Raise the Minimum Requirement for entering Abyssea to Lv70 or 75

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Originally Posted by Akujima

I see no reason to post further, in this thread or any other.

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U mad?

Seriously stop posting none of us care what you have to say.

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Originally Posted by Myrrh

WHAT DID I JUST READ!?

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It's a new terrorist tactic designed to induce aneurysms in innocent forum users.

I just...I can't believe anyone believes getting xp from ops is cheating...my head is going to explode...

almost 500 posts spanning nearly 50 pages of the same thing over and over and over and over and over.

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Originally Posted by Akujima

I see no reason to post further, in this thread or any other.

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If only.

Anywho, that's what you said in the shuriken thread. I give you a week tops.

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Originally Posted by Kensagaku

If only.

Anywho, that's what you said in the shuriken thread. I give you a week tops.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

wait, wait, wait, did Panthera REALLY just say if you get exp from a quest in abyssea from 30-75, THATS CHEATING?

So I guess SE should disable getting any exp from quests in abyssea too between 30-75?

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Originally Posted by Kimble

so I guess doing Streetsweeper or the like campaign ops below 75 is cheating as well?

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At the risk of hyperbole, but yes, if any quest in the game at all gives points to a combat stat system for non combat activities, they are cheating. They are not against the rules, but it's cheating by other defintions, which I've explained repeatedly and thoroughly..

No, Sandsweeper Dominion Op is fine if said combatant is really, you know, a combatant, actively battling a mob that can nearly wipe out the entire alliance with one move. If someone is questing said Op or other Ops of that strain, but all they're doing is keying inert chests which pose no threat to anyone of any level, then that's getting points for a combat stat system with participating in combat.

Boy panthera you have no clue what he was talking about do you. Still didn't say anything on scroll quest.

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

@Panthera: Your argument is terrible because it relies on your own arbitrary definitions of "wrong" and "cheating", when from the perspective of the game, leeching or fast exping is neither.

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Sir, with all due respect, you don't know what "arbitrary" means, and they aren't "my" definitions of the word "cheating."

You are correct though in that "from the perspective of the game" they aren't cheating, if you say that to mean, against SE's TOS. I never said it was cheating from that perspective.

Panthera, you are a classic Scrub. Read the article, become enlightened, change your life.

If something isn't against the TOS, it isn't cheating. Per. I. Od.

So what panthera is saying all exp from exp scroll quest to camp. ops that all you got to do is run around hitting ???s is cheating gothca. Thats what your logic is implying, even though SE added those in the game as intended. No qustion as to what they are.

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Originally Posted by Akujima

This minority that people speak of, is not as small as everyone thinks.

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if it was not as small as everyone thinks you would have no issue doing pt outside aby and then wouldn't start this thread!

@panthera
- I unlocked avatar for my smn (lvl10) doing 75 fights with another job: is my smn cheated because he can summon avatar he didnt fought to unlock?
- I have beaten maat with a single job: are all my others 71+ job cheated?
- I use my 'best for xp job" to get merit I spend on other jobs, are all my others jobs cheated because I didnt get their merit playing them?

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Originally Posted by hiko

if it was not as small as everyone thinks you would have no issue doing pt outside aby and then wouldn't start this thread!

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Soo true lol
Most of us dont want to be limited from playing a game. We like having choices to leach or not to leach.
Most of us choose to leach because we later tend to enjoy the jobs better once we put time skilling up and learning job as we play through the contents. Some of us play the game differently than others. But having to limit what lvl to enter abyssea to prevent leaching wont satisfy anyone.

If you are against leaching then dont do it. But if you are with it then by all means go for it.
Play the game how you want it and how you enjoy it.
But don't prevent other people from enjoying their game by limiting them on having that option.
Just cause you dont like it doesn't mean others shouldn't either.

I leached 7 jobs to lvl68 just now and Im putting my sweet time learning them from lvl68 and skilling up.
I'm having a good time because I dont have to start from lvl30 or below. I can start from lvl68 and have most of the abilities my job has and start figuring out how to put each ability to use. I enjoy having access and being able to figure things out as I go along and not being limited in not having an "Option".

Some people might leach from lvl30-90 and might enjoy learning their jobs starting at lvl90 and skilling up and gearing up with contents. Some don't. This is the option abyssea gave us, sure it creates a lot of people who dont know how to play at their current lvl, but it doesnt take a rocket scientist to learn the mechanics and it doesnt take MONTHS or YEARS to be good either. It only takes a few days to get a good grasp on how to play and cap skill ups.
But remember, Everyone has different learning curves and have different pace. So don't expect people to be EPICLY GOD LIKE ELITES just because they are high lvls or some crap.

"Im paying to play the game the way I enjoy it just like everyone else is,
I'm not paying to play the game for You."

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Originally Posted by Aliekber

Panthera, you are a classic Scrub. Read the article, become enlightened, change your life.

If something isn't against the TOS, it isn't cheating. Per. I. Od.

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Article read, interesting stuff. Now, these might already exist, I really couldn't be bothered to read that website in its entirety, nor am I obligated to, but here are some terms of my own. This time, I really am making up both a term and a definition.

The Technically, It's Not cheating Guy (noun) abrev: TING

Ting is a stickler for rules. He knows them all by heart.

Ting is fond of Warp Whistles, and codes that are an inherenant part of the game. He never calls them "cheat codes," to him they're just "codes." Ting claims to have beaten many games, but without disclosing that he either warped through as many levels as the game allows, or was in God Mode the entire time. When asked about it, he says,"Yes, but Technically, That's Not Cheating." And despite how many games Ting has beaten many games, few respect him for it. Ting calls his critics "Scrubs."


The It's not really Cheating Guy. (noun) abrev: IRG

Irg knows the rules, follows some, but not others.

Irg uses TParty to see party member's TP. Irg knows this is against the rules, but uses it anyway. He reasons that since you can already see party members HP and MP anyway, he really doesn't see the difference between automatically seeing one but not the other. So he figures that while it's technically cheating, it isn't really cheating. What he intuitively understands is that it doesn't violate the spirit of the game; really means essentially, what it is about, what defines it in an abstract sense.

The It's My Account, Do Whatever the @#$% Want Guy (noun) abrev: JERK

It isn't known whether this guy knows the rule or not. What is known is that he's broken every single one.

He's RMT'd multiple accounts. He's RMT'd Relics for RMT accounts. He's fish-botted, and uses third party A.I. tools for exping purposes. He Salvage dup'd every single armor set. He's MPK'd by every known and some currently unknown means. He hasn't been able to play recently, because he's on trial... for everything, and no one will miss this jerk.

The PlayStation Two Fanatic (noun) abbreviation: none, because abbreviating is cheating!

He knows every rule, word for word, and recites them before he goes to bed. He's not a PS2 fanatic because he thinks it holds the game back, but exactly the opposite: He thinks everyone should play on PS2 so no one can have unfair advantages that they shouldn't have. He's never taken a teleporter, airship, or chocobo; he's walked everywhere. Not run, walked--in full Dusk Armor. He won't join level sync parties because that's not fighting at the intended level. He exps on Soulflayers on War/Mnk, because /Ninja is cheating. He thinks Puppetmaster is overpowered. If he's doing well against a mob, he removes armor to make the fight fair, or uses a Venom Potion on himself, or both. He's sworn his eternal allegiance to San'd Oria, and has yet to and never will beat Windurst or Bastok missions. He wishes people would stop focusing on later game events like "Limbus" so they can focus on what matters: Expeditionary Force!

What does any of that have to do with your skewed views about Abyssea?

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Originally Posted by hiko

@panthera
- I unlocked avatar for my smn (lvl10) doing 75 fights with another job: is my smn cheated because he can summon avatar he didnt fought to unlock?

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Good question! Yes. Here's why:...

You shouldn't be able to get Katana Skillups when weilding a Polearm, that makes no sense, that's not how it works, and rightly so.

Take Blue Mage for example. An inherant part of the job is that you must learn Blue Magic while on Blue Mage. Should you be able to learn it on Scholar? Blue mage spells are applicable to blue mage and only Blue Mage, so no, not on Scholar. I think you should be able to learn blue mage spells as /blue as long as a blue main could too at the same level, that makes sense.

Similarly, Summoner spells are specific to Summoner. You must beat the Primes on Summoner, which only makes sense. The other option doesn't make sense. It "cheats" the spirit of the job. As long as you beat the Prime on another job by participating in the fight, instead of just leeching on your friends, at least that's something. But why not learn Blue Magic fishing up Nebimonites? The Prime fights are more or less difficult; it's solo, and only at level 30, and only with Carby; you learn the spell for yourself. It's an accomplishment on some level. At level 75 with 5 other friends, not so much.

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Originally Posted by hiko

- I have beaten maat with a single job: are all my others 71+ job cheated?

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Your character is restricted to level until he beats his the limit break. It's about the journey of the character, in a more general sense, than a job specific sense. In the original FF, all the characters go through the same Ordeal at the same time, they weren't job specific. I've beaten him on every job; that too is the journey of the character. Similarly, Chocobo quest and mission ranks are about the character, not specific jobs.

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Originally Posted by hiko

- I use my 'best for xp job" to get merit I spend on other jobs, are all my others jobs cheated because I didnt get their merit playing them?

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Good question! The stats and skills are tied to the character, and shared across jobs. So that's fine. They really should make it so that you can't just get a ton of merits on "princess jobs" so you can use them on other jobs, it actually doesn't make sense. In many FF games, if you wanted to level up a certain job and get all of its abilities, you had to play that job. That some games had more flexible design (FFXIII for example) had their advantages, they were less true to the spirit.

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Originally Posted by Akujima

@Panthera: I've no idea why you continue to debate against these people.

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Why? Because I enjoy it.

Or I wouldn't be doing it. If I find it rewarding, I'll keep doing it. You yourself don't have to continue if you do not wish to, that's your decision, not mine, just as my continuing is my decision and not yours, my friend.

By the volume of what I've written here, and by the effort I put into each post, I simply enjoy writing--and being read, and this gives a format to do so. Also, I enjoy a spirited debate, which this certainly has been, and remains. Everyone has the right to to their own opinions, and to express those opinions. However, not all posts really advance the discussion. I am being more picky-and-choosey about what I'm replying to, just because some are rehashing points that have already been made and addressed. They might be better written, but it's been done. If I do reply, it might be more just to advance or clarify my own position rather that keep it where it remains.

There are some people who have good points, and they deserve replies, so I do. I just accept trolls as a part of it and deal with them appropriately. In other words, haters gonna hate.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

SE nerfed afk buff spam soon after it was found. Abyssea been out out a year, if they thought it was cheating then they would have done something bout it. Instead they add another way to leech.

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SE has a lot on their plate. They had to for example, do all the work entailed in the last patch for example. There are no overnight fixes. That they haven't adjusted yet doesn't mean they don't intend to. That just isn't logical.

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Originally Posted by HFX7686

Not true. It's always been possible to leech characters. I used to do it on evil weapons in sky and on colibri at the bird camp. Just barely anyone did because they thought 45-60 exp a kill was bad, while forgetting to realise that level 75 parties kill a lot faster. That's why this debate now surprises me. It's always been possible to leech but no one ever cared before.

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In sky, the exp is in many ways incidental. The goal was to pop Despot, or farm something. Getting exp was a bonus. This of course does't apply to Weapon parties, where that was the best exp you could get, and that's why you were doing it.

Now, if someone went afk in a Colibri party, people have complained, and I kicked them. People cared about being leeched off of, and it is cared about now, too.

@Akujima

I don't think that leeching is necessarally by design. SE does not intend everything that comes up, and while some things are addressed quickly, other things take more time, so that they haven't done anything about it yet doesn't mean they don't intend to.

There's no way Salvage Dups were by design. AFB was an emergent property of level sync, and was not something they came up with; players discovered it. Beastmaster MPK wasn't something SE intended, and again, wasn't resolved overnight. I don't think it's fair to say it was by intent, or that it would have been resolved by now.

Leeching is not against TOS, the rules of FFXI. It is not cheating in that sense It is however by other meanings of the word "cheating." I contend that SE knows that people leech in AFB, and it's not against the rules, so it's not cheating in that sense. Even should SE never fix leeching, it will still be cheating by other definitions.

"If you don't like it, you're entitled to your opinion. But at the same time, we're entitled to ours as well, so please respect that," -Akujima

I do respect others' right to have and express your own views. I just don't agree with those views, and I have the right to have and express my opposition view.

"If you don't want to leech, no one's forcing you to or tying you down," -Akujima

That's just it! People are forced to cheat. Someone must be keymaster by design, and most people can't engage in combat while fooling about with chest GUI. so someone must cheat, whether they want to or not.

"Every now and then I shout for an outside party because I don't feel like keying or I don't feel like farming cruor for keys so I can keyleech, and I rarely if ever have problems forming one." -Akujima

And there again, does anyone really want to open chests just for its own sake? Is it so stimulating? I think people would rather play their jobs. That's why they're trying to level them.

"There are likely plenty of people who are willing to EXP outside of Abyssea. Just gotta be patient, is all.

Sentence totally fell apart in that edit. :P"-Akujima

It happens to the best of us <3 Thanks for your reply:D

If you had bothered to read my post multiple pages ago you would have seen my supposition that SE most definitely accounted for all forms of leeching when creating the Abyssea exp system. In fact, it is my belief that the entire system was designed around Leeching (though not always the strict level 30 leeching you're referring to).

But I bet you have me on ignore so whatever.

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Originally Posted by Rie

What does any of that have to do with your skewed views about Abyssea?

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I thought that was clear, but I'll explain it.

People who do-nothing leech or keymaster leech are Tings.
People who are actually fight, but use various "enhancements" (that aren't flee or POS hacking etc) are Irgs.
People who insist on fighting crabs in 2011 are PS2 Fanatics. It's OK to Party in Abyssea, just don't leech.
People who flee hack while to get to chests as fast as humanly possible as keymasters are jerks, violating both the rules and the spirit of the event.

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Originally Posted by Panthera

I thought that was clear, but I'll explain it.

People who do-nothing leech or keymaster leech are Tings.
People who are actually fight, but use various "enhancements" (that aren't flee or POS hacking etc) are Irgs.
People who insist on fighting crabs in 2011 are PS2 Fanatics. It's OK to Party in Abyssea, just don't leech.
People who flee hack while to get to chests as fast as humanly possible as keymasters are jerks, violating both the rules and the spirit of the event.

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... what did I just read?

7 Posts, 6 of which were Panthera's. He's taking the new Medallion system to heart.

Clear as mud.

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Originally Posted by Panthera

Sir, with all due respect, you don't know what "arbitrary" means, and they aren't "my" definitions of the word "cheating."

You are correct though in that "from the perspective of the game" they aren't cheating, if you say that to mean, against SE's TOS. I never said it was cheating from that perspective.

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ar·bi·trar·y/ˈärbiˌtrerē/Adjective
1. Based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.

Seems pretty accurate?

You are just making up your own definitions. In fact, I shall do the same. It is cheating if you don't exp by leeching in Abyssea because you are not using SE's system of leeching to generate fast exp. Therefore, you are a cheater.

Panthera loves to be intentionally obtuse so he can avoid all the real arguments and scream about how everything in this game that doesn't fit his own skewed worldview is cheating.

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Originally Posted by HFX7686

Not true. It's always been possible to leech characters. I used to do it on evil weapons in sky and on colibri at the bird camp. Just barely anyone did because they thought 45-60 exp a kill was bad, while forgetting to realise that level 75 parties kill a lot faster. That's why this debate now surprises me. It's always been possible to leech but no one ever cared before.

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In sky, the exp is in many ways incidental. The goal was to pop Despot, or farm something. Getting exp was a bonus. This of course does't apply to Weapon parties, where that was the best exp you could get, and that's why you were doing it.

Now, if someone went afk in a Colibri party, people have complained, and I kicked them. People cared about being leeched off of, and it is cared about now, too.

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What has that got to do with anything?

I said that leeching exp has been around for a long time and that low level characters could always get exp in a higher level party. Nothing about the how or why or going AFK.

You have some very arbitrary rules about cheating and leeching and how people are supposed to play the game. It makes me believe you are not just a great troll, but the greatest troll ever.

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Originally Posted by Panthera

Similarly, Summoner spells are specific to Summoner. You must beat the Primes on Summoner, which only makes sense. The other option doesn't make sense. It "cheats" the spirit of the job. As long as you beat the Prime on another job by participating in the fight, instead of just leeching on your friends, at least that's something. But why not learn Blue Magic fishing up Nebimonites? The Prime fights are more or less difficult; it's solo, and only at level 30, and only with Carby; you learn the spell for yourself. It's an accomplishment on some level. At level 75 with 5 other friends, not so much.

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The mini trial avatar fights are capped at level 20. And how about me soloing the majority of the level 60+ avatar fights as 75nin/rdm - not for any of the other rewards but for the ability to summon those avatars. My smn at the time was below level 10, it's such a long time ago I can't even recall the exact level. Did I cheat then? I soloed, I didn't leech, but not as smn. I guess I did cheat huh? I'm sure SE fully intended and expected every summoner to level to at least 60 with only Carby and elemental summons before the mini trials were introduced to the game. Right? Strange how you can actually do those fights on any job then...

I hope everything you claim to be cheating and not cheating, makes sense in your head at least, because I'm quite sure it doesn't make much sense to the majority of the people you're responding to.

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

ar·bi·trar·y/ˈärbiˌtrerē/Adjective
1. Based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system
Seems pretty accurate?.

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No. You still don't know what arbitrary means. Let me give you an example.

If we're taking the operative word to be "random", then that's could be a coin-toss; no real reason, one is just as good as the other. I did not pick up a coin to decide what the word cheating means.

If we're taking the operative word to be on a "whim," impulsive or irrational thinking, I in no way suddenly decided what the word "cheating" means. I'm using pre-existing terminology.

I will be unable to continue our dialogue further, RaenRyong. I'm sorry.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

7 Posts, 6 of which were Panthera's. He's taking the new Medallion system to heart.

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If someone has a worthwhile question or comment, particularly when they're directed at me, do you not think that a reply is appropriate?

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Originally Posted by Panthera

If we're taking the operative word to be on a "whim," impulsive or irrational thinking, I in no way suddenly decided what the word "cheating" means. I'm using pre-existing terminology.

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it's not ok for me to use the "f" word because of it's pre-existing terminology. It is irrational to a tea.



Also, I expect a lvl 90 smn to know the lvl caps for the solo fights are 20. You are a cheater because you are dishonest against my expectations.

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If someone has a worthwhile question or comment, particularly when they're directed at me, do you not think that a reply is appropriate?

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...that's why there's a multi-quote button...

Panthera you still haven't said anything on EXP scroll quest or street sweeper. Also BS SE has had a @#$%ing year to fix leeching in abyssea so all your points are flawed.

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Originally Posted by Panthera

No. You still don't know what arbitrary means. Let me give you an example.

If we're taking the operative word to be "random", then that's could be a coin-toss; no real reason, one is just as good as the other. I did not pick up a coin to decide what the word cheating means.

If we're taking the operative word to be on a "whim," impulsive or irrational thinking, I in no way suddenly decided what the word "cheating" means. I'm using pre-existing terminology.

I will be unable to continue our dialogue further, RaenRyong. I'm sorry.

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No, you are making this definition on a personal whim because nobody else except lolAkujima possibly agrees with your incredibly irrational definition of cheating. You're using pre-existing terminology unique only to you. It is the definition of arbitrary.

By the way, you are a horrible cheater.

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Originally Posted by Panthera

If we're taking the operative word to be on a "whim," impulsive or irrational thinking, I in no way suddenly decided what the word "cheating" means. I'm using pre-existing terminology.

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What pre-existing terminology? Everything you claim to be cheating has not ever been claimed by SE to be cheating. There is no pre-existence going on here, you're just pulling arbitrary stuff out of your head.

Was it cheating when you collected the flutes in SMB3 to skip past levels? Even though it was designed and put into the game for different players to enjoy different styles of play? Just wondering?

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

The mini trial avatar fights are capped at level 20.

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I stand corrected, but that really wasn't the essence of the point I was making.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

And how about me soloing the majority of the level 60+ avatar fights as 75nin/rdm - not for any of the other rewards but for the ability to summon those avatars. My smn at the time was below level 10, it's such a long time ago I can't even recall the exact level. Did I cheat then? I soloed, I didn't leech, but not as smn. I guess I did cheat huh? I'm sure SE fully intended and expected every summoner to level to at least 60 with only Carby and elemental summons before the mini trials were introduced to the game. Right? Strange how you can actually do those fights on any job then...

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Yes. It is strange that they essentially allow you to learn a spell on a job when you aren't playing it. It's fine if you want to fight Ifrit to get his sword on any job, but learning spells are job specific, or shared across a few jobs. SE should have had us do the level 20 cap fights in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

I hope everything you claim to be cheating and not cheating, makes sense in your head at least, because I'm quite sure it doesn't make much sense to the majority of the people you're responding to.

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I am in fact quite convinced that it doesn't make sense to some, but by no means all of them. Someone just looked up arbitrary, and still doesn't understand what arbitrary is.

Similarly, many of the reasons that people give for how leeching isn't cheating, while I understand them, I do not find logically coherent, nor particularly morally informed. Notice I say the reasons, not the people. It isn't personal.

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Originally Posted by Panthera

I am in fact quite convinced that it doesn't make sense to some, but by no means all of them. Someone just looked up arbitrary, and still doesn't understand what arbitrary is.

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Protip: Raen isn't the one who doesn't understand what arbitrary means.

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Originally Posted by Panthera

I am in fact quite convinced that it doesn't make sense to some, but by no means all of them. Someone just looked up arbitrary, and still doesn't understand what arbitrary is.

Similarly, many of the reasons that people give for how leeching isn't cheating, while I understand them, I do not find logically coherent, nor particularly morally informed. Notice I say the reasons, not the people. It isn't personal.

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I do not understand what part of "SE implemented this mechanic of leveling a job from level 30 and up in an alliance of all levels a year ago and has not changed it nor commented on it as cheating" is illogical or immoral.

Also, I think it is quite clearly yourself who is failing to understand the meaning of arbitrary.

Sigh.

arbitrary
–adjective
1. subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion: an arbitrary decision.
2. decided by a judge or arbiter rather than by a law or statute.
3. having unlimited power; uncontrolled or unrestricted by law; despotic; tyrannical: an arbitrary government.

The use in question is #1. No "impulsive or irrational" anywhere near there.

The levelling system is this:
1-a) Get xp.
1-b) XP can be lost if you die.
2-a) Level up when a certain amount of xp is obtained and your level is below your level cap.
2-b) Do not level up if your current level is equal to your level cap.

Any restrictions you choose to place on it are arbitrary restrictions, and cannot be used to define cheating as you are doing.

There is nothing stating how you HAVE to gain the xp. Scrolls have been in the game since the US release (I have no idea if eco warrior was there at the JP release). The purpose of these scrolls is that they provide valuable insight on the world, combat, politics, whatever that your character learns when reading them. They have a job level requirement to ensure that your character is experienced enough to understand the insights on the scroll.

If SE wanted you to be forced to use Dominion Op xp on the job that "did the work", they could have done so. The precedent is there with campaign ops; once you meet the objective, you get the xp, and AN are given on reporting back.

While Campaign Ops are mentioned, many, like Vanguard-X, Crimson Domino, Bridge Too Far, Street Sweeper, Steel Resolve, Magna Cache, Crystal Fist, Iron Anvil, Hawkeye, Slaughterhouse, Prying Eyes, and Cut And Cauterize do not have any combat involved. Crimson Domino sometimes even expressly forbids you to fight anything, while giving you a direct path with no aggro in some zones. Taking part in these is not cheating the leveling system.

Stock and Awe and Materiel Storm can have combat if you farm the requested items, but the NPC says he doesn't care if you farm them or buy them off others, just bring them to him. The point is to have the items available for crafting for the war effort, not how you get them. For those two ops, its always items that can be bought on the AH, usually crafting materials.

Hazardous Materials gives you a Silence, Amnesia, and Gravity effect, so it is more about avoiding combat. Bailey Borer can be done only attacking the Fortilace, while being out of aggro range of anything that will fight back.

Offensive ops, defensive ops, Frozen flame, Deep Cover, Brave Dawn, and Delta Strike are the only ones that definitely involve combat.

Keymasters are contributing; It boosts the time remaining, lights, xp, cruor, temp items, lootpool items, and key item supply of the alliance. You can't claim that buying keys using cruor obtained on another jobs is dishonest, because cruor is the gil of abyssea. It is their money, which is tied to the character, not the job. To claim otherwise is equivalent to claiming that gil earned should only be spendable on the job which earned it.

Xp per kill scales to level, dominion ops scale to level (below 75), and boxes do not scale. If you think the way you can get xp in abyssea is not working as intended, file a bug report here (link).

On the issue of uncapped primes avatar fights vs 20 cap prime avatar fights:
In ye olde days, there were no lv 20 cap fights. The only way to flag the fights was to nearly cap fame in the zone (instead of lv 2 or 3, whatever it is for the mini fights). Back in those days, the avatar fights were considered hard; wipes with a full party of 75 were not that uncommon. Summoners complained that it was too hard to get their summons that way, especially if they were trying to level smn as their first main job--they were not high enough level to do the fights, did not have the gil to buy a spot, and were considered gimps with only carbuncle and spirits. To solve this, the mini fights were added, which allowed summoners to do a solo version of the fight at lv 20, with the sole reward being the ability to form a pact with the avatar. I happened to have all 6 prime avatars before the mini-fights were available; that does not mean that I took the easy way out or cheated. You don't "learn a spell" when getting a new summon, you make an agreement with the being to be summoned. The ability to call the agreement into effect requires the summoner job. Spirit pacts are slightly different in that you use a scroll rather than meet with the being in question. As such, they scrolls can only be used by summoners.