Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[HFX7686]

HOLY CRAP. 17 flames in the time it took me to write this post. You people need to chill before this thread gets locked too.

Obviously we need to get the 'Minimize Downtime' thread unlocked and point out that they need to minimize downtime so people will be playing, not arguing on the forum.

[HFX7686]

Are you saying that out of all of these "great deal" of people, nobody has once thought - even once - to shout in Jeuno to see if somebody wants to start a party? According to you, it's "not a matter of people not wanting to party outside of it" and it's simply that they "can't find any" - so if you shout to create one, you should have people flooding in, no?

I think I shall try this when the servers are back up (if I remember). Just to see for my own eyes.

I'll probably get laughed out of Port Jeuno.

[viion]

Step 1) Look up the job on FFXIclopedia. Read about the job, and ask questions on forums for any clarification you need.

Step 2) Use FFXIAH's gear set creator to put together what gear you want to use.

Step 3) Gather the gear.

Step 4) Spend an hour making macros.

Step 5) Cap your skills.

Step 6) Use the job, and be better than the sea of full Perle/Aurore/Teal players. Develop reflexes over a week or two of endgame play.

Step 7) The Old Way player who started the job at the same time as you is still in Wajaom Woodlands killing birds.

^ this, its not hard to learn a job in XI, it can be hard to learn how to do an event a specific way, but all there is, is abyssea as far as i know so its not like you need to learn a bunch of different events. Playing your class can be easily learned, following the steps set above.

[Icestein]

you obviously never seen me solo

It's an undeniable fact, if you swap in evasion/Haste hybrid between Ichi casts you'd be evading less attacks, making your soloing more easy.

You're doing a great disservice to the people who made this game, there's a massive mathematical and complicated element to this game that the developers tried to use. There's formula's for everything. The game is so much more complex than you're letting on, and I'm glad. On top of that, the game is so much better for it, I have more goals, I want to attain gear that is best in x situation and also attain the gear that may be better in Y situation. It adds a new paradigm to the game and makes my goals much wider than they'd otherwise be.

[Krystal]

Just like pre abyssea? Do you not remember the hours some people would wait for a pt invite?

i don't know about you but with pre-abyssea depending on the job i would get a party invite roughly 10-30 minuets after putting my flag up.

[RaenRyong]

wow you missed the whole point didnt you who was talking about anything at lvl 5 your brain is still lvl 5 of course im talking something tougher. you know what i should solo on lvl 1brd/drg

You were using as your anti-gear swap example that you are capable of killing some unnamed monsters without gear swaps, just as people with gearswaps are able to kill this same monster. By implication, you are suggesting that gearswapping provides no actual benefit because the end result is the same - victory.

I am using as my anti... ... well, anti-your example that I am capable of killing something without being level 90, just as people at level 90 are able to kill the same monster. I state that this shows that levelling up provides no actual benefit because the end result is the same - victory.

Obviously, my example is thoroughly absurd and is constructed to be ridiculous. I feel it is also ridiculous to claim that not gear swapping - playing as a hybrid - is as effective as gearswapping. Simple logic suggests that specialisation > hybridisation when there is no opportunity cost involved in specialisation.

[HFX7686]

It's an undeniable fact, if you swap in evasion/Haste hybrid between Ichi casts you'd be evading less attacks, making your soloing more easy.

You're doing a great disservice to the people who made this game, there's a massive mathematical and complicated element to this game that the developers tried to use. There's formula's for everything. The game is so much more complex than you're letting on, and I'm glad. On top of that, the game is so much better for it, I have more goals, I want to attain gear that is best in x situation and also attain the gear that may be better in Y situation. It adds a new paradigm to the game and makes my goals much wider than they'd otherwise be.

Seconded for emphasis. This is an excellent post. You are a sensible fellow.

[Nepharite]

i don't know about you but with pre-abyssea depending on the job i would get a party invite roughly 10-30 minuets after putting my flag up.

they key thing you said was "depending on the job"

I never had issues with getting parties or making them.
The majority of the people that are QQ'ing over abyssea do have problems getting pts or making them.

[Icestein]

i don't know about you but with pre-abyssea depending on the job i would get a party invite roughly 10-30 minuets after putting my flag up.

You're either lucky or a liar. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Good luck making a party without a brd, a healer, and if there's more efficient DDs looking then I'm sorry but you'll be seeking for a while.

You're basing this idea that people will be looking for parties so much more if Abyssea leeching dies. They won't. I won't be leveling any new jobs if it reverts back to the old days, because I'd much rather be working on the level 90 content.

[Nepharite]

You're either lucky or a liar. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Good luck making a party without a brd, a healer, and if there's more efficient DDs looking then I'm sorry but you'll be seeking for a while.

You're basing this idea that people will be looking for parties so much more if Abyssea leeching dies. They won't. I won't be leveling any new jobs if it reverts back to the old days, because I'd much rather be working on the level 90 content.

pretty much this, I won't be joining any new low level exp pts, its too easy to solo/lowman/cb
its a lot better than putting up with people who will be gimp and actually impacting your pt a lot more than an abyssea pt.