers are back up (if I remember). Just to see for my own eyes.

I'll probably get laughed out of Port Jeuno.

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Originally Posted by Aliekber

Step 1) Look up the job on FFXIclopedia. Read about the job, and ask questions on forums for any clarification you need.

Step 2) Use FFXIAH's gear set creator to put together what gear you want to use.

Step 3) Gather the gear.

Step 4) Spend an hour making macros.

Step 5) Cap your skills.

Step 6) Use the job, and be better than the sea of full Perle/Aurore/Teal players. Develop reflexes over a week or two of endgame play.

Step 7) The Old Way player who started the job at the same time as you is still in Wajaom Woodlands killing birds.

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^ this, its not hard to learn a job in XI, it can be hard to learn how to do an event a specific way, but all there is, is abyssea as far as i know so its not like you need to learn a bunch of different events. Playing your class can be easily learned, following the steps set above.

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

you obviously never seen me solo

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It's an undeniable fact, if you swap in evasion/Haste hybrid between Ichi casts you'd be evading less attacks, making your soloing more easy.

You're doing a great disservice to the people who made this game, there's a massive mathematical and complicated element to this game that the developers tried to use. There's formula's for everything. The game is so much more complex than you're letting on, and I'm glad. On top of that, the game is so much better for it, I have more goals, I want to attain gear that is best in x situation and also attain the gear that may be better in Y situation. It adds a new paradigm to the game and makes my goals much wider than they'd otherwise be.

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Originally Posted by Nepharite

Just like pre abyssea? Do you not remember the hours some people would wait for a pt invite?

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i don't know about you but with pre-abyssea depending on the job i would get a party invite roughly 10-30 minuets after putting my flag up.

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

wow you missed the whole point didnt you who was talking about anything at lvl 5 your brain is still lvl 5 of course im talking something tougher. you know what i should solo on lvl 1brd/drg

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You were using as your anti-gear swap example that you are capable of killing some unnamed monsters without gear swaps, just as people with gearswaps are able to kill this same monster. By implication, you are suggesting that gearswapping provides no actual benefit because the end result is the same - victory.

I am using as my anti... ... well, anti-your example that I am capable of killing something without being level 90, just as people at level 90 are able to kill the same monster. I state that this shows that levelling up provides no actual benefit because the end result is the same - victory.

Obviously, my example is thoroughly absurd and is constructed to be ridiculous. I feel it is also ridiculous to claim that not gear swapping - playing as a hybrid - is as effective as gearswapping. Simple logic suggests that specialisation > hybridisation when there is no opportunity cost involved in specialisation.

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Originally Posted by Icestein

It's an undeniable fact, if you swap in evasion/Haste hybrid between Ichi casts you'd be evading less attacks, making your soloing more easy.

You're doing a great disservice to the people who made this game, there's a massive mathematical and complicated element to this game that the developers tried to use. There's formula's for everything. The game is so much more complex than you're letting on, and I'm glad. On top of that, the game is so much better for it, I have more goals, I want to attain gear that is best in x situation and also attain the gear that may be better in Y situation. It adds a new paradigm to the game and makes my goals much wider than they'd otherwise be.

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Seconded for emphasis. This is an excellent post. You are a sensible fellow.

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Originally Posted by Krystal

i don't know about you but with pre-abyssea depending on the job i would get a party invite roughly 10-30 minuets after putting my flag up.

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they key thing you said was "depending on the job"

I never had issues with getting parties or making them.
The majority of the people that are QQ'ing over abyssea do have problems getting pts or making them.

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Originally Posted by Krystal

i don't know about you but with pre-abyssea depending on the job i would get a party invite roughly 10-30 minuets after putting my flag up.

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You're either lucky or a liar. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Good luck making a party without a brd, a healer, and if there's more efficient DDs looking then I'm sorry but you'll be seeking for a while.

You're basing this idea that people will be looking for parties so much more if Abyssea leeching dies. They won't. I won't be leveling any new jobs if it reverts back to the old days, because I'd much rather be working on the level 90 content.

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Originally Posted by Icestein

You're either lucky or a liar. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Good luck making a party without a brd, a healer, and if there's more efficient DDs looking then I'm sorry but you'll be seeking for a while.

You're basing this idea that people will be looking for parties so much more if Abyssea leeching dies. They won't. I won't be leveling any new jobs if it reverts back to the old days, because I'd much rather be working on the level 90 content.

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pretty much this, I won't be joining any new low level exp pts, its too easy to solo/lowman/cb
its a lot better than putting up with people who will be gimp and actually impacting your pt a lot more than an abyssea pt.

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

Are you saying that out of all of these "great deal" of people, nobody has once thought - even once - to shout in Jeuno to see if somebody wants to start a party? According to you, it's "not a matter of people not wanting to party outside of it" and it's simply that they "can't find any" - so if you shout to create one, you should have people flooding in, no?

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I've seen a guy trying to put together a non-abyssea party through shouting in Jeuno that took 30 minutes to form. He also got cussed and laughed at for wanting to form a Non abyssea party. =

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

You were using as your anti-gear swap example that you are capable of killing some unnamed monsters without gear swaps, just as people with gearswaps are able to kill this same monster. By implication, you are suggesting that gearswapping provides no actual benefit because the end result is the same - victory.

I am using as my anti... ... well, anti-your example that I am capable of killing something without being level 90, just as people at level 90 are able to kill the same monster. I state that this shows that levelling up provides no actual benefit because the end result is the same - victory.

Obviously, my example is thoroughly absurd and is constructed to be ridiculous. I feel it is also ridiculous to claim that not gear swapping - playing as a hybrid - is as effective as gearswapping. Simple logic suggests that specialisation > hybridisation when there is no opportunity cost involved in specialisation.

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Just admit you jumped in on a conversation and said something dumb. i said i would kill what ever they kill im sure they weren't going after anything level 5 dummy if you werent sure if they were ask them or red the whole post before you open your mouth and prove your ignorance again

I agree, they should lower the entry level for abyssea to 1 instead of 30. Level 30 is too hard to get for new players, so we should just let them join in abyssea at level 1. Level 1 would be so great. I think you all are so smart for agreeing with the fact that the entrance level should be 1. Level 1. Thanks.

oops triple post in another thread

I will be sure to red next time.

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

Just admit you jumped in on a conversation and said something dumb. i said i would kill what ever they kill im sure they weren't going after anything level 5 dummy if you werent sure if they were ask them or red the whole post before you open your mouth and prove your ignorance again

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Its obvious that you can't comprehend what RaenRyong is talking about. Its also obvious that you don't understand game mechanics by not using macros.

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Originally Posted by Icestein

You're either lucky or a liar. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Good luck making a party without a brd, a healer, and if there's more efficient DDs looking then I'm sorry but you'll be seeking for a while.

You're basing this idea that people will be looking for parties so much more if Abyssea leeching dies. They won't. I won't be leveling any new jobs if it reverts back to the old days, because I'd much rather be working on the level 90 content.

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lucky or a liar eh? heh....gotta love all the attacks on my creditability...they make my reasoning for posts even more worthwhile....the fact people are now attacking my creditability proves i just scared the crap out of them with my post and they are ticked i lured them in so easily....brains over brawn...gotta love it! <3 so keep attacking my creditability...your just enforcing my point and encouraging more to speak their mind who are against abyssea's current cap and dyna.^^

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Originally Posted by HFX7686

My god.

If there aren't enough people to make a party outside of Abyssea because most people are in Abyssea this means that the people who are outside Abyssea trying to make a party are in the minority.

Logic.

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If it were that simple I wouldn't hear over and over "You guys want to party?" "Nevermind there are no <insert x job here>"

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Originally Posted by Krystal

lucky or a liar eh? heh....gotta love all the attacks on my creditability...they make my reasoning for posts even more worthwhile....the fact people are now attacking my creditability proves i just scared the crap out of them with my post and they are ticked i lured them in so easily....brains over brawn...gotta love it! <3 so keep attacking my creditability...your just enforcing my point and encouraging more to speak their mind who are against abyssea's current cap and dyna.^^

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I like how full of yourself you are.

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

Just admit you jumped in on a conversation and said something dumb. i said i would kill what ever they kill im sure they weren't going after anything level 5 dummy if you werent sure if they were ask them or red the whole post before you open your mouth and prove your ignorance again

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He used hypothetical reasoning, but clearly you're not well up on your critical thinking skills. He used this hypothetical scenario to draw attention to the fact that gear, which is interchangeable in this scenario with the natural stat bonuses you gain through leveling, improves the rate at which you kill something. It's an extreme example, but it can be scaled down to two level 90s, one naked except weapons and one with a variety of gear for each situation. If these two are identical in every way except gear than I don't see how you can claim that both would be equal, one would have higher stats and therefore be hitting harder, better, faster and stronger.

Our work is never over.

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Originally Posted by Nepharite

Its obvious that you can't comprehend what RaenRyong is talking about. Its also obvious that you don't understand game mechanics by not using macros.

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when did i say i dont use macros? i just dont macro gear and still win you mey think that makes it harder but i dont really care i was never a gear person more so just like to play the gme to see what i can do i dont invest much into ffxi and if game were up id be doing these things but since it not im here with all you wonderful people

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Originally Posted by Krystal

lucky or a liar eh? heh....gotta love all the attacks on my creditability...they make my reasoning for posts even more worthwhile....the fact people are now attacking my creditability proves i just scared the crap out of them with my post and they are ticked i lured them in so easily....brains over brawn...gotta love it! <3 so keep attacking my creditability...your just enforcing my point and encouraging more to speak their mind who are against abyssea's current cap and dyna.^^

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Well, you're right. I have had the crap scared out of me with your posts because I'm worried that you're so loud and vocal that the developers might wrongly believe that most people agree with you and your ideas are good, when both are not true.

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Originally Posted by Icestein

He used hypothetical reasoning, but clearly you're not well up on your critical thinking skills. He used this hypothetical scenario to draw attention to the fact that gear, which is interchangeable in this scenario with the natural stat bonuses you gain through leveling, improves the rate at which you kill something. It's an extreme example, but it can be scaled down to two level 90s, one naked except weapons and one with a variety of gear for each situation. If these two are identical in every way except gear than I don't see how you can claim that both would be equal, one would have higher stats and therefore be hitting harder, better, faster and stronger.

Our work is never over.

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hypothetical he was talking about killing something level 5 how in the world does that pertain to anything needing to be soloed? i see his post made you a little less smart

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

when did i say i dont use macros? i just dont macro gear and still win you mey think that makes it harder but i dont really care i was never a gear person more so just like to play the gme to see what i can do i dont invest much into ffxi and if game were up id be doing these things but since it not im here with all you wonderful people

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Why on earth wouldn't you macro gear swaps? You'd be much more efficient if you used gear swaps. It seems kind of silly to not macro gear swaps in a game that basically encourages gear swapping because of all the side-grades and situational gear.

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

when did i say i dont use macros? i just dont macro gear and still win you mey think that makes it harder but i dont really care i was never a gear person more so just like to play the gme to see what i can do i dont invest much into ffxi and if game were up id be doing these things but since it not im here with all you wonderful people

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gear macros were implied... you don't need to understand much about the game to hit a /ja macro....

But knowing that certain gear increases the capabilities of certain actions, while hindering others does show some intellect.

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Originally Posted by Krystal

lucky or a liar eh? heh....gotta love all the attacks on my creditability...they make my reasoning for posts even more worthwhile....the fact people are now attacking my creditability proves i just scared the crap out of them with my post and they are ticked i lured them in so easily....brains over brawn...gotta love it! <3 so keep attacking my creditability...your just enforcing my point and encouraging more to speak their mind who are against abyssea's current cap and dyna.^^

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Yeah, so far your extremely cunning manipulations have caused a grand total of ... how many people to speak out?

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Originally Posted by HFX7686

Well, you're right. I have had the crap scared out of me with your posts because I'm worried that you're so loud and vocal that the developers might believe that most people agree with you and your ideas are good.

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Fixed. hehe

again i will dumb it down for those who think gear swapping is "the bees knees" you go and kill something with all of your gear swapping something high level lets not pick on level 5's did we all see that we arent killing level 5 things ok then i will kill the same thing that you did again this is something waaaay higher than a level 5.did we read all of that. i respect your playstyle of swapping gear for every macro u have me personally i dont do it as much as you but i do with staves sometimes when i feel like it and for other functions but to me it is not a "must"

Man, she's playing us so well.

EDIT: And since you can't get it, explicitly what I'm saying without any of the subtleties which people have mentioned is

you're implying as long as two people can kill a specific thing, the "how" is irrelevant

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Originally Posted by Krystal

Fixed. hehe

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Please don't misquote me or I'll report you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!!11111

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

Yeah, so far your extremely cunning manipulations have caused a grand total of ... how many people to speak out?

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don't happen over night. unlike most..i think ahead....gonna make another thread sooner or later when people are awake on this side of the world...XD

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

hypothetical he was talking about killing something level 5 how in the world does that pertain to anything needing to be soloed? i see his post made you a little less smart

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IT WAS A HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO. He was using your rhetoric to show a flaw in your own reasoning, by comparing it to a similar, albeit exaggerated, scenario.

You can also solo a level 5 mob, but that's just me being pedantic.

I would really like to know how you know that you are with the majority?

The majority don't involve themselves with stupid bs like this.
Did you poll everyone that plays ffxi? Are you telepathic? or did you just eyeball it?

the most SE will say from the result of this thread is a

"there are currently no plans on raising the level requirement"

means no~

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

again i will dumb it down for those who think gear swapping is "the bees knees" you go and kill something with all of your gear swapping something high level lets not pick on level 5's did we all see that we arent killing level 5 things ok then i will kill the same thing that you did again this is something waaaay higher than a level 5.did we read all of that. i respect your playstyle of swapping gear for every macro u have me personally i dont do it as much as you but i do with staves sometimes when i feel like it and for other functions but to me it is not a "must"

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But what about the things you can't kill solo unless you do use gear macros?

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

Yeah, so far your extremely cunning manipulations have caused a grand total of ... how many people to speak out?

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this one i like

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

again i will dumb it down for those who think gear swapping is "the bees knees" you go and kill something with all of your gear swapping something high level lets not pick on level 5's did we all see that we arent killing level 5 things ok then i will kill the same thing that you did again this is something waaaay higher than a level 5.did we read all of that. i respect your playstyle of swapping gear for every macro u have me personally i dont do it as much as you but i do with staves sometimes when i feel like it and for other functions but to me it is not a "must"

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I would really, really love to reply to you but it's very difficult to read your post due to a severe lack of punctuation.

I will try though.

You aren't required to swap gear if you don't want to, but please don't advocate it as a good style of game play. Not swapping gear is not efficient. Everything you do will be slower and longer. Just stop saying it's a good way to play then we won't care anymore.

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Originally Posted by Nepharite

But what about the things you can't kill solo unless you do use gear macros?

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havent come into things i cant kill really and i can dual box box it if i cant solo it

with the last 9 lvls to 99 that would be over 432,000 xp and i have no desire to grind that like the "good ole days" been there done that, get my maxed on my lvl so i can do more interesting things.

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

havent come into things i cant kill really and i can dual box box it if i cant solo it

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Well I guess if you don't macro gear and are not a gear person, you aren't fighting anything beyond mediocre difficulty.

But your style of play is far from efficient or good. Its what some would call just getting by.

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Originally Posted by HFX7686

I would really, really love to reply to you but it's very difficult to read your post due to a severe lack of punctuation.

I will try though.

You aren't required to swap gear if you don't want to, but please don't advocate it as a good style of game play. Not swapping gear is not efficient. Everything you do will be slower and longer. Just stop saying it's a good way to play then we won't care anymore.

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Just like all opinion based things its good for me because i dont carry alot of gear and never really feel like building eccentric macros for said gear and again i still win what works for me may not work for you which i understand this game is to me a game if i cant do it myself i put up the bat signal to my LS they are never mad that i dont swap gear. oh and i put as much effort into punctuation as i do gear swapping :P